Who HONESTLY believes the Obama administration, along with the so-called Congressional "leadership" (lol), is PURPOSELY attempting to strategically collapse the current economic system in order to NUDGE the U.S. population into total gov't.dependence?

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Who HONESTLY believes the Obama administration, along with the so-called Congressional "leadership" (lol), is PURPOSELY attempting to strategically collapse the current economic system in order to NUDGE the U.S. population into total gov't.dependence?

by Left-handed Right-winger Posted November 03, 2009 02:21:21

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Let me be the FIRST to answer...I believe it with every fiber of my being. I DO think the administration is finding much difficulty with the timing of the incremental application of different aspects of the total strategy for it to be without sacrifice and risk to itself. Time will tell for sure. JMO

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+9 raves plowboy November 03, 2009 03:53:54

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
You're right on target.

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Warfinge November 03, 2009 20:31:39

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.

Next years "Community Organizers"
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seekthetruth~IGWT~ November 03, 2009 18:42:20

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
Absolutely the plan behind their tax and spend theory. For all the Obama worshippers who actually believe their life styles will be improved through 'sharing the wealth', what will it take for you to realize the ultimate goal of Washington is to bring the middle class down to the poverty level and establish a two tiered society. Your life will not get better, you will just have more company on the poverty level. And, you no longer will have the independence to make your life better. Wake Up!
Having said that, the American people can stop this madness. Call, write, email your leaders. Next election - kick them to the curb. We don't need professional politicans, we need American patriots in Washington.
Ultimately it is up to us.
+2 raves
Lanikai November 03, 2009 18:23:42

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
A close look at Stalin and Hitler and their rise to power is a great parallel road for abommie. He is, so far, following their road map to dictatorship to the letter.
Bear November 03, 2009 17:16:36

Answered: I DO NOT BELIEVE IT.
'strategically collapse the economic system' to create total dependence on government? As far as conspiracy theories go this fits right in with rule by the Illuminati, the coming Apocalypse of 2012, and alien management of human development.....I'm still trying to get my head around the purpose of dependence on government tho. What do you really mean by suggesting everyone would be dependent on government and what do you think the administration wants to do with 330 million people dependent on its good graces? Is it the search for eternal power or at least a feeling of power? For a docile population one could easily lead to into more wars with a goal of global domination..... simple riches from the tax intakes? A search for power is more easily understandable than a search for dependence.
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Left-ha... to Bear November 03, 2009 18:03:27 (edited)

You stated....
"A search for power is more easily understandable than a search for dependence."

IMO, if economic "pain" is intensified via gov't. action through an already existing crisis, the initial, reluctant, involuntary dependency of the populace on the gov't. simultaneously gives it the power to control a once independent free-thinking people.
Eventually, the resistance of the people subsides and dares not to bite the hand that feeds it.

Here is one paraphrased analogy.....

During those final days of the collapsing Marxist experiment in the Soviet Union, Soviet novelist Chingiz Aitmatov retold the following story.....

On one occasion, so it was narrated, Stalin called for a live chicken and proceeded to use it to make an unforgettable point before some of his henchmen. Forcefully clutching the chicken in one hand, with the other he began to systematically pluck out its feathers. As the chicken struggled in vain to escape, he continued with the painful denuding until the bird was completely stripped. “Now you watch,” Stalin said as he placed the chicken on the floor and walked away with some bread crumbs in his hand. Incredibly, the fear-crazed chicken hobbled toward him and clung to the legs of his trousers. Stalin threw a handful of grain to the bird, and it began to follow h...

You stated....
"A search for power is more easily understandable than a search for dependence."

IMO, if economic "pain" is intensified via gov't. action through an already existing crisis, the initial, reluctant, involuntary dependency of the populace on the gov't. simultaneously gives it the power to control a once independent free-thinking people.
Eventually, the resistance of the people subsides and dares not to bite the hand that feeds it.

Here is one paraphrased analogy.....

During those final days of the collapsing Marxist experiment in the Soviet Union, Soviet novelist Chingiz Aitmatov retold the following story.....

On one occasion, so it was narrated, Stalin called for a live chicken and proceeded to use it to make an unforgettable point before some of his henchmen. Forcefully clutching the chicken in one hand, with the other he began to systematically pluck out its feathers. As the chicken struggled in vain to escape, he continued with the painful denuding until the bird was completely stripped. “Now you watch,” Stalin said as he placed the chicken on the floor and walked away with some bread crumbs in his hand. Incredibly, the fear-crazed chicken hobbled toward him and clung to the legs of his trousers. Stalin threw a handful of grain to the bird, and it began to follow him around the room, he turned to his dumbfounded colleagues and said quietly, “This is the way to rule the people. Did you see how that chicken followed me for food, even though I had caused it such torture? People are like that chicken. If you inflict inordinate pain on them they will follow you for food the rest of their lives.”

Again, this thinking is my own opinion. I am not necessarily trying to get anyone to agree with me.
I would much rather be wrong, but I do not think I am. I think I do know a little about how flawed human minds naturally work if given a window through which to make a power grab over others. It has happened time and time again throughout the recorded history of the world.
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seekthe... to Left-ha... November 03, 2009 18:45:49

I agree. Our welfare system is a great case in point of the chicken.
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Lanikai to Left-ha... November 03, 2009 18:47:43

Excellently well stated. and an apt description of what is coming via obammie.
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Bear to Left-ha... November 03, 2009 19:16:07

good story....many thanks......sort of the Stockholm syndrome response for poultry.......I'll be on the watch for Obama strangling a chicken.....interestingly, the Russian people have lived under authoritarian rule for centuries......not so Americans of course.......you are right that much of the human condition can be attributed to individuals in search of power or reacting to power one way or another......America as a nation of laws tho is set up to attempt at least to limit power.....we haven't been very successful stopping the power grabs of big business and the military/industrial complex.....but regular elections and term limits at the presidential level essentially constrain power grabs of the political sphere......no way Obama could pull off a coup d'etat so his time is limited.......there is certainly a lot of concern that the administration is pursuing policies whose outcomes are uncertain, but in my opinion (humble as it may be) to think that our elected leaders are conspiring to bring about the downfall of the American economy is going a few steps too far.......we should be able to limit our concerns to incompetence or corruption - the typical purview of politicians
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Daveman November 03, 2009 17:13:41

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
“Inflation is the fiscal complement of statism and arbitrary government. It is a cog in the complex of policies and institutions which gradually lead toward totalitarianism.” -Ludwig von Mises

“Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalistic System was to debauch the currency. . . Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million can diagnose.” - John Maynard Keynes

”America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.” - Josef Stalin quote

“When one makes a Revolution, one cannot mark time; one must always go forward - or go back. He who now talks about the "freedom of the press" goes backward, and halts our headlong course towards Socialism.” -Vladimir Lenin
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extremist whitewulf--unruly... November 03, 2009 17:11:56

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
wait until they ram the "sap and raid" bill up our ass--energy costs will fly into outer space and what little industry we have left will leave--then your golden boy HO will be the worlds biggest plantation owner--
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Frank November 03, 2009 17:06:53

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
Maybe then Obama can be the King and his wife the Queen, and the masses their subjects. Isn't that what Socialsm is?
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Merl November 03, 2009 16:54:17

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
It is the only explination that makes sense when you look at what has been set in motion over the last 50 years. Obama and his team are just standing on the gas pedal to get there faster than ever before.
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JustTheFacts November 03, 2009 16:54:09

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
Yes, yes, yes! It is in every piece of Socialism documentation. They feel to create the world they want they need three things: A "strong" leader who will commit to this, a strong social organization to follow through (Acorn, SEIU), and a huge financial (or other) disaster so that we have to "pick up the pieces" during which time the constitution can be rewritten to allow alien presidents, etc.
They have 1 and 2, they just need 3. By continuing to borrow at an irresponsible level they CAN create their own "dream" world.
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boneman1 November 03, 2009 16:31:26

Answered: OTHER
I don't believe they're trying to collapse the economic system. I do believe that they're incompetent and not qualified to bring us out of the economic situation we're in right now. I believe if they're allowed to implement the things they've proposed we will be in an economic hole our grandchildren will still be trying to dig out of. I believe if left unchecked our military will become a shell of what it once was and I also believe that there are enough patriotic U.S. citizens out there that you will begin to see people raising their voices against this administration like we never seen before. Some times it takes facing the possibility of losing something dear to wake people up and make them fight for it. I think Obama and the liberals in congress and senate have just about pushed people to that point now.
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CWFR November 03, 2009 16:24:56

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
I believe it!
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davyd god loving extremist November 03, 2009 15:44:40

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
nobama has a plan A. total govt take over and B. redistribution of wealth. This is the lie nobama ran on, this so called 'Hope and Change' what he promised is really liberal socialism. Just think when America goes bankrupt everyone that still has a job will be working for the govt. Nobama's farleft loons will rule your life, they will decide every aspect of your life from craddle to grave. Death panels will be the least of your problems, good luck
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Gary November 03, 2009 15:06:23

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
Scary thing is they dont know their ass from a hole in the ground............
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Live Free Or Die November 03, 2009 14:57:11

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
I've come to the conclusion that when a politician's lips are moving, they're lying, be they democrat or republican.
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Richie November 03, 2009 14:35:19

Answered: OTHER
Obama is the biggest self promoter in the world---he puts Don King to shame!!!
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Left-ha... to Richie November 03, 2009 16:34:25

So true.
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emmamess ~Burst My Bubble` November 03, 2009 14:21:49

Answered: I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE ANYMORE.
Either that or they are trying to outrage the right wing to cause a shift in partisan power in the House and Senate in 2010 so they can get legsislation passed to govern morality after they have more federal control of the economy.
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T-Time1 November 03, 2009 14:10:54

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
Totally !!!
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susan November 03, 2009 14:05:31

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
I believe it, but I don't think that is the way they would express it.
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Racefish November 03, 2009 13:57:35

Answered: I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE ANYMORE.
I'm not sure but I do know that many people can clean up with the collapse the economy. George Soros is the highest on this list.
Having it done intentionally may be beyond many of these people's abilities to plan or comprehend. What I'm seeing is gross incompetence plus poor judgment.
The people we need to elect should have a good understanding of the Constitution. I'm not seeing that from this group of Democrats and Rinos in Congress now.
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Asher November 03, 2009 13:48:17

Answered: I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE ANYMORE.
i think its entirly possible...i dont trust the government repub,or demorat....
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Conservative in California November 03, 2009 06:53:07

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
I can't decide if Obama is intent on doing it or he's just that stupid. Either way, the results are the same.
Lanikai to Conserv... November 03, 2009 18:52:28

I sincerely believe, based on his speaking and his writing, that he is intent upon the creation of a commie style, sharia law dictatorship, with himself as head and islam as the national religion.
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Eppie November 03, 2009 06:50:53

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
The policies of this regime prove that the goal is to ruin our economy so they can take over our freedom. The bailouts are a good example. Also the stimulus which has stimulated nothing is another example.
+3 raves
lifelovefreedom November 03, 2009 06:42:10

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
Dead on. Then some..
+1 raves
A SOCK PUPPET November 03, 2009 06:41:02

Answered: I DO NOT BELIEVE IT.
sounds sort of like a conspiracy theory to me
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gregaj7 November 03, 2009 06:33:43

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
For me, a neon sign couldn't make it more obvious. Using the internet, my studies of US history shows that this has been going on, to one extent or another, even before the republic was formed (Sir Francis Bacon). Satan wants to control all of us on this planet, and secular gov't is one of his main tools to accomplish this goal. What did Jesus say to Pilate when asked about being a "King"? For those who can't or won't see this happening: Hosea 4:6. Remember, Yahweh has no problem with what you are unaware of, He does have a problem with what you refuse to learn (rejected knowledge) or intentionally ignore. Thanks for your time.
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DannoJyd November 03, 2009 06:02:21

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
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mustangluver November 03, 2009 05:47:14

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
I do not understand how anyone (taxpayers) does not believe it...
+6 raves
Terry ~Stop Communist Obama~ November 03, 2009 05:30:37

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
I believe it big time. That's how he's gonna try to push his government run healthcare. He's gonna make the excuse

"that many people are unemployed, which forced them to lose their health insurance thru their job. That is why we need "PUBLIC OPTION" heathcare"

Because if the economy was good, he couldn't sell this government run healthcare.

This is what I truely believe.
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Tina Hillstrom November 03, 2009 05:03:16

Answered: I BELIEVE IT.
Obama has a master plan to unravel th last 300 years of our founding father's vision in order to "change it" into his vision of his utopia.He yeilds to those who follow the roots of Marxist's as he branches out with advocate's and a false degree of social interventionism and economic rationalisation (usually in the form of economic mis-planning), opposing each other, gradually bringing America to her knees as he hate's white America Capitalism and freedom of thought and innovation
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Dionysus November 03, 2009 05:01:31

Answered: I DO NOT BELIEVE IT.
nothing to really be gained by it
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Formula... to Dionysus November 03, 2009 05:35:31

explain it then, why??
Dionysus to Formula... November 03, 2009 12:39:44

There is nothing to be gained by making this country more dependent on the Gov't. Obama holds a position that is the most powerful in the world. So there is no more to be gained.

There is something to be said in not putting too much faith in Corporations to the right thing. If there is no Public option, than The CEOs get more power. And we see with the Banks and their bonuses, all they want is to make money.

Answer this to me...how do the Insurance companies make Trillions every year?
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Left-ha... to Dionysus November 03, 2009 14:14:25

Insurance companies are now making "TRILLIONS"?...Can you show some figures?
I do know insurance companies have always made a PROFIT or else they do not last.
However, their PROFIT MARGINS are very conservative.

You stated.....
"And we see with the Banks and their bonuses, all they want is to make money."

Question regarding your statement...
What do you think people who rise to power in government want to do for themselves?....Have you EVER known of ANYONE in government to live according to the SAME STANDARD they deem fitting for the population of which they govern?...What is the difference?
Lanikai to Dionysus November 03, 2009 18:55:48

Since every singel study has proven that insurance companies, specifically healthcare ones, operate on a 5% or less profit margin. That would be incorrect.