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  • Freedom fighters 2012/07/16 01:50:03
    Obama
    Freedom fighters
    My humble opinion is that Obama definitely do alot of harms way.Due to the fact of $778 billions stimilus and re-distributing model.Above all else,there's no freedoms that we the people normally have,because of the policy that were put in place.Which really clusters every single American dreams to live in prosper and happiness.There are many things I've learned throughout this Adminstrations.But I'll kept everything myself because I am all for the Math period.
  • Bearish 2012/05/10 21:48:21
    Obama
    Bearish
    +1
    Bush spent money and acted like a liberal, Obama has just doubled/tripled down on it..
    What is it with the Bush comparison? I believe you would have a hard time finding many conservatives who were very happy with Bush.
  • blah Bearish 2012/05/10 21:59:25
  • lm1b2 2012/05/07 12:36:00
    Bush
    lm1b2
    +1
    If Obama ever takes us to war based on deliberate lies i will change my opinion,stupid question.
  • Sir Bud 2012/05/07 12:14:41
    Bush
    Sir Bud
    +2
    But Obama has done more harm to elitism, thats true.
  • C. C. Rider 2012/05/07 12:06:34
    Bush
    C. C. Rider
    +2
    It's been explained to you for the last 12 years, if you can not "get it" please do not vote.


    blame black guy
  • Stan C. C. R... 2012/05/10 11:03:17
    Stan
    +1
    You are always so direct, and so right my lady!
  • C. C. R... Stan 2012/05/10 11:56:25 (edited)
    C. C. Rider
    +1
    lol I try so hard to communicate to these rock heads. LOL And you do very nicely too my dear friend.
  • gary 2012/05/07 10:36:09
  • blah gary 2012/05/07 15:31:42
    blah
    Thank you for sharing!
    Have a great day :-)
  • Z 2012/05/07 08:08:02
    Bush
    Z
    +1
    If it wasn't for Bush's terrible economic policies, we would never have had Obama.
  • littleb... Z 2012/05/07 10:24:57
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    +2
    It's not that simple!
  • Brad # ... Z 2012/05/07 13:04:13
    Brad # 2486547
    +1
    Actually democrat policies contributed greatly to the economic collapse.



    THE DAY THE DEMOCTATS TOOK CONTROL



    January 3, 2007 was the day that Democrats took control of both houses of Congress. Let's take a factual look at what they inherited.

    The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77

    The unemployment rate was 4.6%

    The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%

    The economy had just set a record of 52 straight months of job creation

    26 million Americans were on food stamps

    47 banks were on the FDIC problem list

    The Social Security program took in the neighborhood of 100 billion more than it paid out

    The national debt was approaching 9 trillion dollars

    Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee

    Obama became a Senator from Illinois

    Bush was on record requesting restraint on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae 17 times

    Since then, it was Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae that dumped trillions of dollars of toxic assets on taxpayers. It was Obama who got the third highest pay-out from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It was the Democratic Congress that defended them along the way.

    So since it was the Democrats that were really driving the car, I think they get the DUI even though they insisted Bush was driving. ...

    Actually democrat policies contributed greatly to the economic collapse.



    THE DAY THE DEMOCTATS TOOK CONTROL



    January 3, 2007 was the day that Democrats took control of both houses of Congress. Let's take a factual look at what they inherited.

    The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77

    The unemployment rate was 4.6%

    The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%

    The economy had just set a record of 52 straight months of job creation

    26 million Americans were on food stamps

    47 banks were on the FDIC problem list

    The Social Security program took in the neighborhood of 100 billion more than it paid out

    The national debt was approaching 9 trillion dollars

    Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee

    Obama became a Senator from Illinois

    Bush was on record requesting restraint on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae 17 times

    Since then, it was Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae that dumped trillions of dollars of toxic assets on taxpayers. It was Obama who got the third highest pay-out from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It was the Democratic Congress that defended them along the way.

    So since it was the Democrats that were really driving the car, I think they get the DUI even though they insisted Bush was driving. I think the evidence speaks for itself.

    WE ALL KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY!
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  • blah Brad # ... 2012/05/07 15:32:28
    blah
    +1
    Thank you for sharing!
    Have a great day :-)
  • Brad # ... blah 2012/05/07 16:04:39
    Brad # 2486547
    +1
    You are welcome.
  • clyde 2012/05/07 05:23:40
    Obama
    clyde
    +4
    Obama has this in the bag.
  • blah clyde 2012/05/07 07:04:58
    blah
    Thanks for sharing!
  • clyde blah 2012/05/07 17:18:40
    clyde
    +1
    Another historical tidbit...if Elizabeth Edwards had pulled the plug on John Edwards ' run prior to the Iowa primary, Hillary would have had the early lead and the money edge and kept the magic Negro from getting momentum. Not that we would be much better off today but it could not be any worse.
  • blah clyde 2012/05/07 17:53:23
    blah
    N word you used above...I NEVER use that word. Have friends of all colors.
  • clyde blah 2012/05/08 01:29:30
    clyde
    +1
    Relax A&L;, I'm no racist. The term magic Negro originated from LA newsman David Ehrenstein, an African-American. Fits Obama because if anyone opposed his ideas they must be racist. It was a smart progressive plan to get him in the white house. But look how much damage, to your question's point, happened in such a short period of time. Sorry to have offended you with a term you were not familiar with.
  • blah clyde 2012/05/08 01:47:30
    blah
    Thanks, no problem. Too many use that N word. I hear it A LOT more from blacks than whites. Go figure. If whites/me said that word, they get all pissy! :-)
  • clyde blah 2012/05/08 02:05:20
  • Bali 2012/05/07 05:05:19
    Obama
    Bali
    +2
    look to the debt for that answer...5.5 trillion in just 3.5 years. you do the math.
  • blah Bali 2012/05/07 07:05:13
    blah
    +1
    Thanks for sharing!
  • Stan Bali 2012/05/10 11:24:48
    Stan
    But then, you don't have the ability to tell where it came from, and who caused it. Since your intellectually vacant, let me give you some help.

    Tell me, before the day Obama became the President, list all of the national debt he created and brought with him the day he became the President? Most of us would answer ZERO! HOW MUCH DEBT DID OBAMA INHERIT THE DAY HE BECAME THE PRESIDENT I'm just testing your level of honesty, integrity, and honor, as well as your knowledge of what recorded history indicates! I want to see if you know who is to blame for this economic abyss, or if your trying to blame the victims for what occurred.

    Our national debt is very high, and I am wondering if you have any concept of how it became so large as you seems to lay it at the feet of Obama? Most of the national debt was created by the last three Republican Presidents (Reagan, Bush I, and George Bush) To give you a little clarity, let me give you some facts and proof of what I say!

    DEBT BY PRESIDENT
    http://newsjunkiepost.com/201...
    http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

    $12 TRILLION IN NATIONAL DEBT
    (A clear proof of this with document links)
    http://zfacts.com/p/1170.html

    2009 DEFICIT ATTRIBUTED TO BUSH, NOT OBAMA
    http://www.cato-at-liberty.or...

    WHERE DID THE NATIONAL DEBT COME FROM
    http://www.dkosopedia.com/wik...
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    But then, you don't have the ability to tell where it came from, and who caused it. Since your intellectually vacant, let me give you some help.

    Tell me, before the day Obama became the President, list all of the national debt he created and brought with him the day he became the President? Most of us would answer ZERO! HOW MUCH DEBT DID OBAMA INHERIT THE DAY HE BECAME THE PRESIDENT I'm just testing your level of honesty, integrity, and honor, as well as your knowledge of what recorded history indicates! I want to see if you know who is to blame for this economic abyss, or if your trying to blame the victims for what occurred.

    Our national debt is very high, and I am wondering if you have any concept of how it became so large as you seems to lay it at the feet of Obama? Most of the national debt was created by the last three Republican Presidents (Reagan, Bush I, and George Bush) To give you a little clarity, let me give you some facts and proof of what I say!

    DEBT BY PRESIDENT
    http://newsjunkiepost.com/201...
    http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

    $12 TRILLION IN NATIONAL DEBT
    (A clear proof of this with document links)
    http://zfacts.com/p/1170.html

    2009 DEFICIT ATTRIBUTED TO BUSH, NOT OBAMA
    http://www.cato-at-liberty.or...

    WHERE DID THE NATIONAL DEBT COME FROM
    http://www.dkosopedia.com/wik...
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-5...

    THE NATIONAL DEBT
    http://www.the-inter-web.com/...
    http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

    THE REAGAN EFFECT
    http://www.populistdaily.com/...

    Reagan and Bush I created $8.2 Trillion in national debt, and then George Bush created $3.9 to $4 Trillion, which means collectively, those three Republican Presidents created $12 Trillion of our national debt and passed it on to Obama. Bill Clinton was the only President during that period who created a surplus during the last four years of his administration.

    CLINTON SURPLUSES
    http://www.factcheck.org/askf...
    http://articles.cnn.com/2000-...
    http://crooksandliars.com/jon...
    http://amerpundit.com/2011/02...
    http://www.commondreams.org/v...

    George Bush created two ongoing wars, one of which was created on nothing but lies, which cost $12 Billion every month clear through those three Obama years. He also gave two big
    DEBT PRODUCING TAX CUTS AFTER TAX CUTS FOR THE FILTHY RICH ARISTOCRATIC MASTERS which won't be paid for a decade or more, and all through the Obama Presidency. He also laid a country on the edge of another Great Depression in the new Presidents lap, and said, here --you fix it Obama. You do understand that 18% unemployment cost lots of federal spending for the unemployment checks, and the revenue loss from lots of jobs, businesses going bankrupt also decreases revenue to the federal government to pay the nations bills? Then there was the holding of the country hostage in 2010 to give another DEBT PRODUCING TAX CUT TO YOUR FILTHY RICH ARISTOCRATIC MASTERS COSTING ANOTHER $1.26 TRILLION IN DEFICITS. What part of that national debt was created by Obama half-wit? What do you suppose the interest is on $12 Trillion in national debt, two wars costing $12 Billion every month plus interest. And how much do you suppose Obama had to spend, for an economic abyss he inherited, to keep this country from sliding into another Great Depression? You seem like an intellectually vacant conservative, so get you calculator out and add up all of the national debt that Obama inherited but did not personally create?

    Oh, but you say Obama did not make it any better during his three years. His policies stopped the near depression from getting worse in June of 2009 as declared by the expert economists, and he created over 4 million new jobs during that three years. He accomplished more in three years than most President do in eight.

    OBAMA JOB GROWTH
    http://climateprogress.org/20...
    http://www.tax.com/taxcom/tax...

    FACT-CHECK ON JOB CREATION
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the...

    RECESSION IS OVER
    http://www.washingtontimes.co...
    http://www.cbsnews.com/storie...
    http://www.theatlantic.com/ma...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/0...
    http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/...
    http://www.brookings.edu/arti...

    Why hasn't it got much better? That is now what your probably asking. The week Obama became President, the Grand Obstruction Party vowed to OBSTRUCT everything Obama did to fix the economic abyss they created. They then morphed that into OBSTRUCTION, HOLDING THIS COUNTRY HOSTAGE, FILIBUSTERING AND BLOCKING ALL JOB CREATION, SOCIAL ENGINEERING, SOCIAL DARWINISM, A WAR AGAINST WOMEN, THE MIDDLE AND POOR CLASSES, UNIONS, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, EDUCATION, THE POST OFFICE, VOTER DISENFRANCHISEMENT, CHILDREN, AND USING DOMESTIC TERRORISM. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    RIGHT WING OBSTRUCTION WILL COST THOUSANDS THEIR JOBS
    http://institute.ourfuture.or...

    GOP OBSTRUCTION SINCE BUSH LEFT OFFICE
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
    http://www.pfaw.org/media-cen...
    http://politicalhumor.about.c...

    WHATEVER OBAMA IS FOR, THE GOP IS AGAINST!
    GOP IS AGAINST
    http://politicalticker.blogs....
    http://articles.boston.com/20...
    http://www.frumforum.com/can-...
    http://swampland.time.com/201...

    GOP WANTS THE ECONOMY TO FAIL
    http://www.washingtonmonthly....
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
    http://www.politicususa.com/e...
    http://tech.mit.edu/V112/N5/c...
    http://thinkprogress.org/romm...
    http://m.lasvegassun.com/news...
    http://crooksandliars.com/joh...
    http://mydd.com/2010/1/7/what...
    http://www.businessinsider.co...
    http://www.inthesetimes.com/a...
    http://robertreich.org/post/3...
    http://www.hermes-press.com/s
    http://theweek.com/bullpen/co...
    http://www.expressmilwaukee.c...

    GOP HOSTAGE TAKING
    http://www.sacbee.com/2011/09...
    http://videocafe.crooksandlia...
    http://themoderatevoice.com/1...
    http://mykeystrokes.com/2011/...
    http://www.eclectablog.com/20...
    http://www.chron.com/opinion/...
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/0...
    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/...
    http://fdlaction.firedoglake....
    http://georgemiller.house.gov...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

    McCONNELL -- ON HOSTAGE TAKING
    http://www.examiner.com/polit...

    HOLDING THE COUNTRY HOSTAGE
    http://www.chron.com/disp/sto...
    http://www.politicususa.com/e...
    http://voicesofreason.info/
    http://www.juancole.com/2011/...
    http://fastlane.dot.gov/2011/...

    DOUBLE-DIP RECESSION
    http://www.alternet.org/econo...
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

    What I want to know from you, is did you do any fact-checking, research, reading, study recorded history before you posted and cast the blame for this mess on Obama where it doesn't belong? You are trying to blame it on the only person trying to pull us out of this mess. I also find it so revealing that your group of maggots won't talk about or accept responsibility for one thing that they did in creating this economic abyss, and their appetite for destruction and chaos.

    You are all fundamentalists with a top dressing of chaos and destruction. That is why you are the stupidest of Conservatives, T-Boogers, and reactionary in politics and the most bigoted of obstructionists and domestic terrorists. When it comes to getting your hate on you are all of the same opinion: stop it, lie about it, distort it, obstruct it, flog it, dynamite it, and stamp the truth right out of it.
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  • Bali Stan 2012/05/10 11:49:43
    Bali
    TERRY ANDERSON, A BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST,
    WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA SAID THAT AREN'T EXACTLY CORRECT.

    1.) Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to
    have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
    (Google 'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.) ! !

    2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well-educated youth, who went to work with the Kenyan Government.

    3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of
    the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

    4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY;
    your cousin Raila Odinga created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007
    in Kenya. It was the first widespread violence there in decades.
    The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law.
    Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower.
    You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone.
    Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.

    Obama's cousin Odinga ran for president in Kenya and tried to get Sharia
    Muslim law in place there. When O...













































































































































    TERRY ANDERSON, A BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST,
    WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA SAID THAT AREN'T EXACTLY CORRECT.

    1.) Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to
    have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
    (Google 'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.) ! !

    2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well-educated youth, who went to work with the Kenyan Government.

    3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of
    the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

    4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY;
    your cousin Raila Odinga created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007
    in Kenya. It was the first widespread violence there in decades.
    The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law.
    Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower.
    You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone.
    Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.

    Obama's cousin Odinga ran for president in Kenya and tried to get Sharia
    Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter... Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

    5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her
    daily Salat prayers at 5 AM according to her own interviews. Not to mention,
    Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

    6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY,
    your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language.
    Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

    Barack Hussein Obama is not half black.
    Obama is the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama
    is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. Although Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs..
    Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....
    http://www.arcadeathome.com/n...
    an,_only_6.25%25_African

    7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY,
    you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,
    until your wife made you change so you could run for office.

    4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam''
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?...
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?...

    8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY,
    you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

    February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the " New York Times " a year ago:
    " Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent.
    In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks),
    Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.'
    This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered,
    enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.' "

    9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY,
    not one teacher says you could speak the language.

    10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY,
    you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't speak the language.
    What did you learn except how to study the Koran and watch cartoons?

    11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa
    (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise); you have never been
    anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest
    allies.

    12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY,
    you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine

    13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY,
    Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

    14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY,
    Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

    15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY,
    here you are, despite saying, live on TV, which you would not have enough experience by then,
    and you are all about having experience first.

    16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY,
    they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

    17.) Oops, I Miss-voted - NOT EXACTLY,
    only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

    18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY;
    you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY,
    you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

    20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY,
    you didn't write it, introduce it, change it or create it.

    21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY,
    it took just 14 days from start to finish.

    22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY,
    your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation -
    mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

    23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY,
    as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

    24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY,
    you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens.
    You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

    25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY,
    your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0,
    and even YOU voted against your own bill.

    26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY,
    even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

    27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY,
    they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you,
    after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

    28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY,
    the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

    29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY,
    you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel.

    30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY; you said let the delegates decide.

    31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY,
    you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote,
    and only operate during small windows of time.

    32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY,
    you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

    33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY,
    you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

    34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

    35.) I don't Have Lobbyists - NOT EXACTLY,
    you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

    36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY,
    your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

    37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY,
    you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

    38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY,
    your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

    39.) My uncle liberated Auschwitz concentration camp - NOT EXACTLY,
    your mother had no brothers and the Russian army did the liberating.

    So, who EXACTLY is this Obama guy and what is he trying to sell us?!

    Please let your loved ones and friends know about this fraud.




    God Bless America
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  • Stan Bali 2012/05/10 12:36:53
    Stan
    Yes, and right-wing extremists make crap up like this all the time, and I'll bet they never tell lies, conspiracy theories, or distort the truth like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Would you like to discuss the Grand Obstruction Party's list of lies, conspiracy theories and distortions of the truth, or stay in your little impervious bubble?
  • Bali Stan 2012/05/10 12:38:08
    Bali
    why yes i would...have at it. but first address the obama list above, if you would.
  • Stan Bali 2012/05/10 12:50:02 (edited)
    Stan
    What list, the made up one. I only deal in facts, truth, recorded history, and reality, and your list does not contain any of those. Your mouth just doesn't qualify as a fact machine Bubba. If you want to deal in fantasy, that is your private pathology. We can begin our journey in the morning as I would just love to engage you.

    And why is it that your created this phony list, but would not reply to my previous posting? Did you freeze up there Bubba Monkey? You made claims that you can't back up, but then you divert with this phony half-baked list and want me to respond to to what? I understand bait and
    switch Bubba and I have researched conservatism

    Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy (The filthy Rich). Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world. For thousands of years, conservatism was universally understood as being in opposition to democracy, and the destruction of reason.

    Conservatives do not trust the intellect or the will of the people. Their goal is to subjugate them for the benefit of a small minority of the privileged, while convincing the masses that this is the correct order of things,...



    What list, the made up one. I only deal in facts, truth, recorded history, and reality, and your list does not contain any of those. Your mouth just doesn't qualify as a fact machine Bubba. If you want to deal in fantasy, that is your private pathology. We can begin our journey in the morning as I would just love to engage you.

    And why is it that your created this phony list, but would not reply to my previous posting? Did you freeze up there Bubba Monkey? You made claims that you can't back up, but then you divert with this phony half-baked list and want me to respond to to what? I understand bait and
    switch Bubba and I have researched conservatism

    Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy (The filthy Rich). Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world. For thousands of years, conservatism was universally understood as being in opposition to democracy, and the destruction of reason.

    Conservatives do not trust the intellect or the will of the people. Their goal is to subjugate them for the benefit of a small minority of the privileged, while convincing the masses that this is the correct order of things, they have a great dislike for the very idea of equality. Equality you see is a very mischievous and complicated concept for them to handle. If it were not for the Declaration of Independence, it would be long gone by now. Equality is an ideal that contradicts everything they stand for. It is obvious that people do not enjoy matching portions of health, skill, talent, intellect, strong family support, wealth and privilege, and even good will. Because of that, equality loses its practical meaning. Democracy, where each person's vote, value and opinion are equal with everyone else, seems a naive form of government doomed to failure to the hidden agenda of conservatism. It always has. The founders of modern day conservatism make this very clear.

    Simply put, not everyone, as defined by conservatives should have an equal voice, because not everyone should be viewed as equal, and therefore deserving. Conservatism calls for us to surrender to their acknowledged aristocracy of those who have great wealth, leadership abilities, power, and stature. These include conservative politicians, corporate CEOs, the Filthy Rich, some religious leaders who tow the line, and purveyors of local prejudices (Governor Scott Walker, etc.), those who blaspheme the name of freedom by trying to control the thoughts and values of others. We all know them well

    Setting up an aristocracy of power is the central cause of conservatism, despite all the talk about national debt, religion, patriotism, taxes, spending, gun rights, and abortion. These issues are nothing but stepping stones to their goal, and all one has to do is look how these leaders live their lives to verify it (Glenn Beck, Sara Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, etc.). Their hypocrisy is undeniable, which is why wedge issues never really get resolved. Actions speak louder than words. Their chief concern proven over and over again is to cater to the Filthy Rich and powerful-while making sure that the working people are subserviently supportive of them through DEFICIT PRODUCING TAX CUTS, even against their own interests. Some democracy. When they talk of tradition, this is what they mean. They are harking back to a form of aristocracy rule rooted in the Middle Ages.
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  • Bali Stan 2012/05/10 13:04:07
    Bali
    trust me, there would be nothing nice coming your way if you "engaged" me. that said isuugest you go directly to deep007's post about how you scum think you are so great. take a long look and then get back with me. until then, keep dreaming.
  • Stan Bali 2012/05/10 22:28:14
    Stan
    You didn't address my initial reply to your claim that Obama created $5.5 Trillion in national debt, so why would I want to reply to some right-wing radio hoist diatribe and made up personal attacks. It is obvious that you have no intention of carrying on a factual debate. I know the conservative tactics well Bubba Monkey as I have researched them.

    I have studied conservatism as far back in history as it goes, and they have always been on the wrong side of everything. Republicans/Conservatives, and T-Boogers have great insecurities, a sense of helplessness, guilt, and the inability to effect change. I never dared to be radical when young for fear it would make me conservative when old. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them. You know, one fifth of the people are against everything all the time, and these are the conservatives.

    Conservatism in every place and time is founded on deception, and in particular, rational thought is an evil thought. The opposite of conservatism is democracy, and contempt for democracy is a constant thread in the history of conservative argument. The central conservative argument: freedom is impossible unless the common people internalize aristocratic domination. Liberalism is a movement of conscience, ye...














    You didn't address my initial reply to your claim that Obama created $5.5 Trillion in national debt, so why would I want to reply to some right-wing radio hoist diatribe and made up personal attacks. It is obvious that you have no intention of carrying on a factual debate. I know the conservative tactics well Bubba Monkey as I have researched them.

    I have studied conservatism as far back in history as it goes, and they have always been on the wrong side of everything. Republicans/Conservatives, and T-Boogers have great insecurities, a sense of helplessness, guilt, and the inability to effect change. I never dared to be radical when young for fear it would make me conservative when old. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out, the conservative adopts them. You know, one fifth of the people are against everything all the time, and these are the conservatives.

    Conservatism in every place and time is founded on deception, and in particular, rational thought is an evil thought. The opposite of conservatism is democracy, and contempt for democracy is a constant thread in the history of conservative argument. The central conservative argument: freedom is impossible unless the common people internalize aristocratic domination. Liberalism is a movement of conscience, yet conservatism has taken to acting as if they owned the language of conscience. Conservatives continually twists the language of conscience into its opposite. It has no choice: conservatism is unjust, and cannot survive except by pretending to be the opposite of what it is.

    Conservatism has opposed rational thought for thousands of years. What most people know nowadays as conservatism is basically a public relations campaign aimed at persuading them to lay down their capacity for rational thought. Conservatives frequently attempts to destroy rational thought, for example, by using language in ways that stand just out of reach of rational thought or rebuttal. Conservatism have used a wide variety of methods to destroy reason throughout history. Many of these methods, such as the suppression of popular literacy (Public education), are incompatible with the modern economy. Once common people started becoming educated, more sophisticated methods of domination were required. Thus the invention of public relations, which is a kind of rationalized irrationality.

    The main idea of public relations is the distinction between "messages" and "facts". Messages are things you want people to believe. A message is therefore vague enough that it is very difficult to refute by rational means. People in politics refer to messages as
    "strategies" and people who devise these strategies are known as strategists. One should think of their messages as a kind of pipeline: a steady stream of facts selected (twisted or fabricated) to fit the message. Contrary facts are of course ignored. The goal is what the professionals call "message repetition". This provides right-wing activists with something to confuse their adversaries" come up with new facts to fit the conservative leader's chosen message. Having become established in this way, messages must also be continually intertwined with one another (abortion and the denial of contraception to women).

    Public relations aims to break down reason and replace it with mental associations. They try to associate "us" with good things and "them" with bad things There is "A Key Mechanism of Control" in the language alteration or destruction. It is advised that Republicans/Conservatives and T-Boogers associate themselves with words like "building", "dream", "freedom", "learn", "light", "preserve", success", and "truth", while associating opponents with words and phrases like "bizarre". "decay", "ideological", "lie", "machine", "pathetic", "traitors", "Socialists", "Death Panels", "Muslim", "Big Government", and "JOB KILLING Health Care Reform". The strategy here is a kind of cognitive surgery: systematically creating and destroying mental associations with little regard for the truth. People who think this way cannot even conceptualize truth.

    Another tool they use in the destruction of language is through projection. Projection is a psychological notion; it roughly means attacking someone by falsely claiming that they are attacking you (Santorum calling liberals the elites.). Reason occurs mostly through the medium of language, and so the destruction of reason requires the destruction of language. American conservatism institutionalized public relation methods of politics on a large scale, and used these methods in a savage campaign of delegitimizing democratic institutions. Conservatism runs on ideologies that bear only a tangential relationship to reality.

    Conservatives are all fundamentalists with a top dressing of chaos and destruction. That is why they are the stupidest of Conservatives, T-Boogers, and reactionary in politics and the most bigoted of obstructionists and domestic terrorists. When it comes to getting their hate on they are all of the same opinion: stop it, lie about it, distort it, obstruct it, flog it, dynamite it, and stamp the truth right out of it.

    Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy (The filthy Rich). Conservatism is incompatible with democracy, prosperity, and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world. For thousands of years, conservatism was universally understood as being in opposition to democracy, and the destruction of reason.

    Conservatives do not trust the intellect or the will of the people. Conservatism calls for us to surrender to an acknowledged aristocracy of those with great wealth, leadership abilities, power and cunning. Free people will never let that happen.
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  • Bali Stan 2012/05/11 05:06:27
    Bali
    cut and paste til the cows come home...but still fail to prove one thing
  • Stan Bali 2012/05/11 02:46:59
    Stan
    The above posting of yours is what triggered our initial discussion and it pertained to your claim of Obama creating $5 .5 Trillion in national debt, and about the facts regarding how your going to explain how Obama supposedly created it. I gave you both the facts and recorded history of who created the bulk of that national debt, and it sure as hell wasn't Obama.

    You immediately would not touch the facts and recorded history with a ten foot pool, and instead went into a diatribe and personal attack supposedly on Obama's past by some African American right-wing radio host. And you made sure to say he was black. I wouldn't give a damn if he was pink, yellow, or purple as it had no bearing on the national debt which was the subject. Bubba, if lies, conspiracy theories and distortions of the truth is what our original disagreement was about, all I had to do is bring up your maggot's Presidential debates, Romney's Flip Flops, GOP legislatures lies or reference Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, or Fox News. You and I know what the original topic was about, but you went off on another tangent because the facts and truth I presented was just too much for you to handle. Deflecting by creating another subject total unrelated to the original topic is a worn out ruse by half-wit conservatives. ...





    The above posting of yours is what triggered our initial discussion and it pertained to your claim of Obama creating $5 .5 Trillion in national debt, and about the facts regarding how your going to explain how Obama supposedly created it. I gave you both the facts and recorded history of who created the bulk of that national debt, and it sure as hell wasn't Obama.

    You immediately would not touch the facts and recorded history with a ten foot pool, and instead went into a diatribe and personal attack supposedly on Obama's past by some African American right-wing radio host. And you made sure to say he was black. I wouldn't give a damn if he was pink, yellow, or purple as it had no bearing on the national debt which was the subject. Bubba, if lies, conspiracy theories and distortions of the truth is what our original disagreement was about, all I had to do is bring up your maggot's Presidential debates, Romney's Flip Flops, GOP legislatures lies or reference Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, or Fox News. You and I know what the original topic was about, but you went off on another tangent because the facts and truth I presented was just too much for you to handle. Deflecting by creating another subject total unrelated to the original topic is a worn out ruse by half-wit conservatives. This is called irrational irrationality, and the destruction of language. The GOP is at war with common sense. You first tell yourself lies, and when confronted, you deny everything that contradicts your lies, or in your case deflect to another subject.

    You decided to go on a pathology of irrational hate on the person of the President. That is another bogus tactic of the Republican/Conservative, and T-Booger party. Your pathology is that of irrational hate which demonstrates insecurity, helplessness, guilt, and the inability to effect change. Hatred of a person based on race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or national origin constitutes irrational hate. This is not the comment of the Presidents Ideology or policies, it is an outright attack on the person.

    The more insecure you feel, the larger the hate mask you wear and this Black African American President just drives you into a racist rage. Irrational hate bleeds through day-to-day activities in the form of racial barbs and ethnic humor. Irrational hate elevates the hater above the hated. Many insecure people feel a sense of self-worth by relegating a person or group of people to a lower status, much the same way a school yard bully does. Not all insecure people are haters, but all haters are insecure people.

    What scared the hell out of you about my posting that destroyed you national debt claim -- fear?
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  • Bali Stan 2012/05/11 05:12:00
    Bali
    didn't want you, like all your brethren, wasting our time with the race card (if you have any left).............when one has bought into the obama lie as much as you have what is the point in having any discussion. facts are meaningless and all you do is dismiss them as hatred toward your dear leader. so lets make things simple here toots, run along and cut and paste for someone who cares to listen. until you address the real issue at hand, and the division and gross overspending of your messiah, i have nothing to say to your gullible and ignorant little brain.
  • blah Bali 2012/05/11 05:43:03 (edited)
    blah
    Enough Stan and Bali, Please take your fight off my post. Go to each other's mail box.
    Thanks!!
  • Bali blah 2012/05/11 05:47:32
    Bali
    when did you become the boss? we are not fighting anyway....please dont concern yourself. better yet, take a side in the battle.
  • blah Stan 2012/05/11 05:43:13 (edited)
    blah
    Enough Stan and Bali, Please take your fight off my post. Go to each other's mail box.
    Thanks!!
  • Mr. T 2012/05/07 04:06:59
    Obama
    Mr. T
    +3
    Seems to be pretty much a one-sided poll. 90% to 10%...pretty much sums it up.
  • blah Mr. T 2012/05/07 04:08:51
    blah
    +1
    You think...LMAO
  • C. C. R... Mr. T 2012/05/07 12:05:05
    C. C. Rider
    +2
    LMAO a one sided poll on SODAHEAD???? Say it ain't so. LOL bush laughing

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