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Which Statement About the Relationship Between Social Power and Political Power do You Most Agree With?

The Bantam Seditioner 2012/05/05 19:02:38
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On the surface, it seems like kind of an esoteric or strange question, but if you look at it a bit deeper, this central question seems to be at the very heart of most if not all political disagreements.

Some people believe that government can be, and often is, the prime catalyst for social betterment and human advancement. They see government as the originator of most things that are "good" and "right", and individuals in their social capacity to be mostly unimportant to that grand design.

Others see and admire man's social advancement, but come to the conclusion that these changes happened *in spite of* - not because of - the often calamitous bumblings of an inefficient, archaic, and coercive central authority. These people see individuals and their great talent for invention and adaptability as the prime mover of social progress, with the political machinery as a redundant - and often downright destructive - component of the equation.

This question was inspired by the German sociologist Franz Oppenheimer,
and the American social commentator Albert Jay Nock, to whom I and many
others owe a great intellectual debt.
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  • Tinka123 2012/05/05 20:05:45 (edited)
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    Tinka123
    +8
    If by social power you mean "individual liberty" - then yes, this is the answer which best fits my position.

    It is the individual which does and should hold the power over their own lives, not society and certainly not govt. An individual should never be forced to think, act - live for the "good of society" OR govt.

    We as individuals do the most good when we choose on our own and act in our own interest, those actions often create positive effects for others as well. But the individual should NEVER be subordinated to the whims, will wishes of anyone other than themselves. That is the only way freedom can ever exist.

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  • Flowers 2012/05/07 13:49:27
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    Flowers
    +1
    I feel social advancement would happen, regardless of whether there was a governmental body in charge or not. We are a species of innovation, and constantly adapting. It's how we just work, and doesn't really rely on the government's involvement, IMO. I feel government stifles that natural way a lot of times.
    Government PRETENDS to be a prime catalyst for social betterment, but reality is they would rather every citizen was solely dependent on them. When we are dependent, we are more easily controlled.
  • Tinka123 Flowers 2012/05/07 14:04:21 (edited)
    Tinka123
    +1
    Exactly. It is the individual human mind which creates and advances human interests. The individual human advanced without any government at all - the individual human mind is what created the entire notion of govt. What came first, the chicken or the egg? lol
  • Flowers Tinka123 2012/05/07 14:36:41
    Flowers
    +1
    Exactly!!
  • HarleyCharley 2012/05/07 12:50:51
    Social power and political power are the same thing, or refer to roughly the ...
    HarleyCharley
    One leads to the other...
  • JanHopkins 2012/05/07 05:19:26
    Undecided
    JanHopkins
    I see political power as owned by those who have financial, military, and legal power at their beck and call. I see social power as those who have the media at their command. There is a third source of power that is quiet and unassuming and generaly busy working and surviving. The third power has the ability to throw a wrench in the workings of the other two powers at any time.
  • *K'eim*h3reg' *Peh2u *Meg' 2012/05/06 23:00:05
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    *K'eim*h3reg' *Peh2u *Meg'
    +1
    Individuals and voluntary associations are the social power. They are the driving force of American prosperity and freedom. Governments and special interests (including the crony-capitalists) are nothing more than parasites.
  • Tennessee3501 2012/05/06 20:12:30 (edited)
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    Tennessee3501
    The statement for which I voted makes it clear that all of NATO'S forces should be mobilized to assist the Republicans in winning their war on women! We have to keep them barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen covered in their burqas! LOL !
  • SuiJuris249 2012/05/06 19:17:02
    Social power and political power are the same thing, or refer to roughly the ...
    SuiJuris249
    +1
    To grasp what social power is we would have to understand what definition of Social is being used when speaking of Social power.

    http://dictionary.reference.c...

    Now the first four definitions have nothing to do with power they have to do with being polite and friendly to others and that means no power.

    It is the fifth (5th) definition that would need to be addressed when understanding the term Social Power.

    of or pertaining to human society, especially as a body divided into classes according to status: social rank.

    You will see that they talk about society as a body and not the individual then they talk about how that body is divided into classes according to rank. This is just how most governments or political powers are setup according to class and rank.

    I notice that there is no place really for Individual Rights in most social or political structures you either go by what the majority or those in a higher rank say or they try to put your head on a chopping block.

    An I do not see where you owe a debt to any socialist thinker. They are constantly thinking at odds against your Individual Rights.
  • Pops 2012/05/06 15:57:40
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    Pops
    +1
    guessed right
  • bob h. 2012/05/06 14:14:15
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    bob h.
    +2
    "When the Government lives in fear of the People, there is Democracy. When the People live in fear of the Government, there is Tyranny". Thomas Jefferson, I think; or it sounds like him anyway. If you asked Joseph Campbell, he'd say: spell People with a capital and government lower case.
  • irish -liberty or death! 2012/05/06 12:25:38
    Social power and political power are the same thing, or refer to roughly the ...
    irish -liberty or death!
    +4
    there is little difference since the goal is basically the same,how to coerce the masses to a particular point of view.
  • TheR 2012/05/06 08:28:40 (edited)
    None of the above
    TheR
    +1
    Neither are worth a shake of salt, when there is no Justice. You like to frame questions about government vs. social power, when in fact it has much to do with stopping Lying Wars, and the Rich Elite who only want War, and control of other peoples lives. And when government is able to stop that, in the same moment you twist the knife deeper into the heart of humanity by claiming Government is impotent. Americans truly enjoy torture.

    Bush Torture  photo
  • The One 2012/05/06 05:26:01
    None of the above
    The One
    Social power is empowered by people of faith and the political power is from the people.
  • bob h. The One 2012/05/06 14:20:51
    bob h.
    +1
    OK; the Pope, the President, and a 5 Star General each give a different order. Which order actually takes effect? Answer: Whoever the people decide to follow.
  • The One bob h. 2012/05/06 16:50:36
    The One
    Amen brother!!!The children of Israel wanted to kill Moses, even after being rescued supernaturally by God through Moses!!!
  • Swampdog 2012/05/06 04:57:41
    None of the above
    Swampdog
    +1
    I've no idea what social power is, however Americans are systematically being robbed of their personal freedoms at an alarming rate, by those with political power.
  • David Lindner 2012/05/06 04:10:13
    Social power and political power are different, but a rise in one tends to pr...
    David Lindner
    +1
    wait i selected the wrong one. i meant theyre at odds. if a rise in both occur, then you get a DICTATORSHIP
  • Pat 2012/05/06 03:51:11
    Social power and political power are different, but a rise in one tends to pr...
    Pat
    We are a huge and complex country with great diversity, ability and needs among our citizens. We are unique among the countries of the world. A strong central government is absolutely necessary in order for us to coalesce into one, strong, united citizenry while still maintaining services and programs that benefit all of us. It would be sheer lunacy to have 50 states operating as separate entities when it comes to certain functions. We already see some of that today in the assault on women's rights. We will need the Federal Government to step in and resolve these issues or start the process for adding an Amendment to the Constitution. We aren't the 13 colonies anymore.
  • stevmackey 2012/05/06 03:32:23
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    stevmackey
    I think you mean Socialist.
  • The Truth 2012/05/06 03:03:19
    None of the above
    The Truth
    +1
    Political power is the only REAL power. It takes social networking to achieve prominence in politics. Political leaders have always been chosen based on social standing, status in society, above any vision, or clear genius of any non-charismatic candidate, are candidate with a non 'sexy' message.

    Sam Cook was a great singer. He chose many acts that became greats themselves. He said the way to tell a good singer, was to close your eyes and listen... People should do the same with political candidates. Forget the labels, the suits with flag pins on the lapels, the baby kissing and the 'winning team quarterback smiles'.. And listen to their words, and hold them to their past words. See how many are consistent.
  • DeeB 2012/05/06 02:19:48
    None of the above
    DeeB
    +4
    No idea, I didn't know there was any social power. It's all political, isn't it?
  • SuiJuri... DeeB 2012/05/06 19:19:44
    SuiJuris249
    +1
    Actually they are not they use social power to control and manipulate political power so basically its a means to pervert the true American system of protecting Individuals rights.
  • DeeB SuiJuri... 2012/05/06 20:30:12
    DeeB
    +1
    Thank you Sui, I didn't get it at first, I was a little confused, but I do get it now. It's all so insane if you ask me!
  • Bozette 2012/05/06 00:46:51
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    Bozette
    +7
    The bigger the government gets, the less freedom we have.
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/05/06 00:39:33
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +3
    The prime motive for "social legislation" is to guard against the natural tendency of government to undermine social institutions.
  • Cliff 2012/05/05 23:35:07
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    Cliff
    +3
    Political power needs to be limited as the writers of the US Constitution intended. Still government is very devious as the US government has been and finds ways around the limitations established by the constitution, When this happens, the constitution must be amended or the the political power will eventually become totalitarian.
  • Philo-Publius 2012/05/05 23:11:39
    Social power and political power are the same thing, or refer to roughly the ...
    Philo-Publius
    +5
    Here's the Publius contribution to socio-political thought, which, if I could instill but one concept into the minds of the masses and of political philosophers and have it take hold (other than that people always have the government they deserve, and that a government is a true and accurate reflection of the state of the spirituality and morality of a people – unchangeable without resort first to altering the latter), this might be it:

    There is no difference, save in name, between that which we call 'government' and that which we call 'private': There are, in these and in all social structures wherein power resides, nothing but associations of PEOPLE, pure and simple.

    soylent
    ”It was people all along...”

    If this is true, then social and political power are identical.
  • 9th of 9 2012/05/05 23:08:23
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    9th of 9
    +4
    Our sovereign right to individualism was once a promise under our laws. Political power has taken that social right away, or at least drastically regulated it. Restrictions deter Growth.
  • SuiJuri... 9th of 9 2012/05/06 19:23:54
    SuiJuris249
    Please see the definition of social in my statement above and realize that Individual rights have nothing to do with anything social. Where do those individual rights come from? If you claim the come from anything but your creator out side this world then you leave them able to be changed by others via society in this world.

    So remember your INDIVIDUALISM and its RIGHTS come not from any part of society or in other words political group but from YOUR creator.

    Also you might want to think upon the term THE BODY POLITIC and understand what it means.
  • 9th of 9 SuiJuri... 2012/05/06 19:50:28
    9th of 9
    My individual rights come from my creator. I share my individualism through social settings within my community, and gathered friends. Political power more and more is restricting that sovereign right for me to do so.
  • Dan™: Real Change, Not Fals... 2012/05/05 22:59:51
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    Dan™: Real Change, Not False Hope
    +2
    "Others see and admire man's social advancement, but come to the conclusion that these changes happened *in spite of* - not because of - the often calamitous bumblings of an inefficient, archaic, and coercive central authority. These people see individuals and their great talent for invention and adaptability as the prime mover of social progress, with the political machinery as a redundant - and often downright destructive - component of the equation."

    I'm definitely one of these people.
  • mustangluver 2012/05/05 21:32:58
    Social power and political power are the same thing, or refer to roughly the ...
    mustangluver
    +2
    Great question..Social power is the ability to influence the behavior of others with or without resistance. Ppl "want" to be lead..submissive. Politics is the running governmental or state affairs..therefore social and political power pretty much go hand in hand...Political power is the ability to shape and control the political behavior of others and to lead and guide their behavior in the direction desired by the person, group, or institution wielding the political power. Political power is the capacity to influence, condition, mold, and control human behavior for the accomplishment of political objectives. That is to say, political power is the ability of one political actor--e.g., an individual citizen, a family, an interest group, a political action committee, a political party, or the government--to effect a desired change in the behavior of other political actors, persuading or forcing the latter to act in a manner they would not act in the absence of the former's impact on the situation.
  • lee 2012/05/05 21:32:30
    None of the above
    lee
    +1
    this is a false dichotomy.

    there is no "zero sum" equation between these two things and they are not connected except by coincidence.
  • Dan™: R... lee 2012/05/05 23:02:02
    Dan™: Real Change, Not False Hope
    +2
    It is not a false dichotomy, and the fact that you think it is goes a long way towards explaining why you are a Statist, yet incorrectly call yourself a "liberal."
  • lee Dan™: R... 2012/05/06 20:11:50
    lee
    can you explain that comment or are you just good at throwing the word "statist" out like a pejorative when you fell you are cornered.

    are you an anarchist?.. you talk like one.
  • Dan™: R... lee 2012/05/07 03:33:28
    Dan™: Real Change, Not False Hope
    Sure, I can explain it. And I already did explain my view of modern so-called "liberals" and "Statists" to you, in fact, on a separate poll. You didn't have any real response.

    And no, I'm not an anarchist, I'm a Constitutional conservative and a Libertarian.
  • lee Dan™: R... 2012/05/07 05:24:25
    lee
    you're reinventing the terms to suit your views?

    its impossible to communicate with someone who holds their own secret definition of terms important to the debate.

    you seem to be one of those persons.... perhaps that is your entire goal.... to talk in circles for your own self aggrandizement.
  • Dan™: R... lee 2012/05/07 16:18:47
    Dan™: Real Change, Not False Hope
    I've told you in great detail what I mean when I use the word "statist" and I'm not inclined to repeat myself. You're being obtuse and pretending I never gave you an explanation.
  • lee Dan™: R... 2012/05/07 16:44:58
    lee
    seem familiar?
  • Denny 2012/05/05 21:27:12
    Social power and political power are constantly at odds. Wherever political ...
    Denny
    +1
    Again the same Barbara Striesand for everyone because the political power can't help everyone so lump everyone in few groups and hope it covers everyone a little. All they have to help is 51% It doesn't work except for certain items such as Postal, Roads, Military. It's crap on education, any social safty nets for the poor. Because it makes ambition and pride go out the window and when you take away the mama pig tit. People die because they have no Idea how to live without it.

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