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Why Are All The Conservatives Who Wanted To Secede Because The American People Chose President Obama (again) still here?

ProudProgressive 2013/01/07 23:44:19
Once it was clear that President Obama had won a resounding victory in his re-election bid, Conservatives all across the nation started petitions to secede from the United States. Of course, as anyone familiar with the Constitution or American History knows, secession is unconstitutional, and in addition, the most popular of these petitions, in Texas, managed to get less than 1% of the state's population to sign their petition (and that doesn't even take into account that at least half the signatures are either sock puppets or people who don't even live in Texas).

So why are they still here? If the re-election of President Obama was such a catastrophic disaster, why have they not already left for someplace that is more to their tastes? It's only thirteen days until the President's second term begins, so you would think they would be packing up the winnebagos and heading for the border.
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  • C. C. Rider 2013/01/08 00:46:55 (edited)
    C. C. Rider
    +34
    Ya, why are they still here? and shouldn't ole nutball pedophile Ted Nugent be in jail by now or dead? and RUSH should have left America by now too. LMAO Cons,,,all hot air and lies.



    ted nuegent dead or in jail rush limbaugh leaving americe if obama wins

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  • nothingbutthetruth 2013/01/10 04:40:56
    nothingbutthetruth
    +1
    Because they know it won't get any better than what they have, "The American Dream!"
  • Kookieless The Sexy Nihilis... 2013/01/09 22:37:19
  • Commenting_one 2013/01/09 11:16:11
    Commenting_one
    +2
    Their planet of choice isn't move-in ready yet...
  • Wohuz 2013/01/09 10:05:21
    Wohuz
    +3
    They don't leave because they know how good they have it, they just don't want to admit it.
  • Comment... Wohuz 2013/01/09 11:17:13
    Commenting_one
    +3
    All talk and no action?
  • A Founding Father 2013/01/09 07:10:12
    A Founding Father
    +3
    I've posted three offers to help them leave or relocate to a more hospitable place, but so far not one has contacted me seeking assistance.
  • Comment... A Found... 2013/01/09 11:23:46 (edited)
    Commenting_one
    +3
    It looks like their ride is ready to go...

    UFO
  • A Found... Comment... 2013/01/09 22:21:34 (edited)
    A Founding Father
    +2
    Wow, good for them. Do we need to have a party or anything special for their leaving?

    What will psychiatrists do now for income? Maybe specialize in those who purchase
    military style WMDs and bags of ammo? They could rent tables at "gun shows" and pass out flyers, maybe attach themselves to those offering "carry permits" - two for one offer, a permit and two hours to discover why you wanted the permission in the first place?
  • nothing... A Found... 2013/01/10 04:43:15
    nothingbutthetruth
    +2
    They may pay their passage when it's time for their mental check-up(:
  • Comment... A Found... 2013/01/10 06:09:44
    Commenting_one
    Heehee.. very funny. Oh, and when it gets closer to having a going-away party, it will be announced, here.
  • nothing... Comment... 2013/01/10 04:41:52
    nothingbutthetruth
    +2
    Smiles(:
  • rebar4444 2013/01/09 06:26:03
    rebar4444
    +1
    The dumbest thing about seceeding is that say they succeed. Then usa could attack them with the military they dont have then combine them with neighboring states. Dunces if done independently. Now if they could get a military it would be different.
  • askmike 2013/01/09 04:50:16
    askmike
    +3
    The dolts who signed the petitions the White House provided for them are lost. They signed the petitions because they were told to sign the petitions. The problem is that the White House site clearly notified them that the petitions would not be considered if they dealt with issues on a city, county, or state issue; the petitions were only for issues the executive branch could address. So there they were, by the hundreds of thousands, signing petitions. Pardon me for pointing out that those signers hate the federal government, the Big Government, because Big Government gets too involved with their states. So they were actually begging Big Government to interfere with the state legislatures in their own states. Imagine for a moment what the governor of your state would say if President Obama told him more than 100K people, most not legal residents of his state, signed a petition asking his state to secede. That is comedy at its finest.
  • Julien Peter Benney 2013/01/09 02:53:46 (edited)
    Julien Peter Benney
    +1
    It’s a fascinating issue why those who claim to hate Obama do not secede.

    One reason might be that most of Obama’s vehement opponents are too busy earning wages, whereas a large number who support Obama are on welfare and may have more time to simply do what they want to ensure his re-election.

    If that’s the case, Obama opponents might simply refuse to pay Federal income tax returns when they receive them, so as to block Obama and ultimately force him to lower welfare payments if they become too large.

    It could also be that those who claim to hate Obama accept him or think the Republicans will not do what they would wish.
  • askmike Julien ... 2013/01/09 03:33:01
    askmike
    +2
    Knee slapping silly! Tell us another silly story.
  • Joey Julien ... 2013/01/09 10:40:26
    Joey
    +3
    The percent of people who are on welfare is very small, why don't you stick to displacing Aboriginal people and stay out of American issues.
  • Lee Kin... Julien ... 2013/01/09 18:16:46
    Lee Kinanus
    +3
    I think you need to look at the red/ blue state map in relation to welfare recipients.

    Top 10 recipients and bottom 10 recipients
  • A Found... Julien ... 2013/01/09 22:27:04
    A Founding Father
    +1
    More likely the delusional RWNJs are simply borderline nutcases and far fewer in numbers than their "raving" here on SH would indicate. Like packs of wolves, sometimes bands of loonies stay together by a common thread of madness or blood lust, hoping to find a crippled doe to bring down.
  • JAR HEAD Julien ... 2013/01/14 02:47:26
  • dave s 2013/01/09 01:53:18
    dave  s
    no, no, you have it all wrong. actually, those of us who didn't want obama to be elected are waiting for folks such as yourself to leave.
  • elijahin24 dave s 2013/01/11 18:56:30
    elijahin24
    +1
    Why would we leave? The country is headed in our direction.
  • JAR HEAD dave s 2013/01/14 02:50:53
  • Sofahead 2013/01/09 00:58:39
    Sofahead
    I guess for the same reasons all the celebrities who said they would leave the US if Bush won a second term in 2008 didn't.
  • ProudPr... Sofahead 2013/01/09 01:13:25
    ProudProgressive
    +8
    There were a few individuals who said that, true, but no one started petitions to get their states to secede. If people aren't comfortable with President Obama, they are certainly free to leave. My question is why haven't they?
  • Comment... ProudPr... 2013/01/09 11:31:05
    Commenting_one
    Well, you know, there is all that figuring out what to do next and how to do it.
  • wildcat Sofahead 2013/01/09 02:19:27
    wildcat
    +1
    OK now what is that reason.
  • Sofahead wildcat 2013/01/13 15:53:13
    Sofahead
    I guess their convictions didn't supercede not wanting to endure the logistic problems of actually doing it, or their inaction just showed publicly their bravado was false (or impetuous).
  • Randy 2013/01/09 00:26:41
    Randy
    Umm, I believe they got the votes to require the White House to act on it. Have you heard any actions taken? I haven't either!!!
  • askmike Randy 2013/01/09 01:09:10
    askmike
    +2
    Every state had a petition. That gave the residents of each state an opportunity to sign their state's petition, which of course would render some sort of indication of the wishes of the residents of each state. As it turned out, the dolts signed the petitions of multiple states, and some of the dolts even signed all 50 petitions. You call them votes. OK, how valid are those petitions when the state's residents are out numbered by non-residents. But of more importance, the dolts neglected to read the rules the White House provided at the site where the petitions are located. In a nutshell, the petitions are designed for addressing issues the executive branch can address and possibly remedy, and it was clearly stated that issues of cities, counties, and states would not be considered. And of the utmost importance, the idiots rail at the evils of Big Government, but there they were asking Big Government to help their states to secede; instead of asking their legislatures to initiate seceding procedings they aske the Feds to force the legislatures to do so.
  • Randy askmike 2013/01/09 01:18:35
    Randy
    In other words, A White House scam by Bozo?
  • askmike Randy 2013/01/09 01:21:12
    askmike
    +3
    Not at all. You and the others simply cannot read.
  • ProudPr... Randy 2013/01/09 01:14:19
    ProudProgressive
    Not so much "act on it" as respond to it, and I'm sure they'll get around to it. They tend to deal with these things in order of their importance and relevance, so give it a few months.
  • Randy ProudPr... 2013/01/09 01:20:32
    Randy
    After the pillaging of the taxpayers?
  • wtxwoman 2013/01/09 00:13:40
    wtxwoman
    +3
    They are lying low and waiting for their chance, or, maybe they went to sleep. Who knows with what a nutball will do next?
  • Comment... wtxwoman 2013/01/09 11:35:09 (edited)
    Commenting_one
    +3
    I hope Limbaugh is with them on their way out... oh, and Trump...

    UFO
  • wtxwoman Comment... 2013/01/10 06:17:46
    wtxwoman
    They might make animal fodder for the aliens' pets.
  • Frank 2013/01/08 23:04:22
    Frank
    Probably because they have more faith in their state Government than the Fedral (corrupt) government.....
  • Randy Frank 2013/01/09 00:31:51
    Randy
    +1
    Did you notice, Texas has a budget surplus? They'd better hope for a secession before Bozo confiscates it.
  • chaoskitty123 2013/01/08 22:18:16
    chaoskitty123
    +1
    Because they represent the majority of the nation... just go look at a map and you'll see it's almost entirely red so that they control the majority of the nation outside of a few states and small regions.

    They're not just talking secession because of Obama and they aren't the only ones as some on the left have also been talking secession.

    The issue is we have more faith in our state governments than our federal government and we are all of us getting fed up with the federal government.

    Secession is not unconstitutional... in fact, the states can secede at any time by just renouncing the Constitution. The Constitution is not our first Constitution... it is the second one.

    The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union was our first constitution.

    It was in effect for 11 years when Ben Franklin and a group of Federalists got together in secret in Philadelphia to revise the Articles but instead tore them up to create our current Constitution.

    Had the original Articles of Confederation remained intact, slavery could have ended without a war because the Articles had no provision for slavery... the current Constitution does and if we wanted, we could abolish the 13th Amendment and the Constitution makes slavery legal again.

    To get this new Constitution passed, it took a B...















































    Because they represent the majority of the nation... just go look at a map and you'll see it's almost entirely red so that they control the majority of the nation outside of a few states and small regions.

    They're not just talking secession because of Obama and they aren't the only ones as some on the left have also been talking secession.

    The issue is we have more faith in our state governments than our federal government and we are all of us getting fed up with the federal government.

    Secession is not unconstitutional... in fact, the states can secede at any time by just renouncing the Constitution. The Constitution is not our first Constitution... it is the second one.

    The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union was our first constitution.

    It was in effect for 11 years when Ben Franklin and a group of Federalists got together in secret in Philadelphia to revise the Articles but instead tore them up to create our current Constitution.

    Had the original Articles of Confederation remained intact, slavery could have ended without a war because the Articles had no provision for slavery... the current Constitution does and if we wanted, we could abolish the 13th Amendment and the Constitution makes slavery legal again.

    To get this new Constitution passed, it took a Bill of Rights, the first Ten Amendments to gain ratification by the States.

    These first Ten Amendments cannot be amended or removed. Any attempt to do so will invalidate the Constitution because the Constitution makes our federal government a Republic... and that is not what the Founding Fathers wanted.

    The Federalists were largely Tories or British Nationalists who had betrayed their nation out of desires to rule in their own right. These are the people who wanted Washington to be King because it would make them a titled aristocracy of Lords and Ladies. they didn't want the people to be free or have any sense of liberty as we know... they rebelled for self serving reasons wanting power.

    Those who had rebelled for freedom formed the Anti Federalists and they would never have accepted this new Constitution which says a lot for how they viewed it as they opposed it claiming it would deny freedom and set this nation up to fall into dictatorship or a monarchy because it would give the federal government too much autonomous power.

    The Bill of Rights was designed to preserve Democracy by preserving the rights of States and individuals against the Constitutions power.

    This ultimately is what led to civil war as the federal governments abuses of power literally stealing from the states which remained within what they viewed as a Confederated Democracy preserved by the Bill of Rights to build the infrastructure of states for industry which made them dependent on the federal government. Industries failed all across the north, banks collapsed, panics, recessions, depressions and economic crashes happened in these federal states all the way up until the Great Depression. But in the South and where states still held greater control than the federal government where laws were concerned, the economies were stable and even prospered which is why the fed's abused their authority to a point they blockaded southern ports and forced southern states to ship their raw materials to northern industry as the southern states made more money exporting their raw materials to foreign nations. The federal government imposed tariffs on the South to sell their raw goods to the north and then, another tariff to buy the finished goods back. When they protested, men like Andrew Jackson threatened military force and war should they seek to secede in protest to these abuses.

    Far from slavery being the cause for the war, the North needed slavery in the South because of it's constant state of economic collapse where Northern industry was involved. It also pacified northern industrial leaders who wanted to make slavery legal in the North... it was freed white indentures who kept slavery illegal because they didn't want black slaves taking their jobs.

    Lincoln himself said many times he had no intention of setting the slaves free and his views were those of a white supremist whose concerns for black people were no different than those of animal rights activists today as he viewed blacks as sub human by his own written word.

    There were five slave states in the Union until the Emancipation proclamation and the only reason Lincoln issued that was hoping the slaves would rise up and force an end to the war as his personal handling of the war had been a disaster... but the idiot had ordered all telegraph lines and means for communication in the South destroyed so very few slaves ever learned they were free and those that did were so few in number that they justly feared the South might win and they would be killed for rebellion.

    After the shootings in Connecticut, many on the left started crying out to repeal or revise the 2nd Amendment... they cannot do that but they don't know it apparently.

    The 2nd Amendment cannot be removed or revised because the Bill of Rights was the condition through which the states ratified the Constitution... alter the Bill of Rights or try to do way with it and the Constitution literally is no longer ratified and the states are free to do what they want.

    Any amendment to the Constitution can be repealed by another Amendment if a majority of the states choose to do so. Thus, Amendments saying the states cannot secede could be repealed like the 18th Amendment prohibiting alcohol.

    So you are wrong ProudProgressive... the states can secede and there are many ways to go about doing it.

    All 50 states now have enough people signed on to secede that they can do it if they wanted... not actually secede, but push for additional steps where secession can be legally undertaken.

    If they seceded PP... they literally could remove 95% of the country meaning they aren't seceding... they are expelling the states and cities which support the current federal government.

    You yourself constantly attack Congress and when we have a Republican President... I'm sure you do the same as the Republicans in attacking the federal government to the point you start talking about secession or something along those lines.

    The federal government is out of control and BOTH sides have made it this way.

    None of us want to be part of this nation any longer if it means supporting the buffoons in Washington DC...

    And yet, who puts them there?

    Look at the leftwingers and rightwingers replying here on your topic as all they do is attack the other side... but a common theme is attacking the federal government.

    We all know it's time to reform the federal government and yet, we don't trust then to do it because we know their power is so autonomous that only they can reform the federal government.

    That's why I have been promoting the idea for a House of Governors which would hold no power through which the Constitution could deny them the right to meet, to discuss our common needs, to report on what our leaders in Washington DC are doing and act as the nations largest lobbying agency representing the Governors of the states.

    Something must be done about our out of control federal government ProudProgressive and while I oppose secession... I do understand it whether it's the left or the right as we're simply fed up with Washington DC and desperate for change.

    Tell the truth... do you honestly support Washington DC or think it can be changed from within? If you say no... then you are voicing the same frustration that those speaking of secession speak of as if it can't be fixed and only our federal leaders have the power to fix it... if they will abuse their power to stop state efforts to reform the federal government... then there's only one thing to do and that's to dissolve the federal government which none of us see happening. But where we feel powerless where the fed is concerned... we do not feel powerless where our home states are concerned and if the fed's cannot be made to reform the federal government... then we can secede and break up state support for the federal government to strip it of it's power where we can create a new federal government to replace it.

    That's whats driving this desire to secede as most don't want to secede from the nation... they want to secede from the federal government and start over.
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  • ProudPr... chaoski... 2013/01/09 01:32:41
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    How can you write so many words and not say anything?

    Any Amendment to the Constitution can be repealed. If two thirds of each house of Congress and three fourths of the States approve, they could repeal the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, the Natural Born Citizen Clause, the Titles of Nobility Clause, or any other part of the Constitution. Read Article V some time.

    And secession is unconstitutional, at least according to the Highest Court in the Land. Read Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) some time.

    And those who would rip our union asunder are hardly a majority of the country. The map you refer to is irrelevant. Wyoming is over a thousand times the size of Brooklyn, New York, yet has about one fifth of Brooklyn's population. (And I was kind and didn't use Alaska). Even assuming that every person who didn't vote for President Obama is a secessionist (which is absurd; I'd say they probably make up less than 1% of those people), the fact is that the President got more votes than they did, Democratic Senate candidates got more votes than Republican Senate candidates, and Democratic House candidates got more votes than Republican House candidates. They are a fringe minority of a larger minority, and no one with any sense would take them seriously in the slightest.

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    How can you write so many words and not say anything?

    Any Amendment to the Constitution can be repealed. If two thirds of each house of Congress and three fourths of the States approve, they could repeal the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, the Natural Born Citizen Clause, the Titles of Nobility Clause, or any other part of the Constitution. Read Article V some time.

    And secession is unconstitutional, at least according to the Highest Court in the Land. Read Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) some time.

    And those who would rip our union asunder are hardly a majority of the country. The map you refer to is irrelevant. Wyoming is over a thousand times the size of Brooklyn, New York, yet has about one fifth of Brooklyn's population. (And I was kind and didn't use Alaska). Even assuming that every person who didn't vote for President Obama is a secessionist (which is absurd; I'd say they probably make up less than 1% of those people), the fact is that the President got more votes than they did, Democratic Senate candidates got more votes than Republican Senate candidates, and Democratic House candidates got more votes than Republican House candidates. They are a fringe minority of a larger minority, and no one with any sense would take them seriously in the slightest.

    Oh and about those petitions? I'm not sure where you get your arithmetic, but one might suspect you worked for the Romney campaign. You say "All 50 states now have enough people signed on to secede that they can do it if they wanted". In reality, the petition with the most signatures, Texas, has less than one half of one percent of the state's population, and that's not even taking into account how many of the signatures are either fakes or from people who don't even live in Texas. A few around here have bragged about signing all 50 petitions.

    In the future, try to keep it under 500 words if you can. Thanks :)
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