Who Do You Think Will Ultimately Win the 2012 Election?

"You see that the debt went up 5 billion, but fail to realize it was projected to go up 7."

Five TRILLION, as in, $5,000,000,000,000. And your argument of "projection" is absolutely flawed as I will explain below.

"Had the Bush trend been going, it would've gone up $7 billion. You can't fix a budget in 4 years, you can't fix it in 8 either, unless you cut medicare and social security forever."

No not really... where the country really began going into the sh*tter was after the 2006 midterms. If anyone with working eye in politics knows what has happened since then, the Democrats took COMPLETE control of Congress (hello, that's the BUDGET too!). Just look at the budgets since then. Up until 2010, if Democrats didn't like what Republicans had to offer (which happened quite a bit), they could simply vote against them. They had such a majority trifecta from 2009-2011 that it wasn't even funny. And of course, HAD the budget even been IMPROVED, NOT worsened to a $1.5 trillion budget deficit, HAD ObamaCare been so great as you tout, HAD the progressive political machine been successful in trashing Republicans in Bush, YOUR buddies wouldn't have suffered HISTORIC losses in the House to Republicans in 2010.

But how does this all correlate to Obama? He's a continuation of the progressive-liberal policies that are BANKRUPTING this nation. Barack Obama's own budget was shot down in the House UNANIMOUSLY by EVERY Republican AND Democrat just a few weeks ago!!

You are 15 years old, fairly bright, but much to learn. OPEN YOURS EYES, STOP DRINKING THE KOOL AID!!!

"The reason the Obama budget was shot down was because Speaker Boehner let only the numbers be presented, not what those numbers were going to. No one would vote on something they can't see."

Then please explain why DEMOCRAT Harry Reid wouldn't even bring Obama's budget onto the Senate floor. It would've been a complete EMBARRASSMENT if he did so, because no way in hell is Obama's budget economically feasible.

" With the 2006 mid-terms until 2008, the Bush tax cuts, which cut revenue tremendously, had already been passed and weren't going to expire until 2009. You can't balance a budget with no revenue."

LOL. "No revenue"? The problem with the progressive-liberal ideology is that it looks to spending to solve the problem. We do not have a "revenue" problem. We have a SPENDING problem, and it is for a variety of reasons, the biggest of which is ENTITLEMENT spending. Just look at our current budget.

"And you say Obamacare isn't so great...it hasn't taken effect yet. It won't until 2014."

The problem with ObamaCare is its SUBSTANCE... and it will only get WORSE in 2014. The individual mandate, the federal government FORCING every man woman and child to purchase a product, is not only a major overstep of government that is unconstitutional, it will severely hurt small businesses and private sector companies that will be FORCED to cover their employees. Hell, these companies are already experiencing the hurt.

http://www.weeklystandard.com...

Don't get me wrong, health care in America can certainly use some work and improvement. But ObamaCare and MORE GOVERNMENT INTRUSION is NOT the answer!!

"I actually don't watch MSNBC."

LOL, you cannot be serious. It's so blatantly obvious.

"ANd the same goes for you and Fox."

Hahaha, nothing gets libs more antsy than Fox News!

"No it didn't, Obama made cuts in other parts of the budget to equal the cost of Obamacare."

Mommy and daddy aren't telling you the truth...

http://online.wsj.com/article...

"And larger companies have PLENTY of money, the cost to insure their employees would not take any dip in their massive profits."

You have absolutely no idea how a business works. But considering that you're only 15, it's understandable.

"Doesn't every American deserve health insurance?"

Of course every American DESERVES health care, but health care costs something called MONEY! It's not free, it's quite expensive, and getting government OUT of medicine is what will help bring costs DOWN.

"We have the worst health care system in the developed world, and the ACA is a giant step forward."

HAH! What a load of utter CRAP! You like waiting in lines for DAYS just for a check up? You think Canada's bureaucratic health care system is so good? Socialized medicine is the way to go? Costs will go down and quality will go up? WRONG!

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007...

http://www.politicsdaily.com/...

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-2...

http://www.city-journal.org/h...

The American health care system wasn't the best in the world, but it was certainly salvageable. Lefties try so hard to make us like Canada and Britain, and look where they are: IN THE TOILET.

"I watch cnn. Good unbiased news."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh I'm done. I'm done.

"And I know a better idea about business than you think, I help my parents run a small business."

You help out with the good ole mom and pop store at 15 years of age, and here you are proclaiming that big companies have "PLENTY of money" and "wouldn't take a dip in their profits". Sorry kiddo, but that's not credible.

"I like the idea that you are just quoting me and attempting to rip my argument to shreds instead of giving me a better solution than mine."

It's called argument and rebuttal. It's a life skill you will need wherever you go. And for the record dude, it's the internet. "Solutions" here, particularly this forum, mean nothing.

"That's the Republican template: rip Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and Biden, but have no better solution."

Oh we have solutions, but that's YOUR problem, you don't even see them as solutions. And what about the progressive template hmm? Blame Bush, blame the tea party, blame Republicans in the House. BLAME BLAME BLAME. ZERO responsibility.

"When there is no regulation, corporations abuse consumers."

Then you have misunderstood where I stand. I'm not a radical libertarian advocating for a 100% laissez faire economy. That doesn't solve anything. BUT, the regulations we have now, like the 35% capital gains tax which is now THE HIGHEST in the world, can definitely be lowered. Just one instance of unnecessary regulation that is hurting our job creators, and in turn, prolonging economic growth.

"Insurance could deny coverage to anyone for any reason whatsoever."

So? Go to another company. That's the beauty of competition and the free market. If one company is going to be an idiotic ass and not cover folks, another company certainly has the means to cater to those consumers. But of course, when government gets in the way, that competition starts to become nonexistent. Because, we've had government intervention since God knows when. Our system hasn't gotten better. It's getting worse.