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Josh Robinson 2012/06/15 19:17:38
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SANTA ANA, Calif. (CN) - In a revolt against Romney, at least 40 more

national convention delegates asked to join 123 previous plaintiffs in a

lawsuit against the Republican National Committee, and their attorney

said hundreds more may soon follow suit.
The first 123 delegates, all from the 9th Circuit, sued

the RNC, its Chairman Rince Priebus, and every state party chairman in

the 9th Circuit in Federal Court on Monday, demanding the right to vote

for the candidate of their choice on every ballot at the Republican

National Convention, including the first.
The delegates claim

the party violated federal law by forcing them to sign loyalty

affidavits, under threat of perjury, to vote for Mitt Romney, though he

is not yet the official nominee.
They also claimed that state

party chairmen are fixing elections at state conventions and changing

ballots so that all votes cast count for Romney.
"When

nominating someone for a federal office, all delegates must be free to

vote their conscience," Richard Gilbert, of Gilbert & Marlowe,

attorney for the delegates, told Courthouse News in an interview

Thursday.
"They don't want to be bound to any candidate, or even

be forced to vote for the nominee," Gilbert said. "To have a real

convention, the delegates must have free will so that when they meet,

they can persuade each other and then decide who to vote for."
Gilbert

said that the public is unaware that the party is rigging elections and

committing voting fraud. But he said he has more than 100 signed

affidavits from delegates to support these allegations.
"Some campaigns act like organized crime syndicates - and I mean organized crime, no doubt about it," Gilbert said.
"In

Arizona, the voting machines were rigged so that Ron Paul votes were

counted as Mitt Romney votes. It was so intentional that a Romney

delegate refused to certify the vote count, and for that he got thrown

off the convention."
The Party's Rule 11 prevents changing rules

within 30 days of a convention, but Gilbert said that chairmen and

organizers often change rules the day before a convention - and

sometimes in the middle of one - to deny a quorum or rig an outcome.
The

delegates say in their complaint that the defendants threatened

violence against those who don't support Romney, and had men in dark

clothing come to conventions and physically remove people who refuse to

vote for him.
"I have nothing against Romney's politics, it's

his behavior," Gilbert said. "He's the one who chose to run his campaign

based on intimidation and violate federal law."
Gilbert said this is the first time in 30 years that the issue has been brought before the court.
"It's

really serious," he said. "People don't realize that delegates aren't

chosen on the Tuesday primaries like they think.
"For example,

Ron Paul got 16 of the 19 delegates in Massachusetts, which is a pretty

serious vote of no-confidence in Romney from his own state, but I know

that my friends and family aren't aware of this."
Gilbert said

he wants to get the case heard as soon as possible so that all

rightfully elected delegates are seated at the National Convention in

August, and are free to vote for the candidate of their choice.
"The

hour is late and short, but we won't just stand by and let the

Republican National Convention get away with disenfranchising voters,"

Gilbert said.
"I'd love to line up all the criminals and take them on a perp walk through court."
The

case will be heard by U.S. Judge David Carter, though no hearing dates

have been set because more than 100 defendants need to be served.

Gilbert described Carter as a strict judge, who is fair and honest.
"If

the judge rules in our favor, I won't be surprised if three or four new

candidates, say Sarah Palin, jump in and say they want to be

considered," Gilbert said.
"It will be the most interesting national convention in my lifetime if the judge rules for us on this."
Legally,

the case may hinge on whether the judge accepts the plaintiffs' claim

that the nominating convention is a "federal" election. Courts have

traditionally given the two major political parties considerable leeway

in managing their own affairs, for instance, in whether state parties

may hold open or closed primaries.
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  • Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/06/15 21:42:24 (edited)
    Congressman Dr.Ron Paul.
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +2
    If he doesn't, we're well and truly
  • Superman 2012/06/15 20:51:58
    The Delegates Are Unbound...! Try Another Scam We Can Prosecute You For In C...
    Superman
    Ron Pauls campaign is over. His own son basically said so and his son has endorsed Romney.

    To my knowledge there hasn't been a reported rift in the Paul family at this point.

    At this point the people that think Paul is heading to the fall are just sad.
  • Josh Ro... Superman 2012/06/15 22:16:33
    Josh Robinson
    +1
    This same thing happened in 1920... The candidate with the fewest amt of delegates won then took the whitehouse.
  • Savior 2012/06/15 19:44:36
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    Sorry but it looks like Romney will have enough delegates to secure the Republican nomination, and even if he didn't, if Ron Paul won the nomination, the media will claim it was a convention heist, and it would cause a rift in the Republican Party. But we still have enough delegates to influence party platform, possibly make audit the fed an agenda, It will be better that way, because instead of making it Ron Paul VS. Mitt Romney (which is a fight that we will never have enough dirt on ourselves to win), it will be the beginnings of the Party of Paul.

    The liberty movement will have to make a decision now what we will be doing post National Convention.

    Option A: Join Forces with the Republican Party

    Pro's: More Republican Voters will listen to us

    Con's: The Republican Establishment only wants our vote nothing more, we can despise them till the sun runs out, but as long as we vote for them they don't care.

    Option B: Start a Write-in Campaign for Ron Paul

    Pro's: Ron Paul doesn't have to run third party, citizens can do write-in campaign

    Con's: First off even if a Write-in candidate wins the popular vote, write-in candidates receive 0 electoral vote (unless we have faithless electors), that's because write-in campaigns are not official campaigns in the mind of the electi...

















    Sorry but it looks like Romney will have enough delegates to secure the Republican nomination, and even if he didn't, if Ron Paul won the nomination, the media will claim it was a convention heist, and it would cause a rift in the Republican Party. But we still have enough delegates to influence party platform, possibly make audit the fed an agenda, It will be better that way, because instead of making it Ron Paul VS. Mitt Romney (which is a fight that we will never have enough dirt on ourselves to win), it will be the beginnings of the Party of Paul.

    The liberty movement will have to make a decision now what we will be doing post National Convention.

    Option A: Join Forces with the Republican Party

    Pro's: More Republican Voters will listen to us

    Con's: The Republican Establishment only wants our vote nothing more, we can despise them till the sun runs out, but as long as we vote for them they don't care.

    Option B: Start a Write-in Campaign for Ron Paul

    Pro's: Ron Paul doesn't have to run third party, citizens can do write-in campaign

    Con's: First off even if a Write-in candidate wins the popular vote, write-in candidates receive 0 electoral vote (unless we have faithless electors), that's because write-in campaigns are not official campaigns in the mind of the election bureau, It's considered a cheap way of running for president because you don't need to get on any ballot. So Write-In Ron Paul will be a great way to stand for principle but nothing else.

    Option C: Join Forces with a Third-Party Candidate

    Pro's: It's not the Republican/Democrat establishment, but if they are on the ballot they still have a chance of winning

    Con's: The losing party will hate us for it, and it will disenfranchise the mainstream voters from us post-2012. A third party hasn't won since Lincoln.

    Option D: Don't Vote at All

    Pro's: It will be less friction from party line voters because we aren't as active.

    Con's: We aren't fighting for the cause of liberty in any way, in fact it's nearly the opposite.

    All options have a strong negative side to it. Either way Ron Paul won't be elected.

    However some have bigger future implications

    for example if we do Option A, we do hurt the disenfranchised Democrats but we have a stronger chance at changing the Republican party.
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  • Josh Ro... Savior 2012/06/15 19:52:34
    Josh Robinson
    Half of the Republican Party is going to prison for voting fraud and various other infractions after Ron Paul finishes Educating America : ) Unless Romney or Obama wins... : )
  • Savior Josh Ro... 2012/06/15 19:58:47
    Savior
    +1
    We have to come to the realization is Ron Paul isn't going to win in November, but once we do come that realization, we will see that the power of our movement will continue to grow past November. We will be shaping politics for the foreseeable future.
  • Josh Ro... Savior 2012/06/15 20:11:30 (edited)
    Josh Robinson
    That is not true... if the delegates are unbound they are unbound meaning EVERYTHING IS STILL PAR... with one exception... Paul has the favor 2-1... and is OWNING the G.O.P. almost everywhere he is represented...!
  • Savior Josh Ro... 2012/06/15 20:22:18
    Savior
    According to the real delegate count, Mitt Romney's slated delegates are winning (sadly). So unless the Romney camp made a mistake in trusting a 1000 Paul supporters, the RNC will be a Romney coronation followed by a debate on where to take the party, where there will be a big divide

    There will be

    Tea Party Republicans
    Ron Paul Republicans
    Christian Conservative Republicans
    and Neocon Republicans

    The problem is the Neocons and the Christians will probably stick together in not wanting to change the platform, and the Tea Party will want Ron Paul's economic policy but not his foreign policy. So in the end the platform will probably adopt an Audit the Fed platform, as well as Cut Spending.The problem is Romney problem won't follow that platform, but if elected, and he doesn't he's gone by 2016
  • Josh Ro... Savior 2012/06/15 23:25:52
    Josh Robinson
    When All Delegates Are Unbound... Romney doesn't have any delegates neither does Paul. If All Delegates Are Free To Vote Their Choice They Will And It Will Likely Be Ron Paul They Choose. Right now the G.O.P. is in hot water over alleged threats to delegates for Romney of illegally purgering themselves if they vote against their ''Delegation'' but a RNC rule states it is unlawful to intimidate,threaten, harm or otherwise dissuade any person from voting for the candidate of their choice. That means all delegates are unbound thus Romney CAN'T be winning until AFTER the RNC in Tampa.
  • Josh Robinson 2012/06/15 19:40:17
    Congressman Dr.Ron Paul.
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