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Which Founding Fathers Owned Slaves ?

Breaking News 2011/01/25 17:57:22


Michelle Bachman recently made a speech citing that the Founding Fathers worked tirelessly to abolish slavery but is that accurate ?

According to historical documents:

Of the first five presidents, four owned slaves. All four of these owned slaves while they were president.

Of the next five presidents (#6-10), four owned slaves. Only two of them owned slaves while they were president.

Of the next five presidents (#11-15), two owned slaves. Both of these two owned slaves while they were president.

Of the next three presidents (#16-18) two owned slaves. neither of them owned slaves while serving as president.

The last president to own slaves while in office was the twelfth president, Zachary Taylor (1849-1850).

The last president to own slaves at all was the eighteenth president, Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877).


So twelve of our presidents owned slaves and eight
of them owned slaves while serving as president.

George Washington owned more than 200 slaves
Thomas Jefferson owned more than 100 slaves
James Madison owned and sold slaves all his life
James Monroe owned 30-40 slaves
Andrew Jackson owned about 160 slaves
Martin Van Buren owned at least one slave
William Henry Harrison had several slaves
John Tyler had slaves
James K. Polk had 15 slaves
Zachary Taylor owned more than 100 slaves
Andrew Johnson owned 8 slaves
Ulysses S. Grant freed his slaves


http://home.nas.com/lopresti/ps.htm

So it looks like Bachman needs a history lesson on the founding fathers and their actions on slavery.

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  • enoch.vandever 2013/06/26 19:13:14
    enoch.vandever
    +1
    Slavery was acceptable back then. Still, many of our founding fathers did oppose slavery. Even though apparently Thomas Jefferson owned 100 slaves, he also abolished it in his original draft of the Declaration of Independence. Georgia and one other state opposed it and therefor it was dropped to gain all 13 states support of independence. Kinda like you can fight to lower carbon emissions while still driving a car. I know that's a horrible analogy, but easy enough to understand. Michelle Bachman's an idiot all the same though. She doesn't have a very good grasp on most history. Then again neither do most of our elected officials. If they can't even take the time to read a bill they're about to sign, can you expect them to read about history too?
  • June Smith 2012/07/04 21:50:15
    June Smith
    +2
    America should hang its head in shame. None of these men were good men. Jefferson was the worse. That is why I do not celebrate the fourth of July. My independance came in 1964 When the civil Rights bill became law.
  • bdrumartin 2011/07/04 15:18:49
    bdrumartin
    +1
    The list of "Founding Fathers" is indeed a long one, but not all of them were anti-slavery. As we can see, some were slave owners. It's important that history reflects events as they occurred in our country despite others' discomfort with that truth. I am thankful for leaders such as John Q. ADAMS who was anti-slavery at a very young age and to those who fought for the abolishment of slavery. We must support leaders who fight for equality and fairness for ALL, and not just the rich and the powerful. abolishment slavery support leaders fight equality fairness rich powerful
  • kinneymoore 2011/06/29 23:01:40
    kinneymoore
    Went through some stupid let's add you crap and my post is nowhere to be seen. Figures. Really low class crap. At any rate. Going on today. Only rights for white Eurpean descent men. Cannot believe I have lived long enough to see this. After the 50s and70s. Sheesh.
  • Todd Parsons 2011/06/28 16:53:51
    Todd Parsons
    +4
    Oh my God! You people have NO idea what you are talking about!!!! Check out http://www.christiananswers.n... - The list of founders who HATED slavery is rather long. Many of the founders DID commit time and energy and resources to eradicating it in their home states, preventing the importation of new slaves from outside the US, and insisting that new territories be free of slavery. It amazes me how arrogant and misinformed you people are. If you really believe that you are open minded and that those of us in the tea party movement are just stupid and ignorant people then there should be no risk to you in researching these issues a little bit more. The impression I get is that the source material that seems to drive most of these leftist points of view is just nonsense but if that is your only frame of reference you will always draw the wrong conclusion.
  • Sulda Todd Pa... 2011/11/08 17:59:32
    Sulda
    +1
    Oh, please spare me. Don't write about ignorance and arrogance when you quote from a religious propaganda site. You religious nutcases think everyone who doesn't agree with you is drawing the wrong conclusion. Cite a scholarly source or quit wasting people's time with your dogma.
  • zylon tex Todd Pa... 2011/12/31 00:25:41
    zylon tex
    +1
    Exellent
    Great point sir I have read those pages and found out about things i didn't know and i felt proud
    though i still can't imagine how James Madison according to them was pro slavery
  • tecknotron BN-0 RP2012 2011/01/30 23:12:30 (edited)
    tecknotron BN-0 RP2012
    This person made a decent blog post about this criticism http://kommoncents.blogspot.c...
  • The Electrician 2011/01/27 04:27:19
    The Electrician
    My "pet rocks" have more common sense than this woman.
  • Stride The Ele... 2011/07/28 03:45:07
    Stride
    +3
    HAHAHAHAHAHA LOL Thank you!!!!! Someone had to damn say it LOL
  • The Albertan 2011/01/27 03:27:51
    The Albertan
    +1
    yes she needs a history lesson just as most of the tea party people.....*cough* sarah palin *cough*
  • Frank 2011/01/26 12:25:33
    Frank
    +2
    I think that she was educated at Glenn Beck University
  • WGN 2011/01/26 02:27:47
    WGN
    +3
    The founding fathers had no idea of freedom, or citizenship, for slaves or for women.
    Bachman has no idea of the history of this country!
    Talk about your elitest white, rich leaders! This was the great "Good Old Boys" club.
    All of the presidents you named are not part of the founding fathers. Only those up to Madison with exception of both Adam's were actually FF's who became president. The delegates to the Constitutional convention and those who signed the D of I are considered to be the FF's. This is a list of the FF's who signed the Constitution:
    * Abraham Baldwin
    * Richard Bassett
    * Gunning Bedford, Jr.
    * John Blair
    * William Blount
    * David Brearly
    * Jacob Broom
    * Pierce Butler
    * Daniel Carroll
    * George Clymer
    * Jonathan Dayton
    * John Dickinson
    * William Few
    * Thomas Fitzsimons
    * Benjamin Franklin
    * Nicholas Gilman
    * Nathaniel Gorham
    * Alexander Hamilton
    * Jared Ingersoll
    * William Jackson (Secretary)
    * Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer
    * William Samuel Johnson
    * Rufus King
    * John Langdon
    * William Livingston
    * James Madison
    * James McHenry
    * Thomas Mifflin
    * Gouverneur Morris
    * Robert Morris
    * William Paterson
    * Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
    * Char...

































































    The founding fathers had no idea of freedom, or citizenship, for slaves or for women.
    Bachman has no idea of the history of this country!
    Talk about your elitest white, rich leaders! This was the great "Good Old Boys" club.
    All of the presidents you named are not part of the founding fathers. Only those up to Madison with exception of both Adam's were actually FF's who became president. The delegates to the Constitutional convention and those who signed the D of I are considered to be the FF's. This is a list of the FF's who signed the Constitution:
    * Abraham Baldwin
    * Richard Bassett
    * Gunning Bedford, Jr.
    * John Blair
    * William Blount
    * David Brearly
    * Jacob Broom
    * Pierce Butler
    * Daniel Carroll
    * George Clymer
    * Jonathan Dayton
    * John Dickinson
    * William Few
    * Thomas Fitzsimons
    * Benjamin Franklin
    * Nicholas Gilman
    * Nathaniel Gorham
    * Alexander Hamilton
    * Jared Ingersoll
    * William Jackson (Secretary)
    * Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer
    * William Samuel Johnson
    * Rufus King
    * John Langdon
    * William Livingston
    * James Madison
    * James McHenry
    * Thomas Mifflin
    * Gouverneur Morris
    * Robert Morris
    * William Paterson
    * Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
    * Charles Pinckney
    * George Read
    * John Rutledge
    * Roger Sherman
    * Richard Dobbs Spaight
    * George Washington (president of the Convention)
    * Hugh Williamson
    * James Wilson

    These are considerd to be FF's and they signed the Declaration of Independence:
    * John Adams
    * Samuel Adams
    * Josiah Bartlett
    * Carter Braxton
    * Charles Carroll
    * Samuel Chase
    * Abraham Clark
    * George Clymer
    * William Ellery
    * William Floyd
    * Benjamin Franklin
    * Elbridge Gerry
    * Button Gwinnett
    * John Hancock
    * Lyman Hall
    * Benjamin Harrison
    * John Hart
    * Joseph Hewes
    * Thomas Heyward, Jr.
    * William Hooper
    * Stephen Hopkins
    * Francis Hopkinson
    * Samuel Huntington
    * Thomas Jefferson
    * Francis Lightfoot Lee
    * Richard Henry Lee
    * Francis Lewis
    * Philip Livingston
    * Thomas Lynch, Jr.
    * Thomas McKean
    * Arthur Middleton
    * Lewis Morris
    * Robert Morris
    * John Morton
    * Thomas Nelson, Jr.
    * William Paca
    * Robert Treat Paine
    * John Penn
    * George Read
    * Caesar Rodney
    * George Ross
    * Benjamin Rush
    * Edward Rutledge
    * Roger Sherman
    * James Smith
    * Richard Stockton
    * Thomas Stone
    * George Taylor
    * Charles Thomson (Secretary, attested to Hancock's signature)
    * Matthew Thornton
    * George Walton
    * William Whipple
    * William Williams
    * James Wilson
    * John Witherspoon
    * Oliver Wolcott
    * George Wythe
    (more)
  • Tim St.... WGN 2011/01/26 04:56:51
    Tim St. John
    +2
    my brother, you got mad skills, and you did your homework !! thumbs all the way up !!
  • BlytheSpirit~bn0 2011/01/26 02:05:12
    BlytheSpirit~bn0
    +5
    Michele Bachman needs a history lesson on a whole host of things.
  • Captain K.A. 2011/01/26 01:35:00
    Captain K.A.
    +2
    A better question would be which ones didn't. Perhaps Benjamin Franklin.
  • BlytheS... Captain... 2011/01/26 02:05:56
    BlytheSpirit~bn0
    +3
    I'm assuming this is a joke. And if it is, it's a very, very funny one.
  • Captain... BlytheS... 2011/01/26 02:15:37 (edited)
    Captain K.A.
    No. I don't see what the joke is. No, they all had slaves back then. They were all relatively wealthy and inherited hundreds of them. Thomas Jefferson owned hundreds. I believe George Washington owned some. That's how they built the Monte Chelo.
  • Melizmatic Captain... 2011/01/26 02:22:24 (edited)
    Melizmatic
    +1
    I think she was hoping that you were joking about Ben Franklin;

    His image may be printed on the hundred dollar bill, but he was never a US President.
  • Captain... Melizmatic 2011/01/26 21:07:06
    Captain K.A.
    oh.
  • BlytheS... Captain... 2011/01/26 21:14:12
    BlytheSpirit~bn0
    +1
    It may have been my mistake. I read the question quickly and thought we were only talking about US Presidents. After reading through some of the posts I realized we were talking about the "founding fathers" and not just presidents. My bad. :) And, yes, George Washington owned quite a few slaves. He had some of his own, but when he married Martha he got a whole lot more.
  • Alleycat 2011/01/26 01:33:58 (edited)
    Alleycat
    +1
    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.’’ The Founders chose those words not to describe the nation in which they lived, but a better, more just nation; the nation America could become. Their words became the American creed, the taproot of the American dream — as worthy of celebrating today as they were in 1776."

    Great article from the Boston Globe, requires login...

    This is the context Congresswoman Bachman was speaking in, all Founding Fathers signed onto in the Declaration of Independence and this particular passage was the rallying call of the civil rights movement. Slavery was the law of the land and today it isn't due to the vision of these great men.

    This post is no more than a political witch hunt of the hate America first crowd driven by ignorance in a pathetic attempt at character assassination of Congresswoman Bachman...
  • WGN Alleycat 2011/01/26 02:30:20
    WGN
    +1
    Wow! Do you have a distorted view of history or what?
    Go back to class!
  • Alleycat WGN 2011/01/26 14:57:02
    Alleycat
    +1
    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.’’

    This statement is distorted? I would suggest to you a course in remedial reading...
  • WGN Alleycat 2011/01/26 16:01:20
    WGN
    +1
    Yes, it is distorted. First, it is in the Declaration of Independence and not the Constitution. When the FF's were talking about men, they meant all white males who owned property. Not the blackman and certainly not women. The FF's all grew up in a time when women and blacks were considred inferior to the white males. Women had no rights, could not own property or sign contracts. They had no legal standing, and just like slaves, were considered property.
    We can not apply the notions of today to a document that was written 230 some years ago. Time and society change and the FF's knew this and provided for changing the constitution as needed. Specifically the 13th. and 19th amendments, which did give rights to black men and then to all women.
    The D of I has good ideals, but the constitution, as first written, did not follow those ideals.
    In the beginning, Senators were appointed as the ff's did not believe that the common man could elect people of character to fill the posts. That in itsself is saying that some people are created better than others. Elitism was, and still is, the rule of the day. people of wealth and position control the government. It was so in the beginning and is so now.
  • Alleycat WGN 2011/01/26 16:57:24
    Alleycat
    +1
    We are talking about the founding fathers not the Constitution dumbass. Declaration of Independence is a statement signed by all the founding fathers and a commitment of freedom to all. The Declaration of Independence was their vision of what America could become but idiots like you that propagate this anti American garbage refuse to acknowledge this simple fact.
  • WGN Alleycat 2011/01/26 23:46:26
    WGN
    Hey dumbass, you have a very limited idea of just whom the founding fathers were. A nation with no form of government is no nation at all, but anarchy. Until the Constitution was ratified we had no "Nation" to speak of. The ideals of the signers of the D of I started the process, but the others made it come true. Some are on both lists I posted, but all, both the signers of the D of I and the delegates to the Constitutional convention are the founding fathers of this nation. Period, no exceptions. I do not know where you learned your history, but it is very limited, short sighted and tailored to fit whatever agenda you seem to be spouting.
    Get a real life!
  • Alleycat WGN 2011/01/27 23:44:09
    Alleycat
    No but I can look around today and see all to clearly what their vision and ideas have produced, a place where even idiots like u can spread their anti-American propaganda with impunity.
  • WGN Alleycat 2011/01/28 14:06:57
    WGN
    I am not anti American in any way shape or form. It is much more American to understand our heritage and its roots and reasons, than to go around being ignorant of the facts. Believing something out of want for some sort of nationalistic pride without understanding the how and why is as un American as you can get, and I see by your comments that you are already there.
  • Alleycat WGN 2011/01/29 02:05:53 (edited)
    Alleycat
    +1
    You my friend are anti-American to the core for to demean the vision of these men that risked life, limb, & fortune to achieve in order to pacify you political ideology and huge bleeding ego is disgusting.

    Even Frederick Douglass, a slave at one time himself, grew to understand the vision of freedom for all contained within the Constitution, yet you, a idiot liberal immersed in academia for your entire career, still has not figured it out.

    "Douglass contended that those who claimed the Constitution was a pro-slavery document were misreading it. He saw the Constitution as having "noble purposes," which were "avowed in its preamble" whose words about liberty rendered it an "instrument" that could be "wielded in behalf of emancipation."

    http://findarticles.com/p/art...

    "Old, well educated, three degrees, Liberal, Teacher/Professor"

    Looking at ur profile noted above I see only a narcissistic idiot liberal that has made a career of poisoning the minds of our youth with this ideological propaganda and probably at taxpayers expense. A leech on society that is very pleased with himself.
  • WGN Alleycat 2011/01/29 16:45:35
  • Sulda WGN 2011/11/16 18:20:57
    Sulda
    +1
    WGN, don't bother with this guy. He's obviously been brainwashed by the right wing into believing how awesome and great our FF's were. Certainly, they were intelligent and bold, but make no bones about it, they were out for themselves and for those like them. Consider the breadth of the situation at is purest - rich white slave owners wanting to be free from the taxation of the England. It is the definition of hypocrisy! The United States of America was founded to be, and still is, the good 'ol boys club of America. Anyone who has any critical thinking skills at all can see our past for what it really is. Anyone who has the audacity to suggest otherwise is obviously ill-informed. People look to the FF's as monolithic structures which are unassailable, infallible, and perfect. I disagree. I would be so bold as to suggest it beyond mere supposition to state that successive generations have improved upon the works of the FFs by actually implementing the ideology across the civil spectrum. You are quite correct. To the FFs, "men" was defined only as weathly white males. Every one else was just S.O.L.
  • WGN Sulda 2011/11/16 20:56:56
    WGN
    Well said!
  • zylon tex Alleycat 2011/12/31 00:37:11
    zylon tex
    +2
    Absolutly
    This evil shall not stand
    How dare this insignificant little puke demean or degrade the names of Our Fathers Who were Pure Sacred brave and right
    America will forever stand fearless and strong in the light in the right in the grace of God
    RED WHITE AND BLUE FOREVER
    GOD bless America and shed his grace of thee
  • JAKKI R... Alleycat 2012/06/06 03:54:49
    JAKKI RUBIN
    +3
    ALLEYCAT HAS A SAD POINT...NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK OF THE FF'S ALOT OF THE FOUNDERS OWNED SLAVES SO I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK THEY BELIEVED, THIS NATION WAS FOUNDED ON LIES,DECIET,AND SLAVERY(THEY OVERTOOK THE INDIANS LAND AND BROUGHT OVER AFRICANS)....WE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL ABRAHAM LINCOLN TO BE FREED AND THEN YEARS AFTER THAT TO HAVE OUR CIVIL RIGHTS ...SMH....SOMETIMES WHEN I HEAR DEFENSES LIKE YOURS IT REMINDS ME OF THE TEA PARTY......CLOSET RACISTS THAT HIDE BEHIND A CONSTITUTION THEY BARELY KNOW
  • cynsity 2011/01/26 01:13:34
    cynsity
    +3
    Pretty simple if you read the orginal drafts of the Constitution they INCLUDE the abolishment of slavery in all 13 states. and if you look at what each man did individually at the end of his life (that is free his slaves in his will) then her statements while stretching it are not incorrect.

    The historical record shows that the issue of slavery as it was for the nation was a hotly debated issue during the convention as well as during the drafting and during the ratification. All members knew they had to do what they thought best for their states as individuals and that as a group they had to do what was best for the up and coming nation. If unity was not ensured at the start the country would ahve failed before it got started. And more than just slave issues were set on teh back burner, womens issues were also defered ass there was a loud call for womens sufferage at teh same time which was fully ignored and women got sufferage AFTER blacks did and WOMEN got "freedom" (no longer seen as property of their husbands) only in the earily 20th century.

    I don't have my book of quotes handy so I won't make it a quote but one founder wrote what they leave undone here will be the burdon of the generation next to come.... They KNEW that the concession made were not going to be for teh good but they need to make them to at least get started and the next generations took up the unfinished business.
  • Orangedragan 2011/01/26 01:12:07
    Orangedragan
    Just shows how ignorant they are about the people they proclaim to be doing their work in the name of.
  • Wilde~MoonChild ™ 2011/01/26 01:10:22
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    +2
    She needs more than a history lesson. This isn't cute! Why are the american people ok with this?
  • captkirk999 2011/01/25 23:45:07
    captkirk999
    +7
    Can we count the polticians that have illegal immigrants working for them? Slavery in America is not over. It has just changed color.
  • Nisa PinkySwear(*~*) 2011/01/25 23:14:06 (edited)
    Nisa PinkySwear(*~*)
    .....what was her point?

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