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JMCC 2012/08/09 14:45:33
Competition
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A little of both (please explain how)
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  • Rich Matarese 2012/08/19 14:52:16
    Competition
    Rich Matarese
    Whenever one answers "Cooperation," some authoritarian son of a bitch comes along to appoint himself to "manage" the cooperation, and it winds up the same kind of "Cooperation" found in an ant hill.

    Human beings are not hive-dwelling insects.
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  • JMCC Rich Ma... 2012/08/19 14:53:10
    JMCC
    Not yet :)
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  • Z 2012/08/15 03:46:32
    Competition
    Z
    Depends on the situation, but more often competition. Price collusion is an example of cooperation, while sales and price decline are an example of competition. Better work pay and benefits Google uses to pull employees is another example of competition. In a work space, sales competitions can dramatically increase sales, while cooperation can also help with big changes and ideas. It really depends on the situation. But there is a reason most charities do competitions to raise money. It works.
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  • Monkey D. Luffy 2012/08/10 08:57:41
    Competition
    Monkey D. Luffy
    +1
    I work best alone..
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  • JMCC Monkey ... 2012/08/10 09:45:19 (edited)
    JMCC
    Sometimes I do too, yet there are many things that one person is unable to do alone...

    "no man is an Island.."
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  • Monkey ... JMCC 2012/08/10 11:30:41
    Monkey D. Luffy
    +1
    I don't mind a bit of advise on how to get the task done faster or things like that..or even somebody to joke around with during my break or something..but for work, best to leave me alone.
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  • Don Leuty 2012/08/10 08:44:54
    Competition
    Don Leuty
    +1
    Competition leads to a better mouse-trap. Cooperation often serves only to distribute blame.
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  • JMCC Don Leuty 2012/08/10 09:43:36
    JMCC
    +1
    Don't you think that people play the "blame game" even in a competitive environment?

    After all as long as someone is pointing the finger at others they don't have to consider what responsibility that they bear...
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  • Don Leuty JMCC 2012/08/10 10:00:43
    Don Leuty
    Pointing the fingers at others is behavior designed to distract a consensus and may be considered reactive behavior. Competition fosters proactive behavior
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  • Victoria 2012/08/10 08:39:57
    A little of both (please explain how)
    Victoria
    +1
    because you want to have a little bit of a challenge in your life and a little cooperation!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • JMCC Victoria 2012/08/10 09:47:12
    JMCC
    All of mankind's best achievements have been accomplished that way. ;)
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  • Stormy 2012/08/10 08:29:16
    Cooperation
    Stormy
    +1
    Competition means you have one winner. Cooperation means everybody wins. Cooperation is better.
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  • JMCC Stormy 2012/08/10 09:46:08
    JMCC
    +1
    I agree.
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  • Z Stormy 2012/08/15 03:48:26
    Z
    Not at all. Millions of people benefited from the competition between companies that has led to the technology we have today. Computers, smart phones, cars, are all both available and affordable directly because of competition.
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  • Stormy Z 2012/08/15 06:32:33
    Stormy
    +1
    What about all the companies that have gone under with people losing their livelihoods because of pac- man competition eating giants. The end result of competition is monopoly. What about Big Oil buying up all the patents for sustainable energy systems and sitting on them so they won't be produced ? What about Bain style hostile takeovers and cannabalizing the competition?
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  • Z Stormy 2012/08/15 07:43:52
    Z
    Actually, Bain saved far more companies than went under, and 100% of the companies he bought would have gone under anyway. It isn't cannibalizing. What about all the people who loose from price collusion? What about all the people in Africa, who, because of Africa's very cooperation oriented individual societies, die without the modern technologies their socialized and near socialized economies have prevented from spreading appropriately. Big oil buying up all the patented for sustainable energy systems is a myth. There are hundreds of companies that have patents for sustainable energy, this idea is simply a fear tactic used by ill informed people. As to competition being monopoly, that isn't true. The exact opposite is the case. Cooperation between government and business is why Wal-Mart has a near monopoly in their industry, why Big oil is so massive (oil is owned by the federal government in every country except for the USA, and it has caused massive corruption, is responsible the actions of murderers such as Qaddafi, Hussein and Bin Laden, more so even than the US is responsible for them.) Monopolies can occur in the free market, but are far more likely when they receive cooperation from the federal government.
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  • Stormy Z 2012/08/16 08:12:09
    Stormy
    Ahaha. . .I'll let you get back to watching faux "news ". . .
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  • Z Stormy 2012/08/16 08:50:41
    Z
    +1
    I don't watch fox news. Instead of personal attacks, just admit you can't make any valid points. Personal attacks show that, not only has a person lost, but they are too immature to admit it, and to closed minded to consider the other point of view.
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  • Stormy Z 2012/08/16 09:52:07
    Stormy
    " admit you can't make any valid points. . . " None of the points you made were valid. You're right though, accusing someone of Fox News watching is a grave insult. I agree with you there.
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  • Z Stormy 2012/08/16 10:52:12
    Z
    +1
    Actually, they were all clear and logical. You haven't justified your position in anyway. This conversation is clearly going nowhere however.
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  • Stormy Z 2012/08/16 11:20:42
    Stormy
    Vulture capitalism saves more companies than it destroys ?
    You use price fixing as an example of cooperation ?
    Lumping the many different countries and regimes of Africa together and calling them socialized ?
    Stating that socialism prevents technology somehow ??
    Patent buying by Big Oil a myth ?
    Wal-mart an industry ?
    Wal-mart a monopoly ?
    Where do you start ? None of these things are true let alone valid.
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  • Z Stormy 2012/08/16 11:36:25
    Z
    +1
    Every single one is true. I didn't lump all of Africa together as socialized. That said, much of developed Africa is socialized. Niger, Nigeria, nearly all of developed north Africa, etc.

    There is no such thing as vulture capitalism. Venture capitalism only works if the company is saved, so "cannibalising" it doesn't make sense. The Venture company only makes money by buying up the controlling majority of the company, making it successful, and either making money off of the company or selling it for more than they bought it for. It is ultimately the house flipping of the business world. Or are you going to say that house flipping is bad too?

    I never said that "Big Oil" didn't buy patents. That was your misinterpretation of my statement. I said that they don't buy up all of them, and that there are plenty in the market not owned by oil companies.

    Price fixing is the definition of cooperation.

    I never said Wal-mart was an industry, I said it was part of an industry.

    Yeah, you have nothing, so instead you just keep making short, baseless statements and hope that I can't clearly refute your statements, which I have and can.

    Not to mention, you haven't stated a single example of successful cooperation. So, not only can you not refute the benefits of competition, you made a couple of ...
    Every single one is true. I didn't lump all of Africa together as socialized. That said, much of developed Africa is socialized. Niger, Nigeria, nearly all of developed north Africa, etc.

    There is no such thing as vulture capitalism. Venture capitalism only works if the company is saved, so "cannibalising" it doesn't make sense. The Venture company only makes money by buying up the controlling majority of the company, making it successful, and either making money off of the company or selling it for more than they bought it for. It is ultimately the house flipping of the business world. Or are you going to say that house flipping is bad too?

    I never said that "Big Oil" didn't buy patents. That was your misinterpretation of my statement. I said that they don't buy up all of them, and that there are plenty in the market not owned by oil companies.

    Price fixing is the definition of cooperation.

    I never said Wal-mart was an industry, I said it was part of an industry.

    Yeah, you have nothing, so instead you just keep making short, baseless statements and hope that I can't clearly refute your statements, which I have and can.

    Not to mention, you haven't stated a single example of successful cooperation. So, not only can you not refute the benefits of competition, you made a couple of bad examples of supposed negative outcomes of competition that are neither true, nor would they actually prove your point if they were, and then can't actually prove your position. You are standing on weaker ground than a birther or creationist. You should be ashamed.
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  • Stormy Z 2012/08/16 12:10:49
    Stormy
    Oh you didn't lump all of the peoples of Africa together ?
    " What about all the people in Africa who, because of Africa's coop. . .etc etc "
    Didn't call Wal-mart an industry ?
    ". . .Walmart has a near monopoly in their industry etc etc "
    You are just mincing words. "...price fixing is the definition of cooperation. . " I'm surprised you didn't use the mafia as an example of business cooperation.
    Name an example of cooperation. How about the biggest dairy company in the world. Fonterra. A NZ cooperative. There are many examples of successful cooperatives in business. In medical care, insurance banking, agriculture, etc etc.
    Now who is using Ad Hominum attacks again ? Weaker ground than a birther or creationist ? Phhht.
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  • Z Stormy 2012/08/16 13:33:17
    Z
    +1
    With the Africa comment, did you think I couldn't look back and see my own post? That it wasn't obvious the reason you stopped where you did, because it was a clear lie?

    I'm not mincing words. I said exactly what I meant, and it is pretty clear. Just because it shows your attempt to twist my words, doesn't make the difference significant.

    I didn't feel the need to bring in the Mafia, it isn't relevant to this conversation. You're Example of a "cooperative" is still competing within the market place. The cooperative structure is a result of the competitive market, and the attempt to find the best business structure for productivity. Even you examples help prove my point.

    I made no personal attacks. I pointed out how weak your argument is. That is what a debate is. I made no insults, no attacks on your person, only your position.

    Again, no significant points, vague, baseless attacks, and now back tracking. Please, continue. This is humorous.
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  • Rich Ma... Z 2012/08/19 14:57:35
  • Z Rich Ma... 2012/08/20 21:31:49
    Z
    +1
    No, it doesn't help. I won't convince him, but by being mature and offering valid, logical arguments and not personal attacks, and the fact that he can't actually argue against them, means that those reading the conversation with an open mind will see the superiority of the argument I am presenting. Personal attacks are simply a useless distraction.
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  • Rich Ma... Z 2012/08/19 14:56:16
  • Jasmine 2012/08/09 23:56:26
    Undecided
    Jasmine
    +2
    In most things, a little competition and a LOT of cooperation.
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  • JMCC Jasmine 2012/08/09 23:57:30
    JMCC
    +2
    ;)
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  • Rebel Yell 2012/08/09 17:16:01
    Cooperation
    Rebel Yell
    +2
    Man is a social animal. Within his family unit and friendships, he learns how to step out of his box and share thoughts and feelings. In this way he learns. This leads to far better self awareness/confidence and appreciation for others. Often it is those other people along the way who help instill a desire to compete and excel, whether it is in business or in any athletic event.

    True, many have an innate desire to compete. Numerous inventors hit the Aha Moment in isolation. On the flip side, we just saw several teams of NASA scientists leap to their feet in joy when they saw that robot smoothly land on Mars.

    Cooperation and competition are first cousins.
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  • jeremyperryfranz 2012/08/09 16:37:30
    Cooperation
    jeremyperryfranz
    +4
    Cooperation. Because sometimes that's all it takes cooperation
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  • AM 2012/08/09 16:00:37 (edited)
    Undecided
    AM
    +1
    How can one expect to have any type of success without knowing exactly what they want and having plan and purpose to achieve it ?Nothing good-worthwhile comes easy and it's not going to just fall from the sky into your lap.Instant gratification is as fleeting as it was attained.The ability to discipline yourself to delay gratification in the short term in order to enjoy greater rewards in the long term is the indispensable prerequisite for success in every facet of your life.
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  • JMCC AM 2012/08/09 16:37:50
    JMCC
    +2
    Linux is a good example of cooperative working, and it underpins OS 10, chrome OS and Android..
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  • AM JMCC 2012/08/09 18:11:52
    AM
    +1
    Being unfamiliar I will have to research that.Thank you.
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  • I AM A TROUBLEMAKER 2012/08/09 15:31:52
    Cooperation
    I AM A TROUBLEMAKER
    +1
    i found it much better than competing............
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  • lolo 2012/08/09 15:14:11
    Competition
    lolo
    +2
    Best not to have things handed to you. Must work for something worthwhile.
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  • JMCC lolo 2012/08/09 16:39:04
    JMCC
    +2
    Cooperative working?

    It;s how NASA got a man on the moon...
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  • AM JMCC 2012/08/09 17:51:39
    AM
    Ah but that was driven by competition with the USSR i.e.The Space Race.Also to become that rocket scientist for NASA you certainly had to be the best and the brightest.That is not achieved without a healthy sense of competition.
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  • JMCC AM 2012/08/09 18:02:44
    JMCC
    +1
    agreed which is why I also mention how both are required tor rapid scientific advancement.
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  • Headhunter 13 2012/08/09 14:50:36
    A little of both (please explain how)
    Headhunter 13
    +1
    Both can drive the human agenda to achieve more. Through out all of the millions of years of human history I think the greatest accomplishments occur when both build on each other
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