Why Are All The Conservatives Who Wanted To Secede Because The American People Chose President Obama (again) still here?

Because they represent the majority of the nation... just go look at a map and you'll see it's almost entirely red so that they control the majority of the nation outside of a few states and small regions.

They're not just talking secession because of Obama and they aren't the only ones as some on the left have also been talking secession.

The issue is we have more faith in our state governments than our federal government and we are all of us getting fed up with the federal government.

Secession is not unconstitutional... in fact, the states can secede at any time by just renouncing the Constitution. The Constitution is not our first Constitution... it is the second one.

The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union was our first constitution.

It was in effect for 11 years when Ben Franklin and a group of Federalists got together in secret in Philadelphia to revise the Articles but instead tore them up to create our current Constitution.

Had the original Articles of Confederation remained intact, slavery could have ended without a war because the Articles had no provision for slavery... the current Constitution does and if we wanted, we could abolish the 13th Amendment and the Constitution makes slavery legal again.

To get this new Constitution passed, it took a Bill of Rights, the first Ten Amendments to gain ratification by the States.

These first Ten Amendments cannot be amended or removed. Any attempt to do so will invalidate the Constitution because the Constitution makes our federal government a Republic... and that is not what the Founding Fathers wanted.

The Federalists were largely Tories or British Nationalists who had betrayed their nation out of desires to rule in their own right. These are the people who wanted Washington to be King because it would make them a titled aristocracy of Lords and Ladies. they didn't want the people to be free or have any sense of liberty as we know... they rebelled for self serving reasons wanting power.

Those who had rebelled for freedom formed the Anti Federalists and they would never have accepted this new Constitution which says a lot for how they viewed it as they opposed it claiming it would deny freedom and set this nation up to fall into dictatorship or a monarchy because it would give the federal government too much autonomous power.

The Bill of Rights was designed to preserve Democracy by preserving the rights of States and individuals against the Constitutions power.

This ultimately is what led to civil war as the federal governments abuses of power literally stealing from the states which remained within what they viewed as a Confederated Democracy preserved by the Bill of Rights to build the infrastructure of states for industry which made them dependent on the federal government. Industries failed all across the north, banks collapsed, panics, recessions, depressions and economic crashes happened in these federal states all the way up until the Great Depression. But in the South and where states still held greater control than the federal government where laws were concerned, the economies were stable and even prospered which is why the fed's abused their authority to a point they blockaded southern ports and forced southern states to ship their raw materials to northern industry as the southern states made more money exporting their raw materials to foreign nations. The federal government imposed tariffs on the South to sell their raw goods to the north and then, another tariff to buy the finished goods back. When they protested, men like Andrew Jackson threatened military force and war should they seek to secede in protest to these abuses.

Far from slavery being the cause for the war, the North needed slavery in the South because of it's constant state of economic collapse where Northern industry was involved. It also pacified northern industrial leaders who wanted to make slavery legal in the North... it was freed white indentures who kept slavery illegal because they didn't want black slaves taking their jobs.

Lincoln himself said many times he had no intention of setting the slaves free and his views were those of a white supremist whose concerns for black people were no different than those of animal rights activists today as he viewed blacks as sub human by his own written word.

There were five slave states in the Union until the Emancipation proclamation and the only reason Lincoln issued that was hoping the slaves would rise up and force an end to the war as his personal handling of the war had been a disaster... but the idiot had ordered all telegraph lines and means for communication in the South destroyed so very few slaves ever learned they were free and those that did were so few in number that they justly feared the South might win and they would be killed for rebellion.

After the shootings in Connecticut, many on the left started crying out to repeal or revise the 2nd Amendment... they cannot do that but they don't know it apparently.

The 2nd Amendment cannot be removed or revised because the Bill of Rights was the condition through which the states ratified the Constitution... alter the Bill of Rights or try to do way with it and the Constitution literally is no longer ratified and the states are free to do what they want.

Any amendment to the Constitution can be repealed by another Amendment if a majority of the states choose to do so. Thus, Amendments saying the states cannot secede could be repealed like the 18th Amendment prohibiting alcohol.

So you are wrong ProudProgressive... the states can secede and there are many ways to go about doing it.

All 50 states now have enough people signed on to secede that they can do it if they wanted... not actually secede, but push for additional steps where secession can be legally undertaken.

If they seceded PP... they literally could remove 95% of the country meaning they aren't seceding... they are expelling the states and cities which support the current federal government.

You yourself constantly attack Congress and when we have a Republican President... I'm sure you do the same as the Republicans in attacking the federal government to the point you start talking about secession or something along those lines.

The federal government is out of control and BOTH sides have made it this way.

None of us want to be part of this nation any longer if it means supporting the buffoons in Washington DC...

And yet, who puts them there?

Look at the leftwingers and rightwingers replying here on your topic as all they do is attack the other side... but a common theme is attacking the federal government.

We all know it's time to reform the federal government and yet, we don't trust then to do it because we know their power is so autonomous that only they can reform the federal government.

That's why I have been promoting the idea for a House of Governors which would hold no power through which the Constitution could deny them the right to meet, to discuss our common needs, to report on what our leaders in Washington DC are doing and act as the nations largest lobbying agency representing the Governors of the states.

Something must be done about our out of control federal government ProudProgressive and while I oppose secession... I do understand it whether it's the left or the right as we're simply fed up with Washington DC and desperate for change.

Tell the truth... do you honestly support Washington DC or think it can be changed from within? If you say no... then you are voicing the same frustration that those speaking of secession speak of as if it can't be fixed and only our federal leaders have the power to fix it... if they will abuse their power to stop state efforts to reform the federal government... then there's only one thing to do and that's to dissolve the federal government which none of us see happening. But where we feel powerless where the fed is concerned... we do not feel powerless where our home states are concerned and if the fed's cannot be made to reform the federal government... then we can secede and break up state support for the federal government to strip it of it's power where we can create a new federal government to replace it.

That's whats driving this desire to secede as most don't want to secede from the nation... they want to secede from the federal government and start over.

How can you write so many words and not say anything?

Any Amendment to the Constitution can be repealed. If two thirds of each house of Congress and three fourths of the States approve, they could repeal the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, the Natural Born Citizen Clause, the Titles of Nobility Clause, or any other part of the Constitution. Read Article V some time.

And secession is unconstitutional, at least according to the Highest Court in the Land. Read Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) some time.

And those who would rip our union asunder are hardly a majority of the country. The map you refer to is irrelevant. Wyoming is over a thousand times the size of Brooklyn, New York, yet has about one fifth of Brooklyn's population. (And I was kind and didn't use Alaska). Even assuming that every person who didn't vote for President Obama is a secessionist (which is absurd; I'd say they probably make up less than 1% of those people), the fact is that the President got more votes than they did, Democratic Senate candidates got more votes than Republican Senate candidates, and Democratic House candidates got more votes than Republican House candidates. They are a fringe minority of a larger minority, and no one with any sense would take them seriously in the slightest.

Oh and about those petitions? I'm not sure where you get your arithmetic, but one might suspect you worked for the Romney campaign. You say "All 50 states now have enough people signed on to secede that they can do it if they wanted". In reality, the petition with the most signatures, Texas, has less than one half of one percent of the state's population, and that's not even taking into account how many of the signatures are either fakes or from people who don't even live in Texas. A few around here have bragged about signing all 50 petitions.

In the future, try to keep it under 500 words if you can. Thanks :)