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Which is worse: Gays in the Military or Neo-Nazi's in the Military??
Torchy June 15, 2009 19:11:35
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After going through some poll questions on here and debating/arguing, this thought came to my head: we have "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" still firmly in place...yet our military would hand over weapons to gang members and the KKK? Is it better or worse to have homosexuals or criminals in our military?
"Since the launch of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. military has struggled to recruit and reenlist troops. As the conflicts have dragged on, the military has loosened regulations, issuing "moral waivers" in many cases, allowing even those with criminal records to join up. Veterans suffering post-traumatic stress disorder have been ordered back to the Middle East for second and third tours of duty."*
If we are so desperate for troops, why not allow someone who is of sane mind to join regardless of sexuality and openness about it instead of someone who will use the Military as a breeding ground for criminal and gang activity? Am I the only one seeing very little sense to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" when this is knowingly going on?
*cite: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/06/15/neo_nazis_army/
"Since the launch of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. military has struggled to recruit and reenlist troops. As the conflicts have dragged on, the military has loosened regulations, issuing "moral waivers" in many cases, allowing even those with criminal records to join up. Veterans suffering post-traumatic stress disorder have been ordered back to the Middle East for second and third tours of duty."*
If we are so desperate for troops, why not allow someone who is of sane mind to join regardless of sexuality and openness about it instead of someone who will use the Military as a breeding ground for criminal and gang activity? Am I the only one seeing very little sense to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" when this is knowingly going on?
*cite: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/06/15/neo_nazis_army/
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Allowing Neo-Nazi's/Gang Members in the Military is worse because...
Both should be allowed in...
Hell if I know!
That said. It isn't like they are taking our most violent of criminals out of jail before they have served their sentence. We are talking about people who have already served their time. Which means they have paid their debt to society. If we are so desperate why not use them both?
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Allowing Homosexuals (openly) in the Military is worse because...
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It made my day to hear from someone who has had this experience.
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i think that, gays not being aloud in the army,
why would you even want to be in the army ???
i supose its all about having the choice if you want to, i nearly joined one time.... but i'm a real dumb ass
Hell if I know!
Having to hide who you are, on the other hand, undermines your ability to bond with your fellow soldiers or act as a cohesive unit.
How would gay men feel if straight women tried to hit on them, or gay women feel if straight men tried to hit on them? It goes both ways.
Most people only bother hitting on other people if they have a chance. If they know the other person isn't interested, they usually won't bother wasting the time, energy, or risking the rejection. This actually goes doubly for gay people as they risk getting beaten up or treated with disgust if they hit on someone who isn't gay, so they are often extra careful.
All of that aside, gay people have just as much professionalism as straight people (meaning, some do and some don't, both are just as capable of being obnoxiously inappropriate), they have a job to do. Making eyes at your teammates, straight, gay, male, or female adversely impacts performance, and any responsible human being, gay or straight, male or female will avoid it.
To insinuate that gay people in general have less of a sense of propriety is insulting. If straight people are uncomfortable around a gay person because they are afraid of being hit on they are both full of themselves and too insecure to just say, "Sorry, I'm not interested." Both are the straight person's problem and have nothing to do with anything the gay person actually does.
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How would gay men feel if straight women tried to hit on them, or gay women feel if straight men tried to hit on them? It goes both ways.
Most people only bother hitting on other people if they have a chance. If they know the other person isn't interested, they usually won't bother wasting the time, energy, or risking the rejection. This actually goes doubly for gay people as they risk getting beaten up or treated with disgust if they hit on someone who isn't gay, so they are often extra careful.
All of that aside, gay people have just as much professionalism as straight people (meaning, some do and some don't, both are just as capable of being obnoxiously inappropriate), they have a job to do. Making eyes at your teammates, straight, gay, male, or female adversely impacts performance, and any responsible human being, gay or straight, male or female will avoid it.
To insinuate that gay people in general have less of a sense of propriety is insulting. If straight people are uncomfortable around a gay person because they are afraid of being hit on they are both full of themselves and too insecure to just say, "Sorry, I'm not interested." Both are the straight person's problem and have nothing to do with anything the gay person actually does.
As for your school experience, I don't know where you live, but everywhere I've been, I've seen more straight people trying to "convert" gay people. What you've described smacks of second hand demonization.
Try educating yourself, getting to know some gay people so that you can actually speak with knowledge.
Yes, they are there to serve. A part of that is building a team that can trust and depend on each other. Once a team is on the battle field, they need to know and trust each other. DADT disrupts that dynamic and puts gay service members in an unnecessarily hostile environment.
Allowing Neo-Nazi's/Gang Members in the Military is worse because...
Hell if I know!
In the same way we see the feminists speak such anger and hatred towards men concerning rape, have you ever wondered how a man would react in relation to fear or pain of being raped? And who would rape a man? Why, another man right and that means a gay man because a straight man wouldn't do this... maybe a bisexual man but still, it is a homosexual act.
Take that knowledge and ask how a woman who hates men might react if forced into closed quarters with him and if she could keep things professional or not take things personal if he accidentally puts his arm around her reaching for something and gets too close for comfort. Then ask if women have been raped in the military... answer there is yes and the military often trys to hush it up right?? Now what if it's a man who gets raped? He's in the military... he's supposed to be macho and strong... then he's overpowered and raped... is...
In the same way we see the feminists speak such anger and hatred towards men concerning rape, have you ever wondered how a man would react in relation to fear or pain of being raped? And who would rape a man? Why, another man right and that means a gay man because a straight man wouldn't do this... maybe a bisexual man but still, it is a homosexual act.
Take that knowledge and ask how a woman who hates men might react if forced into closed quarters with him and if she could keep things professional or not take things personal if he accidentally puts his arm around her reaching for something and gets too close for comfort. Then ask if women have been raped in the military... answer there is yes and the military often trys to hush it up right?? Now what if it's a man who gets raped? He's in the military... he's supposed to be macho and strong... then he's overpowered and raped... is he going to tell? And if he does, will anything be done about it risking the media finding out? If a man rapes another man in the military... expect a casualty from friendly fire or the rapist to be soundly beaten by other officers if they learn about it.
Gay men have every right to serve as a straight man. But before addressing this as homophobia alone... please consider that the underlying phobia may not be that their fellow officer is gay, it may be the same as any woman who fears being raped. Don't oversimplify it as gay bashing or homophobia as these men are standing together just like feminists do towards men...
As for Neo Nazi's. If they want to kill maim and destroy... if that's your objective, then who better to send in as shock troops because you know they'll have no problem doing that.
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So who would I rather have beside me, armed and dangerous, in whom I'd have to place my trust?
Wow, that was easy! :D
Allowing Neo-Nazi's/Gang Members in the Military is worse because...
Neither should be allowed in...
I do have a point. We as a species like to fight. I think it is absolutly necesary for our existance. Without war we would have no peace. Hah! I abhore some of the stupid reasons we do this for sometimes, but I honestly don't think we would make it long living in peace. Damn shame to.
we as a species are intelligent enough to sort things out without fighting, we're just too selfish to do so.
"the biggest tragedy of war is that it uses man's best to do man's worst".
it shouldn't happen. war, i mean. it's awful, no matter what you say you cannot say it is a good thing. we don't need it, the only reason it happens is because a small handful of people who happen to be in power can't negotiate things like adults and sort it out without resorting to violence. maybe women should have more power, we are less agressive.
ps- the quote in speach marks isn't mine. i read it on a poster, but it's still really true. :)