Which is the bigger problem facing the government?

L.A. Times 2013/01/02 15:35:58
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The House voted Tuesday to roll back income tax increases on the vast majority of Americans, finalizing a deal on the so-called fiscal cliff after weeks of gridlock. The approval, in a session that stretched late into the New Year's holiday, came after hours of closed-door debate among Republicans, with conservatives threatening to derail a bill that had overwhelmingly passed the Senate in the early hours of the morning.

The final tally, 257 to 167, included support from 172 of the chamber's Democrats and just 85 of the majority Republicans, far fewer than half. The vote divided House GOP leaders, with the second- and third-ranking Republicans, Eric Cantor of Virginia and Kevin McCarthy of Bakersfield, among the 151 in their party voting no. Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio), casting a rare vote, and Rep. Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), the House Budget Committee chairman and 2012 vice presidential nominee, voted in favor.


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  • The Andoxico 2013/01/14 15:03:47
    The Andoxico
    if you look at people under the poverty line...they're poor because of all the bills they have to pay and all the mouths they have to feed, not that they don't get enough money. while making more money could help, a more immediate solution would be to cut spending
  • wendy420 2013/01/10 05:33:28
    And Presidents Obama's addiction to Air Force One!!
  • Bastion 2013/01/07 16:07:37
    The gigantic military/industrial weapons government/military combine.

    THAT'S what ALL this spending is about - the rest is meaningless in light of the huge amount of American treasure turned into weapons for sale and stockpiling - weapons for wars that can never be fought - weapons to fill up the planet.

    huge american military spending out of control

    defense spending world  poverty graphic
  • Bastion 2013/01/19 14:06:12
    Meanwhile, a part of the spending that IS just as large is completely meaningless. He spends so much on his own family's pleasure it's infuriating.
  • Bastion 2013/01/19 14:17:15
    "He spends so much on his own family's pleasure it's infuriating"


    The mentality underlying this attitude among the far right toward the president is some of the ugliest stuff I've seen. It's not specifically racism - although I do believe race is a contributing factor . . . . it's classism; it's that nauseating belief among certain people that their culture, or class, or birth, or race, or wealth, or political choices, makes the WORST of their "own" kind better than the BEST of the hated group.

    It's like the vacation myth - GWB took 10 times as many vacations as Obama, but every time Obama takes days away the right comes down hard.

    The epitome was the NRA ad . . . GWB had Secret Service protection for his children, but Obama is the "elitist hypocrit".
  • Warning 2013/01/07 04:54:26
    I do not consider myself a politician, but I am aware that when it comes to political haggling, what will usually happen results in a do nothing Congress, as it has been for quite so time.

    But then again, I am prejudiced, because it is known that there is a whole lot of corruption going on these days in the high up end of the now elite!
  • Warning 2013/01/19 14:07:02
    Especially in the Executive branch.
  • Kunschner 2013/01/07 04:22:55
    Anyone who says under-taxation.........
  • Bailey C 2013/01/07 03:16:49 (edited)
    Bailey C
    Lets see... Spending is about 23% of GDP, close to where it typically is. Revenue is at around 16% of GDP, much lower than where it is typically. Thus you have a deficit and a growing debt. Anyone who argues spending is the problem is ignoring the facts.
  • Kunschner Bailey C 2013/01/07 04:20:54
    Well, why not just tax and spend 100%!?
    Silly statist.
  • Bailey C Kunschner 2013/01/07 16:18:12
    Bailey C
    Because then we would be communists! Silly anarchist.
  • Kunschner Bailey C 2013/01/07 19:15:21
    "The differences among statist systems are only a matter of time and degree; the principle is the same."
    You endorse 20% but can't bring yourself to endorse 100%. Very hypocritical of you.
  • Bailey C Kunschner 2013/01/08 03:32:12
    Bailey C
    And you endorse 0% making you an anarchist.. But you live in the US.. Very hypocritical of you.
  • Kunschner Bailey C 2013/01/08 18:38:33
    Actually I don't live in the U.S. but even if I did it wouldn't be hypocritical to be encompassed inside of imaginary lines.
  • Bailey C 2013/01/19 14:11:28
    There are anarchists in America. There are Communists and even Nazi's still around. Obama respects them all, by the way. Just not the Conservatives. A@$#%&*.
  • Bailey C 2013/01/19 14:09:48
    He was being sarcastic, dufus.
  • Warning Bailey C 2013/01/07 16:40:33
    Totally agree! When spending is far greater than receipts for a long time, plus adding on to the borrowing from foreign countries, what you have is a state of "in the red". One can never get out of debt if they continue to have to borrow, to even pay their daily interest.

    A national government can never borrow, spend more than its income and expect to stay in the black for very long. Staying in the red financially for a long time is detrimental to the nation.
  • Warning 2013/01/19 14:14:32
    Ya know, Obama spends more than he brings in. And he just raised the Debt Cieling AGAIN!
    "It's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic."-Obama.
    "Raising the Debt Cieling isn't about spending, it's about paying our bills." - Obama- Paying our bills IS spending, moron.
  • Bailey C 2013/01/19 14:09:16
    Yeah, I'll bet that the all-knowing Bill Maher has all the facts. You better figure out what you're actually talking about, and then, when you have the "facts" of the Democrats, go to the Republican media. I do that.
  • Bailey C 2013/01/19 15:59:56 (edited)
    Bailey C
    I didn't get my facts from the media. That is a terrible place to get facts, opinions great place, facts terrible. Are you arguing we don't have a 23/16 spending/revenue to GDP mix right now? Or that revenue is historically closer to 20%? Until the Bush tax cuts, Bush recession, yet,the conservative media act like taxes are the highest they've ever been, horrible at facts.
  • BornToBeWild 2013/01/07 02:28:07
    MAJOR OVERSPENDING! Way too many PORK, EARMARKS, overpaid politicians not worthy of their large pay checks, and way too much personal spending for the Obama family!
  • BornToB... 2013/01/19 14:15:14
    Yea-yah! Someone got it!
  • JJ 2013/01/07 02:17:06
    Overspending, but the biggest problem is Government its self !
  • Cal Woodrow 2013/01/07 02:00:27
    Cal Woodrow
    It isn't a matter of just being government spending or under-taxation. It's a combination of both.
  • Cal Woo... 2013/01/19 14:15:44
    Good point, I guess.
  • CaptnSassy 2013/01/06 19:45:20
    Actually the biggest problem facing the government is Mitch McConnell.
    Ditch Mitch
  • RH CaptnSassy 2013/01/06 21:00:25
    So because he stands up for what he believes is right he is the biggest problem? Because he does what he feels is best by representing his state and "blocking" legislation that he doesn't approve of? That makes him the problem?

    Please explain.
  • JeffDeWitt CaptnSassy 2013/01/06 21:58:37
    McConnell?!? Harry Reid is the one who controls the Senate.

    And just how IS that budget coming anyway?
  • santa6642 2013/01/06 18:31:14 (edited)
  • Apache 2013/01/06 18:14:40
  • santa6642 Apache 2013/01/06 18:31:47
  • ronbo 2013/01/06 15:48:43
    You can tax the crap out of everybody and nothing will change and perhaps get worse if they don,t do something about the excessive spending. The avarage American family learned years ago to live within their means why can,t government?
  • Michael Hertel 2013/01/06 14:26:36
    Michael Hertel
    Overspending however is in part being caused by over taxing corporations which if they did not need to pay or even file corporate income taxes might make it possible that nearly everyone would be employed.
  • 2bad4u Michael... 2013/01/06 15:39:32 (edited)
  • ComeOnNow 2013/01/06 14:21:32
    The facts are that raising taxes kills jobs and opportunity, and you could raise taxes 100% on the rich and it would not cover spending. It is that simple. With all of the waste and corruption in government, it amazes me that anyone says there should be more taxing and giving the government more of what we earn. Are you tools oblivious? The rich give 40% of everything they earn to federal taxes alone. That means they spend half their damn lives working for corrupt politicians. And really where does it go? Foreign countries that hate us, policing the world, a bunch of lazy ass able bodied people that steal it because they refuse to take personal responsibility. Are you freaking kidding me. I would bet that a vast majority of those that say raise taxes are economically clueless and very likely pay little to no taxes.
  • 2bad4u ComeOnNow 2013/01/06 15:42:32
  • ComeOnNow 2bad4u 2013/01/06 16:58:45
    It sounds to me like you are freaking delusional. Clearly taxes are not the only factor in an economy but the bloated and wasteful government sucking money from the productive is never a good thing for the economy. You can't even begin to explain how.
  • Warning ComeOnNow 2013/01/07 16:43:47
    Tell me something please. You seem to have your head screwed on tight and right. When was the last president that didn't seem to have huge corruption within the fold of the American government? I'm almost 66 years old, and can't seem to remember when there wasn't huge corruption, even up to the top levels of government.
  • ComeOnNow Warning 2013/01/08 03:26:31
    Isn't that the best argument on why we need to
    Give the corrupt goons less of our hard earned money to
    Piss away and more power over our lives. They do
    Nothing right.
  • gregory.brown.5030 2013/01/06 13:54:30
    Tax and spend!! Oh, Obamanomics
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