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  • The Bantam Seditioner 2011/09/23 12:19:53 (edited)
    Ron Paul
    The Bantam Seditioner
    +13
    Paul, Johnson, and Cain were all great. I enjoyed Huntsman, Gingrich, and Bachmann too, but in terms of not only who can win against Obama (polls have Paul neck-and-neck with him), but who can best reverse the bad policies of Obama and previous Presidents, I'm going with Ron Paul.

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  • Bonboyl LisaWay... 2011/09/25 00:59:57
    Bonboyl
    +1
    And didn't Obama promise Petrobas (in Brazil) that we would be one of their best customers? The Governor of Alaska is on the Mike Hukabee telling that ANWAR is the best thing for America. We also have lots of our own oil.

    I have enjoyed your conversation with Gracie. Both make good points. But, like you, I am totally tired of our involvement is everybody else's business.
  • Shawn Rapp mike j 2011/09/24 03:29:32
    Shawn Rapp
    +3
    It just slays me when the Elite Republicans denigrate Ron Paul. Like when they try to bash his idea of getting back to the gold standard. They make it out like Ron Paul would try to set the dollar value to what it was back in 1965 when we went off the standard. Any one with a IQ above room temperature or can form an opinion with out their slave master pro-establishment can figure out that you would lock the dollar value at what its current value is today. Secondly... thats what thousands of Americans are doing anyways by buying gold to hedge against this post-'65 Dollar. All we would have to do is the reverse of what we did back in 1965. The Promise of Production note was a completely different dollar than the silver note. So we would just have to start printing new dollars that are backed by silver and just run out the floating currency worthless dollar. Ultimately it won't matter if the global elitists do get to keep their monopoly money US Dollar. Eventually if we try to maintain this facade and thanks to technology, we won't need government currency because everything will switch to a gold credit anyways. So if the government won't do it. Capitalism will.
    No one can stop capitalism. Russia tried and fueled a huge underground mafia to supply the demands of the people. Capitalism is a force of nature. We need realistic rules to corral it.
  • LisaWay... Shawn Rapp 2011/09/24 12:38:33
    LisaWay☮JUST MARCH HOME
    +1
    Shawn-- quite a bit of a brilliance there. :)

    • Capital as such is not evil; it is its wrong use that is evil. Capital in some form or other will always be needed. ~Mohandas Gandhi

    ...For those who have been tricked into blaming capitalism for all our woes: Capitalism is Not Evil. The evil we are witnessing here results from CORPORATISM.

    CORPORATISM is the CURRENT trend of our federal administration; BOTH PARTIES seem to be on board with that, and how!

    People may get these terms confused today, in part because of the intentionally deceptive recent catch phrase often used as a euphemism for corporatism: "crony capitalism". The use of the term "crony capitalism" serves both to vilify free market capitalism and at the same time distract us from the real evil of corporatism in our midst.

    CORPORATISM is NOT capitalism and NOT socialism. (Some like to pretend they are practicing socialism: they aren't. And the very idea that they would promote the already known moral brier patch of socialism, as a dubious plant over the quicksand of corporatism, just illustrates how much more evil corporatism truly is.)

    WATCH OUT, people!-- While socialism, in national practice, has always led to moral corruption-- (not so in the case of capitalism); CORPORATISM is INTRINSICALLY EVIL and is t...

    Shawn-- quite a bit of a brilliance there. :)

    • Capital as such is not evil; it is its wrong use that is evil. Capital in some form or other will always be needed. ~Mohandas Gandhi

    ...For those who have been tricked into blaming capitalism for all our woes: Capitalism is Not Evil. The evil we are witnessing here results from CORPORATISM.

    CORPORATISM is the CURRENT trend of our federal administration; BOTH PARTIES seem to be on board with that, and how!

    People may get these terms confused today, in part because of the intentionally deceptive recent catch phrase often used as a euphemism for corporatism: "crony capitalism". The use of the term "crony capitalism" serves both to vilify free market capitalism and at the same time distract us from the real evil of corporatism in our midst.

    CORPORATISM is NOT capitalism and NOT socialism. (Some like to pretend they are practicing socialism: they aren't. And the very idea that they would promote the already known moral brier patch of socialism, as a dubious plant over the quicksand of corporatism, just illustrates how much more evil corporatism truly is.)

    WATCH OUT, people!-- While socialism, in national practice, has always led to moral corruption-- (not so in the case of capitalism); CORPORATISM is INTRINSICALLY EVIL and is the shortest known way the 9th Circle of Hell !

    I guess I should make a separate post now somewhere to clarify the definitions of these terms...BUT RON PAUL HAS TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE EVILS OF CORPORATISM: http://ronpaulquotes.com/conc...
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  • LisaWay... mike j 2011/09/24 12:49:52
    LisaWay☮JUST MARCH HOME
    Yes, Hannity is generally arrogant, flip and disrespectful to Ron Paul, but not as bad as O'Reilly... People truly need to get off the mainstream media, but especially these infotainers, as a source of news. This is NOT news. It's op-ed at best, and most are op-ed at its worst.
  • mike j LisaWay... 2011/09/24 14:09:06
    mike j
    +1
    yes Lisa , you are so correct . i was thinking was I the only one that has been feeling this way. have a great weekend . mike
  • chgo 2011/09/23 19:05:43
    Gary Johnson
    chgo
    Con Paul has no chance.
  • Gracie ... chgo 2011/09/24 02:53:35
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    He was good even though he stole his dog joke from Rush.
  • chgo Gracie ... 2011/09/24 04:57:44
    chgo
    Are you nuts?! I'm not gonna vote for a con, especially not Johnson. Vote Obama2012.
  • Gracie ... chgo 2011/09/24 18:39:10
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Only a nut would vote for Obama.
  • jpb 2011/09/23 17:27:05
    Mitt Romney
    jpb
    +1
    It's interesting all the support Rick Perry is getting. Yet, when I talk to my Texan friends, none of them like him. If you take someone like Jon Huntsman, he was a very popular governor. People need to get past the Perry hype.
  • Lucy jpb 2011/09/24 00:34:25
    Lucy
    +1
    Yes, Rick Perry will fade away soon. I like Jon Huntsman for his smarts.
  • Bonboyl Lucy 2011/09/24 04:16:19
    Bonboyl
    I kind of liked Jon Huntsman too, but he hardly gets any media. I also like Herman Cain and they don't talk him up much either.
  • davyd god loving patriot 2011/09/23 17:25:57
    Mitt Romney
    davyd god loving patriot
    +1
    I Think the best President would be either Newt or Rick
  • Bonboyl davyd g... 2011/09/24 04:16:43
    Bonboyl
    +1
    I think these two are gaining traction.
  • Flea 2011/09/23 17:23:33
    Herman Cain
    Flea
    +1
    Actually I think none. I only picked Cain because he actually seems to be the only one up there who has been in the lower-to-middle class tax bracket ( plus, there was no "other" option). However, all the Republicans' ideas for a flat tax across the board is horse manure.
    Example= I have $10 in each hand. I give one to a family of four making 19-30 grand a year. I give the other to a family of four with an income of 100 grand +. Face it- in this economy, who is it going to mean more to?
  • T. James H Flea 2011/09/23 19:52:40
  • Flea T. James H 2011/09/23 20:49:21
    Flea
    +1
    The main problem I have with him is that he's 76- I don't think he'll make it through one term with all the stress he'll be under.
  • T. James H Flea 2011/09/23 23:43:48
  • Lucy Flea 2011/09/24 00:35:23
    Lucy
    +1
    You might be going by his appearance. I read that he is extremely healthy.
  • T. James H Lucy 2011/09/25 00:50:40
  • Chokmah Flea 2011/09/24 01:40:35
    Chokmah
    +1
    Can you keep up with Ron Paul on a 20 mile bike ride throught the desert? Ron Paul has the mind and stamina of an 18 year old.. that's what Libertarian thinking does for you.
  • Flea Chokmah 2011/09/25 03:39:57
    Flea
    Actuarial tables have a little more standing power when it comes to male life expectancy than positive thinking... and that's just common sense.
  • Chokmah Flea 2011/09/25 08:48:21
    Chokmah
    Actuarial tables are mathematical tables that deal with numbers and averages. The typical American is obese, diabetic, and a couch potato... Ron Paul has the mind of a thirty year old and the stamina of a twenty year old... together with the wisdom of the ancients... a Wining combination
  • Bonboyl Flea 2011/09/24 04:17:08
    Bonboyl
    That's a concern of mine too.
  • Ken T. James H 2011/09/24 02:08:42
    Ken
    I love Ron Paul. He contributes to the political debate and the options under consideration. He probably cannot be elected but even if he loses as the Republican candidate, he would make the country a better place.
  • T. James H Ken 2011/09/25 01:02:58
  • Chokmah Flea 2011/09/24 01:39:06
    Chokmah
    The flat tax has like a $50,000 standard deduction.. so the working poor will not get taxed. The rich will have ALL of their income taxed, unlike the current phony system that exempts municipal bond interest, earnings inside of an annuity and life insurance, etc, etc.
  • Philthy 2011/09/23 16:55:40
    Ron Paul
    Philthy
    +5
    Ron Paul has been and continues to speak the truth... He understands very well the Business Cycle and the role that The FED has played in all of these bubbles and melt downs... He will not pander to the Elite! He will end these unconstitutional wars! He will end our 'Policing' of the world, bring our troops home and audit/restrict The FED! Peace, Liberty and Freedom!
  • Rusty Shackleford 2011/09/23 15:04:10 (edited)
    Herman Cain
    Rusty Shackleford
    +2
    Herman Cain will make a good President. He understands that what this country needs is for government to just get out of the way and let the private sector recover on its own.
  • webmaven 2011/09/23 14:37:23
    Jon Huntsman
    webmaven
    +1
    Huntsman was the only semi-sane one among them
  • Ken webmaven 2011/09/24 02:11:27
    Ken
    I agree...and IMO Huntsman is the only one who has a chance to win against Obama. ... with the possible exception of Gary Johnson. If either of these candidates gain serious consideration, Obama will have a race on his hands. Otherwise, this election will be a joke. Romney will make a good showing and lose while Perry will lose by a landslide.
  • LisaWay... Ken 2011/09/24 13:30:33
    LisaWay☮JUST MARCH HOME
    Both Rasmussen and Gallop polls show otherwise, regarding Romney, Perry and Ron Paul. I don't find any polls there for Johnson or Huntsman. Last one they did with the Ron Paul vs. Obama question alone was Rasmussen, August 23rd: Obama 39%, Paul 38% . (these are actual professional scientific polling organizations, with 3% margin of error-- the best margin possible)
  • Ken LisaWay... 2011/09/24 16:28:13
    Ken
    The election is 14 months away. The Republican Candidates have only begun to fight. The Tea Party has not yet announced a 3rd Party candidate. The Democratic message has only peaked its head in Massachusetts and won't really begin to be hammered home until next summer. Boehner has not be able to get a budget bill or continuing resolution passed by the house that can also be passed by the Senate.

    Obviously we will need to wait and see...but the Rasmussen polls you mention have diverged significantly from other national polls. Rasmussen does not conduct polls near election day so it is impossible to fairly evaluate his polls. It has, however, been suggested the polls are biased. The most damning of this negative information is that Scott Rasmussen has been a paid consultant to Republican candidates. It has been suggested that the intention of his polls is to sway rather than measure public opinion.
  • Out 'a ... Ken 2011/09/24 16:34:01 (edited)
    Out 'a here
    " The most damning of this negative information is that Scott Rasmussen has been a paid consultant to Republican candidates. It has been suggested that the intention of his polls is to sway rather than measure public opinion."

    And did this "damning" information come from an unbiased source?

    I don't really pay attention to public polling, but I am curious as to who "damns" vs. who "praises" such polling and who flip-flops with those descriptions depending on poll results.
  • Ken Out 'a ... 2011/09/24 19:50:35
    Ken
    It is a matter of public record that Scott provided polling services to the campaign of GW Bush.
  • Out 'a ... Ken 2011/09/24 19:55:05 (edited)
    Out 'a here
    That does not answer the question that I asked, but if it is PUBLIC RECORD, isn't that a good thing, as in nothing to hide?

    Providing polling services does not prove polling corruption.

    Maybe it does to you, however, since you are the one who always claims to have the "facts".

    Again, I was just curious as to the dis-credibility of Rasmussen by unbiased sources.
  • Ken Out 'a ... 2011/09/24 20:06:11
    Ken
    The Rasmussen polls are often different from other polls by a margin which exceeds the poll's estimated accuracy. This difference favors the Republicans. They are paid by the Republicans. So why would anybody believe their polls?
  • Out 'a ... Ken 2011/09/24 21:16:49
    Out 'a here
    Anyone can believe whatever they choose.

    But, if Rasmussen is paid to poll and it is made public record that they are paid to poll, they apparently have nothing to hide, and agree that people can make up their own minds as to what they want to believe.

    For instance, you believe they are biased or corrupted -- Have at it.

    And if anyone interested read your plethora of negativity toward Republicans and Bush vs. your plethora of positivity toward Democrats and Obama, it is not rocket science to see that you would be suspicious of Rasmussen.

    If you can prove they provide corrupted polss I will be glad to agree with you.

    But, you have only provided information that Rasmussen publicly provides for everyone.

    Too bad you couldn't beat them to the punch with all that public "fact".
  • Ken Out 'a ... 2011/09/24 19:54:16
    Ken
    Here is a link with that information for 2003-2004
    http://projects.publicintegri...
  • Out 'a ... Ken 2011/09/24 19:59:38
    Out 'a here
    The link doesn't work.

    But if it is a link showing that Rasmussen provided polling to the Bush campaign, save your effort.

    I have no problem with believing such.

    I simply want to know of unbiased sources with evidence that any polling services were corrupted.

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