Who Better Represents Our American Ideals ?

not Corporations like

But the Unions can go screw off.

Perhaps the unions of yesterday (1870-1940). The Unions today are just as bad as the Capitalists, they have become incorporated into the system and filled with corrupt members who don't care about their fellow workers.

As in the rest of the world has begun to do the USA needs to take back our country from the corporatists --- and QUIT protecting the Uber-wealthy!.

EXACTLY!

The engine of our economy is the strong middle class. Romney would take us back to the Republican policies that have created the greatest wealth disparity the country has seen in a century.

You said it!

Big Business and the wealthy represent one thing only, Profit before anything else!

Before people start spouting off about the wealthy working hard, 6 of the 10 wealthiest US Residents got their fortunes the old fashioned way, INHERITED IT! I do not call waiting on a family member to die is work!

First off: I dislike the black and white (meaning binary not race) division you have made here. I feel that as a whole neither of the options available really accurately answer the question.

None the less I will defend my position. I selected Big Business and the Wealthy because I believe that they exemplify innovation, commitment to excellence/success, and bettering one's position through hard work, cooperation, and creativity.

The 'average' american worker although values these qualities doesn't necessarily represent them. Now days the average american worker trades 8hrs/day for a pay check.

However, like I first stated. There are many examples of Big Business and the Wealthy that do not exemplify our American ideals.

*The listed ideals are not a comprehensive list of "American" ideals. Nor are they exclusively American.

The Democratic party = the average American worker.

THANK you!!!

Too bad the conservatively brainwashed can't see that.

true....

Abraham Lincoln said it best.

As long as the individual is working toward a bigger and brighter future for himself or his lineage, that is the American ideal. Whether its future corner store ownership or just home ownership. It could be just to afford ones children to attain the best educations possible.

On every level, up and down the scale. Pushing for a better brighter future IS the American Ideal.

the world is full of hard working folks..

America is one of the few countries that you can become a " big business OWNER " and be wealthy ..

that is one of the big thorns in the side of the liberals,, ( and just take a look at the WEALTH of the liberals in gov't .. ain't no poor people here , and yet they jump on the soap box and riddicle conservatives because the Rep. want ALL people to be able to start a business and live the American dream..

the liberals only want those in gov't to live the dream, all you others liberals stay on welfare and depend upon the gov't to house and feed you...

Your American Dream is Wealth ? How sad.

hmmm,,, are you asking me or telling me what my thoughts are ????
or are you just talking to hear your self speak ?

If you pay me I will tell you. I charge for answers from Money Worshippers.

hmm,, willing to pay you what you are worth ,

so , with that , your answer please ?

Your Mother says otherwise.

WTP is that ???

Quite contrary i think American is not an easy place to climb vertically. If you are born poor it is not easy to get out of poverty, and it is increasingly getting harder. It requires a strong socialist government to give everybody a fair chance to make it to the top. The American dream is best achieved with democratic values.

interesting post,, " requires a strong socialist gov't " to me, this system would make it much more difficult to climb ...

are not the socialist a horizontal type of cast system ?

I'd say that in a capitalistic environment there is more range, from the deeply poor to the filthy rich. And in this environment it is harder to move upwards and if you ever fall down it is quick and hard. In a socialistic environment there is no poor and there is much less rich. It's easier to move upwards in this environment and you get hurt if you fall.

Cast systems would be more applicable to a capitalistic environment. Rich, poor, middle class.

do not agree...

in a capitalistic system , any one, every one has the oportunity ( some have an unequal oprotunity due to gov't interference , aka affirmative action ) to either move upward , stay stagnant or drop down.. it is the free choice of the individual..

"in a socialistic society there is no poor " hmm, wonder if those millions of poor people in Cuba know that they are not poor ??? just saying...

I can not think of a socialistic society that the masses are not poor , and only the gov't and or the military are rich .. can you name any ?

Cuba is a dictatorship, not socialism. Take most countries in Europe. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, England, France, Germany. They have no poor people and that is thanks to socialism. And not only don't they have any poor, they have longer life expectancy, lower infancy mortality, healthier living, better health care than the US.

"in a capitalistic system , any one, every one has the oportunity"

Poor people in America has the same opportunity to get educated as rich people? And when poor people in America get sick they have the same chance of getting through their illness as a rich person? The answer is no and no. Everybody has an opportunity, but because of our system it is not an equal opportunity. In socialistic countries everybody has the same opportunity to get educated and survive illness.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think people in, for example Sweden, has less of a chance to become successful in life?

" no poor people in .... " wow, one of us has a distorted view of the rest of the world, I believe there are poor people in those countries that you listed,

no poor people thanks to socialism. again, one of us has distorted view.

and , I do not think it is me...

and yes, all people have the oportunity to succeed in America, some have a better oportunity , due to our parents taking advantage of the oportunity they had , and some have a less oportunity , due to their parents life style, but the oportunity exists for all...

as to Sweden, do not know, nor care.. sorta ignorant and apathtic to them.

Nothing a little statistics couldn't tell us:

1 in 150 people in the US is homeless
1 in 500 people in Sweden is homeless
1 in 330 people in Germany is homeless
1 in 250 people in Europe is homeless (that's including East Europe and other backwards places)

This is obviously not poverty, but homelessness and poverty goes hand in hand.

ok, now I am confused..
first there was " no poor people in Sweden "

then I read, 1 in 500 homeless..

does that mean that 1 in 500 are homeless in sweden, but they are not poor ? this is so confusing...

It's the Average American Worker who makes the Big Businesses Wealthy.

And i don't mean union workers, I mean the average joe.

Union Workers Definitely Qualify

SO SO agree

Sure, the unions of yesterday. Today's unions are just as greedy as the big businesses they supposedly "protect" you from.

Your evidence to support that statement is?

Seriously? If you have to ask you haven't been paying attention!

What I have been paying attention to are conservative blow hards making statements based on fairy tales and ALEC lies. I am a union member & my union has taken pretty good care of me! 2 times I was hospitalized for work related injuries. Instead of me filing a workers Comp claim, My union paid all the medical bills, (close to $200,000 worth) My business agent visited me in the hospital and the business manager sent me a get well card. My employer (that I worked for since 1986) accused me of "milking the system"