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Why are 3,000 victims of 9/11 missing from Social Security death list?

Kyra 2011/08/19 00:28:27


Why are the nearly 3,000 victims of 9/11 missing from an official federal registry of death?



According to the Death Master File — the official record of 90 million deceased Americans who were issued Social Security cards since 1937 — there were 6,298 deaths recorded on that awful day in 2001 when terrorists struck the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a rural area in Pennsylvania.


But since an average of 6,200 Americans die every day, there should have been more than 9,000 deaths recorded for Sept. 11, 2001.


Conspicuous by their absence in the federal file are many prominent victims of the attacks, including New York City Fire Chief Peter Ganci Jr., Fire Department Chaplain Mychal Judge and businessmen Daniel Lewin, founder of Akamai Technologies, and Thomas Burnett Jr. chief operating officer of Thoratec Corp.


“The mystery about 9/11 baffles me,” said Beth Givens, executive director of the San Diego-based Privacy Rights Clearinghouse which has received complaints about the accuracy of the death file. “The only things that come to mind are some of the conspiracy theories that we hear out there — and I don’t want to go there.”

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  • Mark Davis 2012/12/29 06:10:58
    Mark Davis
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    If you think all those names missing is merely a clerical error or you think it takes actual effort to get someones name on the ssdi after their death, you are totally mistaken.
    The SSA is notified of each and every death in the country, one way or another. A family member, a hospital, a medical examiner, and even some coops that assist with final expenses.
    Bottom line is this: If you have a social security number then you will be on the list. Of course there will be errors of different sorts, but thats to be expected as with anything in life....and death.
    It's EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS that such a large percentage of supposed victims do not appear on the ssdi. There has to be an explanation, and unfortunately in this case the explanation is not a good one. Those folks are either fictitious or still alive. And thats not a conspiracy theory, thats just trying to make sense of the situation in a way that makes sense.

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  • littlebuffalo55TBA 2014/09/11 17:26:02
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    Don't know? One thing I' bet on is any of the victims who died who were receiving SS had to return the entire Sept. Check!
  • Mark Davis 2012/12/29 06:10:58
    Mark Davis
    +10
    If you think all those names missing is merely a clerical error or you think it takes actual effort to get someones name on the ssdi after their death, you are totally mistaken.
    The SSA is notified of each and every death in the country, one way or another. A family member, a hospital, a medical examiner, and even some coops that assist with final expenses.
    Bottom line is this: If you have a social security number then you will be on the list. Of course there will be errors of different sorts, but thats to be expected as with anything in life....and death.
    It's EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS that such a large percentage of supposed victims do not appear on the ssdi. There has to be an explanation, and unfortunately in this case the explanation is not a good one. Those folks are either fictitious or still alive. And thats not a conspiracy theory, thats just trying to make sense of the situation in a way that makes sense.
  • kevracer 2012/08/03 16:56:38
    kevracer
    +1
    ask George Bush
  • Patric 2012/08/03 10:43:19
    Patric
    +1
    IDK ... how about this theory,,, they were Democrats and acorn got to them first ???
  • Vijay Pawar 2012/06/15 09:36:48
    Vijay Pawar
    +1
    Not a speck of their body was found, it was a tough ask, still America has done a super job during 9/11.
  • RicemanSTM ~POTL~PWCM~JLA~AFCL 2011/10/20 12:51:41
    RicemanSTM ~POTL~PWCM~JLA~AFCL
    So this is link to story that links to another story without any "actual" documented "proof". Just a bunch of unsubstantiated quotes from supposed "employees" of various agencies. Well...dang...if there's quotes around it AND it's in print...then it MUST BE TRUE.
  • Linda D... Riceman... 2011/11/06 03:55:05 (edited)
    Linda Dobrin
    +4
    You can access the Master Death file yourself. Type in alleged victims and see what you get. Anyone, even you, can access the master death file.

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein,
  • Brian Tristan MacQuillan 2011/10/20 04:42:03
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +1
    Uhm, so let me see if I understand this correctly, since the Death Master File does not reflect the deaths of 3000 people, most of who died in their prime of life, and just about all who were employed and not collecting Social Security, that is the smoking gun that 9 11 is an inside job? The Social Security Administration, which oversees the Death Master File, a government bureaucracy, hamstrung by state laws regarding the reporting of deaths, and dependent on the reporting of deaths to it, never mind a clerical mistake here and there, is going to be our evidence? Oh boy. Gonna have to do better than that.
  • Kyra Brian T... 2011/10/20 06:20:50
    Kyra
    +1
    never said this was evidence... just a strange happening.
  • Brian T... Kyra 2011/10/20 08:00:41
    Brian Tristan MacQuillan
    +2
    Oh okay. It is strange at first glance, but when you understand how the Social Security Death Index works, genealogists use it all the time, it is not all that strange.

    A death certificate for each person killed would have been issued by the locale it occurred. So, New York, District of Columbia, and Pennsylvania would have death certificates for each person that died (on the ground, and in the planes). Them being a part of the Social Security Death Index is not mandatory, a death certificate on the other hand is mandatory.

    Also, the planes crashed that day part's have been identified at each of the crash scenes. So the United Airlines and the American Airlines planes that went down have been identified as such. There are no phantom planes.
  • jimmy d 2011/10/20 02:21:09
    jimmy d
    +1
    And Elvis still lives. He's seen by the mentally ill everyday. I can see the resemblance.
    elvis look alike
  • Kyra jimmy d 2011/10/20 03:11:47
    Kyra
    You think Elvis is still alive? LOL!
  • wtw 2011/09/23 03:53:59
    wtw
    +1
    Very interesting! Maybe they are being used for illegal voting or illegal citizens? Maybe they never died and are being used a alien guinea pigs!
  • \V/ 2011/08/20 18:53:38
  • carolynb 2011/08/20 12:10:25
    carolynb
    +1
    I dont understand why, in this day in age, we dont have a computer system that will connect the death file with the social security office. As soon as a death certificate is issued, there should be a hit in the social securtiy system letting them know that the person is dead so that all payments are stopped for that person.
  • Ken 2011/08/20 04:31:59
    Ken
    +1
    A way to get illegals infiltrated into our society.
  • Brosia 2011/08/20 01:15:18
    Brosia
    +1
    This is very scary. I never knew that there was such a registry.
  • little bill 2011/08/19 19:14:52
    little bill
    +1
    I think that they are living a new life and that they are actually not dead.
  • ted 2011/08/19 15:19:34
    ted
    +1
    Because they aren't dead.
  • Juliees 2011/08/19 13:46:45
    Juliees
    +1
    That is really weird. The way I understand it, even if they never found the bodies or couldn't positively ID them (because they were to burt and crushed by the wreckage etc.) they would be able to be declared dead & years after the attacks.

    I was under the impression that they had ID all the bodies, I may have been wrong though as I was only a child at the time. It still does not make any sense to me
  • Depp78 2011/08/19 13:33:18
    Depp78
    +1
    very odd
  • DeeB 2011/08/19 12:25:42
    DeeB
    +1
    Why does this not surprise me? But it's a damned good question!
  • ♥NinjaKittenLovesYou♥ 2011/08/19 12:05:31
    ♥NinjaKittenLovesYou♥
    +1
    =/ poor people.......... have no clue!
  • Anarchico Anthony 2011/08/19 11:53:45
    Anarchico Anthony
    +2
    Cover ups!
  • Ana Novaković 2011/08/19 10:51:31
    Ana Novaković
    +1
    No idea.
  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2011/08/19 06:37:03 (edited)
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +2
    Let's stuff a sock in this conspiracy theory.

    Inclusion in the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) is not automatic. The names of the individuals who die must be physically reported to the Social Security Administration by a family member or a funeral home. Consequently, the majority of the names listed were receiving SS Benefits (Over age 65 or on SSI, etc) so reporting of these deaths are common (family returning Social Security checks or claiming the $255 Death Benefit for the deceased, etc.). On the other hand, it is less common that anyone not receiving benefits was reported.

    "SSDI does not include the names of everyone, even if they had a Social Security number (SNN). If relatives or the funeral home did not report the death to the Social Security Administration, or if the individual died before 1962 (when the records were computerized) then they probably will not appear in this database. The omission of an individual in this index does not indicate the person is still living. It simply means that there was no report of the person's death to Social Security Administration."

    I looked up several of the victims names in the SSDI. Many are there - the ones over age 65. Have fun and look some up yourself.

    Victims: http://www.foxnews.com/story/...
    SSDI: http://ssdi.rootsweb.ances...
    Let's stuff a sock in this conspiracy theory.

    Inclusion in the Social Security Death Index (SSDI) is not automatic. The names of the individuals who die must be physically reported to the Social Security Administration by a family member or a funeral home. Consequently, the majority of the names listed were receiving SS Benefits (Over age 65 or on SSI, etc) so reporting of these deaths are common (family returning Social Security checks or claiming the $255 Death Benefit for the deceased, etc.). On the other hand, it is less common that anyone not receiving benefits was reported.

    "SSDI does not include the names of everyone, even if they had a Social Security number (SNN). If relatives or the funeral home did not report the death to the Social Security Administration, or if the individual died before 1962 (when the records were computerized) then they probably will not appear in this database. The omission of an individual in this index does not indicate the person is still living. It simply means that there was no report of the person's death to Social Security Administration."

    I looked up several of the victims names in the SSDI. Many are there - the ones over age 65. Have fun and look some up yourself.

    Victims: http://www.foxnews.com/story/...
    SSDI: http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry...
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  • Kyra FAWKES'... 2011/08/19 17:19:05
    Kyra
    The Social Security offices cannot even explain this.... how is it you can???
  • FAWKES'... Kyra 2011/08/19 17:26:53
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    Did you ask them? They will tell you the same thing. Its right on the SSDI Website.

    That's called "Conspiracy Reporting." - No facts involved. Actually, they will try to feed to flat out lies. Have you ever looked up the facts in any of those ridiculous political emails that fly around? You'd be amazed how the majority are total fabrications based on zero fact.
  • Kyra FAWKES'... 2011/08/19 18:06:49
    Kyra
    DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE??? ....they cannot explain it!

    Social Security cannot get away with telling lies... that is why those people are not on the list.
  • FAWKES'... Kyra 2011/08/19 18:11:55
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    Yes. Did you? The article says exactly what I said. The author is spinning it into a conspiracy.

    From the article:

    “There are several possible reasons,” said Social Security spokesman Mark Hinkle. “For example, by law, we cannot make public the death reports we get from certain states. Another possibility is that the death was not reported to us because the person was not receiving benefits or there were no survivors’ benefits to be paid on the deceased’s Social Security record.
  • Kyra FAWKES'... 2011/08/19 18:33:02
    Kyra
    "For example, Another possibility"..... You have a mountain of theories, excuses why the reality is skewed and no positive solid answers. I am sure you could come up with 100 excuses to explain why it is not what it really is. The names are not listed period. Everything else is a dumb excuse, a theory. Stick to the fact, they are NOT listed. Period.

    Then unify that with the fact that a New York court added at least 1000 names within the first 6 weeks while the rubble was still burning, without one shred of evidence for any of them except heresay. He did that so they could collect on the available $40 billion for victims and clean-up. Giuliani destroyed the steel and took the $40 billion for his evidence destruction efforts. Not a conspiracy, those are the facts. The hospitals report very little deaths, less than you can count on your fingers and toes, for the first 72 hours. How many bodies have been 100% verified and how many are still unidentified? I will bet a million dollars ten years later you have far more than 1000 unidentified, but the claimed names without physical evidence already recieved their millions. The first responders have been jerked around and scammed, their cancers not even covered ..... but the 1000 names got their money.

    9/11 was and still is an insi...

    "For example, Another possibility"..... You have a mountain of theories, excuses why the reality is skewed and no positive solid answers. I am sure you could come up with 100 excuses to explain why it is not what it really is. The names are not listed period. Everything else is a dumb excuse, a theory. Stick to the fact, they are NOT listed. Period.

    Then unify that with the fact that a New York court added at least 1000 names within the first 6 weeks while the rubble was still burning, without one shred of evidence for any of them except heresay. He did that so they could collect on the available $40 billion for victims and clean-up. Giuliani destroyed the steel and took the $40 billion for his evidence destruction efforts. Not a conspiracy, those are the facts. The hospitals report very little deaths, less than you can count on your fingers and toes, for the first 72 hours. How many bodies have been 100% verified and how many are still unidentified? I will bet a million dollars ten years later you have far more than 1000 unidentified, but the claimed names without physical evidence already recieved their millions. The first responders have been jerked around and scammed, their cancers not even covered ..... but the 1000 names got their money.

    9/11 was and still is an inside job, proven with scientific law, which is FACT more than DNA, a benchmark. WTC 7 fell 570 feet in 6.5 seconds which defys both gravitational acceleration and the second law of motion. Period. If you cant understand that its on you, Isaac Newton was not lying. We could go on for 20 weeks with this discussion as I present facts like this SS name thing, and you make up theory excuses to explain away the obvious. The problem with that is your improbabilities increase exponentially with every improbable excuse. It gets to trillions to one quickly.

    All I can say is if you like your country and your children you would demand a new investigation. THAT is why the names are not listed, the obvious most likely reason cannot be confused when unified with all the evidence in one single event. Wake up, friend, I care about you and this country.
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  • FAWKES'... Kyra 2011/08/19 19:04:28 (edited)
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    My Buddy Jim is not in the SSDI. It must be a conspiracy and he's really still alive (even though I identified his body). Michael Jackson is not in the SSDI - He must still be alive too. Elvis Presley is in the Index - So he's really dead. Brittany Murphy is listed also.... she's another confirmed stiffy. Anna Nicole Smith is not in the Index... that must be another conspiracy. Elizabeth Taylor is listed - so she's really dead.

    Get it? The list may or may not have a deceased person's name it. It is not automatic. It is not required. Direct reporting is not even common.

    Look some up yourself:
  • Kyra FAWKES'... 2011/08/19 19:09:02
    Kyra
    So almost 3,000 people who died that day are still unreported, hmmm. Why does that not make you concerned?
  • FAWKES'... Kyra 2011/08/19 19:10:57
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    What makes you think that? I found MANY that are on the list. Look them up yourself. Here's the list: http://www.foxnews.com/story/...
  • Kyra FAWKES'... 2011/08/19 19:13:20
    Kyra
    That is not from the Death Master Files...that is from FOX news....LOL!!!!
  • FAWKES'... Kyra 2011/08/19 19:32:16
    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    That's the list of Victims. Look up the names in the SSDI Master List. I gave you the link above.
  • jimmy d Kyra 2011/10/20 02:22:13 (edited)
    jimmy d
    So what you're saying is that they are ALL living under the witness protection program?!?!?! There is no way that 3,000 people can fake their own deaths and not one of them after 10 years cracked and contacted their family. Think logically.
  • AtlBo 2011/08/19 05:11:28
    AtlBo
    +2
    Wow...this question MUST be answered fully...
  • Sandy 2011/08/19 05:00:59
    Sandy
    +1
    Well she better go there...
  • Tom 2011/08/19 04:26:36
    Tom
    +1
    Conspiracy theory or no conspiracy theory 2,976 people died that day. the number is way off

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