WHO IS SANDRA FLUKE AND WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR HER HAVING SEX?
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Georgetown
University Law student, Sandra Fluke, appeared at a Nancy Pelosi congressional
hearing to testify that the women in her law school program are having so much
sex that they’re going broke, so you and I should pay for their birth control.
Even President Obam called her prior to her testimony to thank her for speaking
up for his FREE SEX program! Since Georgetown is a Jesuit niversity, perhaps
the President just hsa a "bone" to pick with the Catholics?
Ms. Fluke declared that the cost of Birth control or morning after abortion
pills cost as much a $3,000 for the length of her studies at Georgetown! She
also claimed that 40% of the women attending just "could not afford such
expense!" $3,000 for birth control in three years? That’s a thousand
dollars a year of sex – and, she wants us to pay for it.
Perhaps Congress should have also hear from another student at Georgetown,
Angela Morabito, who wrote regarding Ms. Fluke the following:
"Sandra Fluke does not speak for me, or for Georgetown! "
She
doesn’t speak for those of us who worked hard to be able to choose to come to a
great institution with a great tradition of faith and scholarship. She
certainly can’t speak for the Jesuits who dedicated their lives to God and
Education with a long established set of rules. There are only ten of them, and
Ms. Fluke would do well to give them a quick read. If she wants a more liberal
sex life, she can go to Syracuse. (Syracuse, I must apologize – but we are in
March and basketball matters – sorry you got caught up in this.)
Sandra
doesn’t even speak for all skanks! She only speaks for the skanks who don’t
want to take responsibility for their choices. That’s a tiny group of people.
Hey Sandra! How about next Saturday night, you come hang out with me and my gay
boyfriends! Your hair will look fabulous and you’ll get to see great musical
theatre! Oh, and odds of you getting pregnant? Zero percent.
Even the oh-so-left HuffPo called Sandra out on her media sluttery: ”Fluke got
the stage all to herself and was hailed as a hero by the crowd and Democratic
lawmakers on the panel, all of whom rushed to appear on camera with her at the
end. “Excuse me. I’d love to get a picture with our star,” Rep. Carolyn Maloney
(D-N.Y.) said as she pushed her way through the packed room to Fluke.”
Star
of what? Star of the bedroom sex tape? When did Georgetown Law start admitting
Kardashians? Sandra, we might be on the same campus, but we are not on the same
planet.
Sandra told some sob stories about how contraception isn’t covered by the
Jesuit institution we attend. (Maybe they don’t cover it because, you know,
they’re a Jesuit institution. Religious freedom? Anyone? Bueller?)
A
student group called Plan A H*yas for Choice staged a demonstration against the
university health plan last year, duct taping their mouths and chaining
themselves to the statue of Georgetown’s founder on the university’s front
lawn. Then, a funny thing happened – nothing. We left them there. Now Sandra
has chained herself to the sinking ship of Pelosi Liberalism. She will always
be remembered as a Welfare Condom Queen.
Let’s
talk priorities here. It costs over $23,000 for a year at Georgetown Law.
Sandra, are you telling us that you can afford that but cannot afford your own
contraception? Really? Math was never my strong suit, but something about
Sandra’s accounting just doesn’t seem right.
No
one forced Sandra to come to Georgetown. And now that she has, Sandra does not
have to depend on the university health plan. She could walk down the street to
CVS and get some contraception herself. Or, go to an off-campus, non-university
doctor and pay for it out of pocket. (Or, you know…maybe not have so much sex
that it puts her in financial peril?)
Funny
how the same side that cries “Get your rosaries off my ovaries” is the same
side saying, “on second thought…please pay for me to have all the sex I want!”
The people who espouse “pro-choice” “values” are the same people who say
religious institutions have no right to choose.
So,
what say you Soda Head member? Should Americans pay for Ms. Fluke and other
female students to have Sex? Or, has Obama just taken this issue way too far!
Read More: http://michellemalkin.com/2012/03/02/sandra-fluke-...
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Barefooted Nana ∞ijm♥∞AFCL 2012/03/03 02:57:50IM NOT PAYING FOR ANYONE'S SEX, PERIOD!
+30Sounds like she has a personal problem to me.....NO I am not going to pay for her pills! Doesn't she have parents?!?!?!?! I paid for my own and so can she/they.
Second, if she goes to a Jesuit school that won't provide, go somewhere else!!!!
Third, some of the responsibility of birth control should fall to suitors having a go at her apparent revolving door of a vagina!!!!
Sad FACT! We have so, so many IGNORANT FOOLS in this country, great numbers of Americans are actually believing such lies! :(
So you support money going to planned parenthood?
Her testimony was about women she knew who had non-sexual reasons for using birth control thus condoms are irrelevant. In any case birth control pills are taken once a day for about 21 days out of the month. To be effective they must be taken each of those days regardless of sexual activity. If someone is on the pill and stops the next month they tend to act as a fertility pill.
Just what percentage of 20 somethings do you think aren't sexually active.
She doesn't even say "taxes" or "taxpayers" in her statement.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your myths.
Which is what I said above. It astonishes me that so many people here can't read. "She talked about women who are paying for health insurance... and being denied coverage for medical conditions..." Note who's paying (women students), note who's being denied coverage (women students), and note what the coverage is for (medical conditions). Why is that so difficult?
SANDRA FLUKE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT CONTRACEPTION, SHE TALKED ABOUT INSURANCE, MEDICAL ISSUES, AND COVERAGE.
Yes, she's a liberal. Yes, she's a women's rights advocate. Yes, you and she probably disagree on the desirability and legality of government mandates. None of that has anything to do with "Why should I have to pay for her having sex..." She didn't ask anyone to, and I'm tired of people twisting what she said when they haven't read her statement. Or if they have read it, couldn't understand it.
1:05 mark: "I attend a Jesuit school that does not cover CONTRACEPTIVES!"
2:10 "Without insurance coverage CONTRACEPTION can cost.."
2:45 "One person stood in front of a Pharmacist and found out CONTRACEPTION was not covered!
3:45 "CONTRACEPTIVE COVERAGE"
4:17 BINGO, there you go, out of 40% of the women at Georgetown who cannot afford "birth control pills" for CONTRACEPTIVE purposes, she FINALLY talks about "other medical condition!" ONE PERSON, mind you!
She EVEN admits that Georgetown covers CONTRACEPTIVE for her though because it is MEDICAL!
Listen, I've gone through enough! Sorry, don't like to look at lawyers or liars and she is BOTH! :)
http://www.wordiq.com/definit...
“We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women." "We are grateful" -- Where's the DEMAND?
"On a daily basis, I hear yet from another woman from Georgetown or from another school or who works for a religiously-affiliated employer, and they tell me that they have suffered financially and emotionally and medically because of this lack of coverage." Where's the DEMAND?
“And some might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s just not true.
“Women’s health clinic provide a vital medical service, but as the Guttmacher Institute has definitely documented, these clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing, and women are being forced to go without the medical care they need." Where's the DEMAND?
“In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences." Where's the DEMAND?
“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.
For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover...
“We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women." "We are grateful" -- Where's the DEMAND?
"On a daily basis, I hear yet from another woman from Georgetown or from another school or who works for a religiously-affiliated employer, and they tell me that they have suffered financially and emotionally and medically because of this lack of coverage." Where's the DEMAND?
“And some might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s just not true.
“Women’s health clinic provide a vital medical service, but as the Guttmacher Institute has definitely documented, these clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing, and women are being forced to go without the medical care they need." Where's the DEMAND?
“In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences." Where's the DEMAND?
“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.
For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay." Where's the DEMAND?
“Recently, another woman told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome and she’s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it.
Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medications since last August.
I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.
Because this is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends: A woman’s reproductive health care isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority." "I sincerely pray" -- Where's the DEMAND?
"..some conservative Catholic organizations have been asking what did we expect when we enroll in a Catholic school?
We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens...
We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of ‘cura personalis‘ – to care for the whole person – by meeting all of our medical needs.
We expected that when we told our universities of the problem this policy created for us as students, they would help us.
We expected that when 94% of students oppose the policy the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for – completely unsubsidized by the university." "We expected" -- Where's the DEMAND?
"...we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health. And we resent that in the 21st century, anyone think it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women." "We refuse," "we resent" -- Where's the DEMAND?
"Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared today are Catholic women. So ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for the access to the health care we need.
The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and the universities appreciate the modifications to the rule announced recently. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the health care they need. And I sincerely hope that that is something we can all agree upon." "I hope" -- Where's the DEMAND?
She starts with contraception in general and moves on to specific cases she sees as discriminatory where contraception isn't the issue. Nowhere does she demand -- or even ask for -- anything. Right below here you say "She wants one of two entities to buy her birth control pills!... the Catholic Church or YOU AND ME!" What's wrong with WANTING something? She's not DEMANDING, which you've said repeatedly. So which is it? Does she WANT or does she DEMAND?
Disagree with her all you want -- see, you can WANT things too. She didn't ask you to pay for her to have sex, much less DEMAND it.
2) My wife was prescribed birth control pills, not for contraception, but hormonal reasons and cysts. The doctor said that if she did not want to be on birth control pills, there were other medications that would do the trick.
3) This is all moot, Planned Parenthood hands out birth control pills for free. In fact they are so zealous about handing out birth control pills, condoms and abortions that they actively trying to hand them out to school age children. Side note: PP is supporting this so they can get out of the rubber and pill business and spend more of their donations (including fed.gov) on abortions.
4) It's not a fairness issue. The insurance doesn't pay for condoms either. And before you go on about the difference, and blah, blah, a condom is most certainly preventive care. Condom's have saved many men a penicillin shot or worse after "knowing" these Sandra Fluke types.
5) You are using the word "want" pretty freely there and drawing a fallacious comparison. There is a quite a difference between my "want" to disagree, and Ms. Fluke's "want" to make a religious...
2) My wife was prescribed birth control pills, not for contraception, but hormonal reasons and cysts. The doctor said that if she did not want to be on birth control pills, there were other medications that would do the trick.
3) This is all moot, Planned Parenthood hands out birth control pills for free. In fact they are so zealous about handing out birth control pills, condoms and abortions that they actively trying to hand them out to school age children. Side note: PP is supporting this so they can get out of the rubber and pill business and spend more of their donations (including fed.gov) on abortions.
4) It's not a fairness issue. The insurance doesn't pay for condoms either. And before you go on about the difference, and blah, blah, a condom is most certainly preventive care. Condom's have saved many men a penicillin shot or worse after "knowing" these Sandra Fluke types.
5) You are using the word "want" pretty freely there and drawing a fallacious comparison. There is a quite a difference between my "want" to disagree, and Ms. Fluke's "want" to make a religious institution violate its religious beliefs.
6) I'm sorry but when are in front of F'ing Congress making your case as for why I religious institution should be forced to violate their beliefs you are, in fact, demanding. You may not say it, but your actions are clear.
7) Finally are you going to own up to the fact that you lied about Fluke "never" mentioning contraception, only to have the facts force fed to you? Just curious.
2) That's great. Perhaps someone else's doc either isn't as good as your wife's or that other person's problem is one that will respond best to treatment with BC pills. Either way, I don't see any disagreement.
3) PP can't fill prescriptions.
4) If you say so.
5) The only places I use the word "want" are when I ask "What's wrong with WANTING something?" and say "Disagree... all you want." It was Old Salt who thinks "want" and "demand" are interchangeable. I don't, that's exactly why I used them both. I don't agree that there's any qualitative difference in the "wants" you describe. That's a value judgment on your part, and the common denominator is wanting.
6) Disagree.
7) Sure. I didn't do it in the post you're responding to because I was trying to keep it to a single point, which is that I don't think anything Fluke said is a "demand." You're right, she does mention contraception. You're wrong that I lied. I made a mistake. And I don't appreciate being judged by you.
So you mean to tell me that PP cannot fill prescriptions (i.e. hand out birth control pills) but they have the medical staff to perform abortions? I call BS.
Don't be offended by me calling you a liar. This the Internet, what I think of you shouldn't mean anything.
My larger point is this:
-The Catholic church doesn't believe in contraception. It is their right to believe this regardless of whether you, Obama, Fluke or anyone agree.
-The provision in question was basically says, "we don't care what your religious beliefs are, you are going to pay for this."
-The debate was rephrased to say, "the insurance plans you provide have to pay for this." The issue is that the church is providing/paying for the coverage. They are still being forced to pay for something against their beliefs.
"What is the Family Planning Benefit Program (FPBP)?
FPBP is a New York State program that provides family planning benefits to men and women ages 10-64 with family incomes up to 200% of the federal poverty level."
There's a lot of info about how to qualiy for the program (you have to provide a LOT of documentation, which some students might not be able to do because of the residency requirement), and then it says that you can take your "card" (when you get it) to "any approved Medicaid pharmacy." That doesn't sound to me like PPH is dispensing/prescribing anything, at least not in NY.
I understand everything you're saying about the general debate, but attacking Sandra Fluke because she said "Thank you, I think they should do this" is out of line. If you're entitled to your opinion, so is she; making this about HER sex life is just nasty imo.
And knock off the BULL about the medical conditions beyond birth control! Even Ms. Flake states the woman who had the "other" medical concern did indeed get it covered by the church plan, yes?
"For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy."
She also says that another woman hasn't been reimbursed since August because of G'towns "barriers."
If your insurance plan has a high deductible, it's because you chose it because of the premium rates. The insurance companies like to hedge their bets, don't they.
So YOU knock off the BULL. Yes?
Please let me put something in the proper perspective for you! What you are trying to FORCE us to believe is that doctors and clinics are lying through their teeth and subjugating people to be placed in medical peril for their very lives because Georgetown is Catholic!
Here is where I have a problem with that!
1) Georgetown, a GREAT law school, yes? Are you trying to tell me that some doctor is going to risk his/her Errors & Omissions insurance and be sued MILLIONS by a LAW student who certainly knows tons of Medical Malpractice Lawyers just itching to represent a client whose life has been put in such jeopardy?
2) Are you really telling me that a Super Intelligent female is going to not get a $9 pill somewhere else IF her life is in danger by waiting on the prescription to be approved by Gergetown's medical advisory board?
If there is such a woman so stupid, she probably deserves to have cancer! She probably would be doing ALL of us a favor by illuminating any chance of having an offspring to be such an ignorant addition to the human race!
Doctor’s lie, they are subject to a lawsuit. Just what does Ms. Flake have to risk by lying? Her reputation? LOL
Furthermore, although it is true that women do take pills for other reasons, Ms. Flake did NOT talk about other women she knew who needed it for "non-sexual" reasons! She talked about ONE, that is woman, singular, not plural!
So, do you believe that you or me or the Catholic Church, who believes birth control pills are a form of abortion, should pay for her pills?
YES OR NO please?
If you wish to believe it is the Insurance Company, you are sadly mistaken! The school provides a HIGH quality health insurance program that has medical benefits that include wellness care, doctor visit copay and a LOW $200 deductible for hospitalization! Bet your policy, either through you or your parents is much, much higher, yes?
The school is Self Insured with United Health Care administrating all the claims! That does not mean the Insurance company pays for the pills.... the Catholic Church would. The Catholic Church believes birth control pills are a form of abortion! Whether you agree or not is absolutely immaterial... they do!
The Democrats are trying to FORCE their immoral judgment on the church and thus be in MAJOR violation of the 1st amendment!
So, do you approve of FORCING the Catholic Church to fund this woman's abortion? Or, would you be willing to pay for her pills? YES OR NO?