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Arizona1950 2011/01/21 14:20:36
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  • Artist 2011/01/21 14:32:34
    I can't decide but I would like to comment
    Artist
    +7
    How about it just stays in my pocket...?

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  • Emanon 2011/07/07 02:28:44
    I can't decide but I would like to comment
    Emanon
    Education.
  • betz 2011/01/23 12:58:36 (edited)
    War
    betz
    +1
    Although I would hope noone is pro war all intelligent people must realize that the need to defend our great nation from the crazed fools who roam this earth is a necessity. Why would we put money toward aborting an innocently beating heart?
  • Arizona... betz 2011/01/23 13:31:13
    Arizona1950
    Thank you for commenting betz. My goal is not to pass judgment here. We are financially bankrupt in this country and we need to make decisions on what we want our new Congress to do and their direction.

    Taxes for war (although I simplify) are necessary and actually constitutional when you think about it. Our elected are to create and maintain a military force so they can protect the citizens from both foreign and domestice enemies. This has to be funded by the people.

    Abortion (although I simplify) is lawful in this country and nobody has the right to tell another what they can or can't do with their own body. But the choice in having say over your own body is an individual choice and therefore, I think, unconstitutional that I should be forced to pay for their individualism in this very personal and private decision. No more than I should be forced to pay for somebody's facelift.
  • betz Arizona... 2011/01/23 14:09:19 (edited)
    betz
    +1
    Precisely Arizona. Nice question and some interesting responses to say the least. :)
  • Arizona... betz 2011/01/23 16:06:52
  • Mississippi lady 2011/01/23 02:10:25
    I can't decide but I would like to comment
    Mississippi lady
    +1
    I truly do not want to see my tax dollars spent on either one of these two evils. War is right in defending our country and our ideals. Abortion is an abomination and in no event should anyone's money ever be spent on that.
  • Arizona... Mississ... 2011/01/23 02:18:30
    Arizona1950
    +2
    Thank you for leaving a comment. Abortion is legal in this country however I do feel it a personal decision in more cases than not and I should not have to pay for another's decision through my tax dollars. I am also a strong advocate of time restraints. I support the morning after pill as well and feel this a far more humane way to go in this regard should someone decide they were stupid.
  • Drew~PWCM~JLA~ 2011/01/22 07:18:19
    I can't decide but I would like to comment
    Drew~PWCM~JLA~
    +2
    They both accomplish the same thing, global depopulation.
  • Arizona... Drew~PW... 2011/01/22 15:31:52 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    +2
    True, but one is were taxes are used legally and constitutionally the other is not. One is payment so to speak for our elected to do what they are bound to do and that is protect us from both foreign and domestic invasion. They haven't been doing a very good job of this because of money woes and our defense is suffering and making us more and more vulnerable both here and abroad.

    My question is where do you think the money is spent more wisely ... protection of our way of life as Americans or protection of someone's individual choice although legal to have a child or not and force someone else to pay for their right to that decision. In this scenario you either pay for the abortion or you pay for the health, clothing, food, and housing for the next 18 years or longer. This to me is a lose/lose situation for the taxpayer.

    So where would you rather see your tax dollar spent?
  • Drew~PW... Arizona... 2011/01/22 19:21:56
    Drew~PWCM~JLA~
    +1
    War I would say but these aren't exactly Constitutional.
  • Arizona... Drew~PW... 2011/01/22 20:26:18
    Arizona1950
    +3
    Defending the US is not Constitutional?
  • Drew~PW... Arizona... 2011/01/22 20:43:14 (edited)
    Drew~PWCM~JLA~
    +2
    I didn't say that. Iraq was never a threat and believe that Bush admitted to that.
    Besides we would be better served with our troops and efforts concentrated here instead of 5,000 miles away. Secure our borders, inspect all shipped items and containers, etc...
  • Arizona... Drew~PW... 2011/01/23 13:25:15
    Arizona1950
    +2
    We as the public only know what our elected tell us via a very biased media. Are you really sure there was no threat? Do we go where this is no need ... maybe. Are we kept in the dark a lot about what is really going on and what is perceived at what is at stake ... no doubt in my mind.
  • Drew~PW... Arizona... 2011/01/23 21:44:51
    Drew~PWCM~JLA~
    +1
    Mine either. ;)
  • Arizona... Drew~PW... 2011/01/23 21:49:00
  • Lady Whitewolf 2011/01/21 21:22:24
    I can't decide but I would like to comment
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    I second artist!
  • Arizona... Lady Wh... 2011/01/21 21:27:28
    Arizona1950
    +1
    I understand your attraction but sorry not part of the question.
  • Pete 2011/01/21 21:21:11
    I can't decide but I would like to comment
    Pete
    +3
    Abortion kill the innocent and war kill the guilty...I would like my tax dollar to protect the Border and give them all the high tech to catch all these rats crossing the border....Peace be with you
  • Arizona... Pete 2011/01/21 21:25:35
    Arizona1950
    +2
    Thank you. When you think about it, our Constitution requires our leaders to protect us from domestic and foreign invasion. This sometimes requires going to war whether we like it or not. Our taxes are used towards "War" this is how we pay for this protection.
  • Pete Arizona... 2011/01/21 22:16:32
    Pete
    What I meant is that protecting our border with High Technology doesn't requred killing only stopping these rats from entering into our country and send them back.. I know where you are coming from ,but won't it be less killing than a regular war like in Iraq and Afganastan???...Peace be with you
  • Arizona... Pete 2011/01/21 22:23:11
    Arizona1950
    +1
    I appreciate what you are saying but this blog is about where you would rather your taxes go ... what you stated does fall under war and further discussion should or would be material for another blog.
  • Goldie 2011/01/21 20:44:27
    War
    Goldie
    +3
    People who insure our freedoms, are worth every penny. People who find themselves pregnant from being promiscuous, need to pay for their own abortions. Most rape victims, if they report the rape, are offered the day after pill.
  • Arizona... Goldie 2011/01/21 20:48:11
    Arizona1950
    +1
    Good post. :-)
  • Goldie Arizona... 2011/01/21 21:00:45
    Goldie
    +2
    Yours is too. Thank you. :)
  • Arizona... Goldie 2011/01/21 21:01:50
    Arizona1950
    +2
    :-) ... thank you.
  • Goldie Arizona... 2011/01/21 21:09:59
    Goldie
    +1
    You're welcome. :)
  • StarrGazerr 2011/01/21 19:24:39
    Abortion
    StarrGazerr
    +3
    War kills human beings. Abortion doesn't.
  • Arizona... StarrGa... 2011/01/21 19:30:12
    Arizona1950
    +1
    Oh jeeze SG you just opened a can of worms with that one!

    Anyway my response ...

    Our Constitution requires our leaders to protect us from domestic and foreign invasion. This sometimes requires going to war whether we like it or not. Our taxes pay towards "War" is how we pay for this protection.

    Abortion is a choice that someone else made and I feel I should not have to pay for that choice in regard that there is no constitutional law saying that we are suppose to.
  • StarrGa... Arizona... 2011/01/21 20:33:36
    StarrGazerr
    +2
    Even MORE important than protecting us from domestic and foreign invasion, the Constitution's primary goal is to protect HUMAN RIGHTS. And of all the human rights, the right to be free from some arbitrary irrational extremist expression that turns us into slaves. The ongoing battle of the Right Wing to deprive half the population of this nation of their right to be free, the right to control their own bodies is not only abhorrent, but it is blatantly unconstitutional. The Thirteenth Amendment was passed in 1865 and it abolished slavery. The push by anti-choice extremists in this coutnry to enslave a woman and force her to perform labor (pun intended) against her will is nothing less than slavery, and is more reprehensible and more antithetical to everything the Constitution stands for than any war we have ever fought.

    Besides, as we've been over before, you are NOT paying for another person's abortion if they choose to have one. Either they are or their insurance company is. I am not necessarily saying that the Federal government should pay for abortions, but that is no more or less significant an issue than asking whether the Federal government should pay for appendectomies.
  • Arizona... StarrGa... 2011/01/21 20:40:25 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    +1
    Uh-uh ... but thanks for your newest twist on distorting our Constitution.

    Abortion is a choice that someone else made and I feel I should not have to pay for that choice in regard that there is no constitutional law saying that we are suppose to or have to. We do, the last time I checked; but I hear Obama is working hard to get rid of it, have individualism in the Nation. You as an individual make choices in your own life of which you are accountable.

    In having our own health insurance as the majority (at least those who still have jobs) do, we do pay for another's abortion ... There should be an option for people to opt out of paying for abortions to help lower our premiums.

    Those who want the "option" can pay a higher premium which can be scaled so to speak.

    1. You want it there, "just in case" then you want "full coverage" you pay a higher premium.

    2. You want it there, "just in case" but can't afford the higher premium then you pay a lower premium knowing that you will be responsible for the difference at time of appointment.
  • StarrGa... Arizona... 2011/01/21 21:28:18
    StarrGazerr
    +1
    My friend, I thought you had long ago gotten past the "I heard somewhere" research methods. Don't you realize that one of the core methods the Right Wing has used since Reagan's time is the constant repetition of lies in order to get the gullible to begin to believe them. That's Palin's MO to a tee - "death panels", "pull the plug on grandma", and that's Fox' main "journalistic standard" - "deep seated hatred of White People"? "Tiller the Baby Killer?"

    So - I want documented FACTS this time: How do you possibly justify the slanderous statement that "Obama is working hard to get rid of" individualism???? That is the most nonsensical thing I think I've ever heard you say. How is fighting FOR human rights working to get rid of individualism"? How is trying to keep people alive even though they're poor working to get rid of individualism? How is fighting against the corporate takeover of the American election process - which deprives YOU of the right to have your vote heard - working to get rid of individualism? You are smarter than most of the Right Wingers around here and you know that the President is not a socialist, not a communist, not planning a secret New World Order, not trying to impose Sharia Law on the United States and so forth.

    FACTS this time. Not talking points...





    My friend, I thought you had long ago gotten past the "I heard somewhere" research methods. Don't you realize that one of the core methods the Right Wing has used since Reagan's time is the constant repetition of lies in order to get the gullible to begin to believe them. That's Palin's MO to a tee - "death panels", "pull the plug on grandma", and that's Fox' main "journalistic standard" - "deep seated hatred of White People"? "Tiller the Baby Killer?"

    So - I want documented FACTS this time: How do you possibly justify the slanderous statement that "Obama is working hard to get rid of" individualism???? That is the most nonsensical thing I think I've ever heard you say. How is fighting FOR human rights working to get rid of individualism"? How is trying to keep people alive even though they're poor working to get rid of individualism? How is fighting against the corporate takeover of the American election process - which deprives YOU of the right to have your vote heard - working to get rid of individualism? You are smarter than most of the Right Wingers around here and you know that the President is not a socialist, not a communist, not planning a secret New World Order, not trying to impose Sharia Law on the United States and so forth.

    FACTS this time. Not talking points. FACTS.

    And finally, your "opt out" suggestion is probably as close to outright fascism as I've ever heard you come. Let's take that one a step further. Let's say a group of people decide that they don't think that black people deserve to get heart transplants. Should they be allowed to "opt out" of their health insurance premium?

    Do you REALLY want someone else to get to decide what YOUR health insurance covers and doesn't cover? You pay your premiums and you get the coverage that the policy provides. You have no right to tell the insurance company what coverage they should or should not provide to anyone but you.

    I'm disappointed in you.
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  • Arizona... StarrGa... 2011/01/21 21:34:34 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    +1
    My dear (gulp) sweet StarrGazzer I have yet to see proof it is not in the Obamacare package and stated directly nor loophole that says they can't.

    LOL .,. oh, oh just a thought and no doubt this will really tick you off ...

    In agreeing with your statements that Obamacare does not cover illegals or abortions he has basically screwed over his re-election base ... because under current norms their medical is paid for through our tax dollars ... the only sect Obama has actually defended and stood up for is Islam ... the only group in this country that takes care of their own!. Do you see any hints of him embracing Sharia Law also?? How about not securing our borders ... how 'bout giving middle easterners in war torn areas carte blance to come here without background checks ...

    Oh, sometimes I just crack myself up!! [giggle]
  • StarrGa... Arizona... 2011/01/21 21:53:01
    StarrGazerr
    I have yet to see proof that coverage for Klingons isn't in the Affordable Care Act, either. If you are claiming that something exists, then prove it.

    Standing up for freedom of religion is not "standing up for Islam". And NO ONE has shown any hints of "embracing Sharia Law", LEAST of all the President. And no one has given middle easterners in war torn areas carte blanche to come here without background checks, either. As for our borders, with deportations up and new entry by illegals down, the President has done MORE to secure our borders than his predecessors have.

    I am going to assume that you are having a bad day or something, because if you are going to start down the "secret Muslim conspiracy" and "Obama is a Muslim" road then we're done. I will tolerate a great many things that I may not agree with because I believe that open debate and discussion of differing ideas is of benefit to all participants. But I will not tolerate racism and I will not tolerate slandering the President of the United States with outright racist lies. So choose VERY carefully your next response.
  • Arizona... StarrGa... 2011/01/21 22:30:04
    Arizona1950
    +1
    SG .. I respect you and your background so I would say you already know the answer or prefer to ignore it. You are quite correct the Obamacare package does exclude illegals however, and regrettably I didn't save it, there are clauses that give loopholes for a very fine and educated lawyer such as yourself to get illegals covered. Kinda, sorta, like what the Progressives did in distorting the 14th Amendment but that is for another blog.

    Freedom of religion is protected. However where our President on more than one occasion seems to have shown preference over one than the other, than I say he is biased and is circumventing or deliberately overlooking our Constitution and its meaning.

    I did not accuse Obama of being anything as your last paragraph implies nor do I wish to pursue that avenue even in jest as it is not the reason why I wrote this blog. To pursue this, I would say you or others would be intentionally trying to hijack the direction of this thread of which I will be very angry if found to be true.
  • StarrGa... Arizona... 2011/01/21 22:44:40
    StarrGazerr
    +1
    An argument that a law says one thing but somehow someone might find a way around it someday so therefore the law says the exact opposite of what it says is nonsensical, in my humble opinion.

    And since the Fourteenth Amendment is probably the single most progressive clause in the entire Constitution ("equal protection of the laws" is kind of a dictionary definition of progressivism) I fail to see where there is any distortion.

    Once again I want you to provide PROOF. Show me ONE instance, just ONE, of the President showing favoritism to ANY one religious denomination over another. That means SPECIFIC EXAMPLES and VERIFIABLE SOURCES.

    You made the false accusation that "the only sect Obama has actually defended and stood up for is Islam". You made the false statement that he embraces Sharia Law. You made the false accusation that not only is the President not defending our borders (which is a LIE) but that he is DELIBERATELY not defending our borders in order to encourage Muslim extremists to enter and destroy the country. And you made the completely false statement that the President is "giving middle easterners in war torn areas carte blance to come here without background checks."

    So if I can count that's at least FIVE deliberate, malicious, slanderous, racist attacks ...





    An argument that a law says one thing but somehow someone might find a way around it someday so therefore the law says the exact opposite of what it says is nonsensical, in my humble opinion.

    And since the Fourteenth Amendment is probably the single most progressive clause in the entire Constitution ("equal protection of the laws" is kind of a dictionary definition of progressivism) I fail to see where there is any distortion.

    Once again I want you to provide PROOF. Show me ONE instance, just ONE, of the President showing favoritism to ANY one religious denomination over another. That means SPECIFIC EXAMPLES and VERIFIABLE SOURCES.

    You made the false accusation that "the only sect Obama has actually defended and stood up for is Islam". You made the false statement that he embraces Sharia Law. You made the false accusation that not only is the President not defending our borders (which is a LIE) but that he is DELIBERATELY not defending our borders in order to encourage Muslim extremists to enter and destroy the country. And you made the completely false statement that the President is "giving middle easterners in war torn areas carte blance to come here without background checks."

    So if I can count that's at least FIVE deliberate, malicious, slanderous, racist attacks on the President of the United States without even the slightest attempt to provide even shaky evidence to support any one of them.

    As for the reason you wrote this blog, it was to assert the absurd, cruel and totally false contention that war and abortion are equivalent. What you wound up asking was whether people would rather fund mass killing or human rights.

    Finally, I invite you to read back up through this thread. Which of us first mentioned Islam? Which of us first mentioned Sharia Law? Which of us first mentioned "middle easterners in war torn areas" (aka Palestinian Muslims)?

    So WHO IS HIJACKING THIS THREAD?
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  • Arizona... StarrGa... 2011/01/21 22:45:53 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    +1
    Once again you are off topic! I gave my opinion you gave yours... I gave a silly just popped into my head thought and you've grabbed onto it as gospel ...drop it!!
  • Mississ... StarrGa... 2011/01/23 02:12:26
    Mississippi lady
    +2
    I inadvertently raved you. Meant to hit reply. Abortion kills innocent babies.
  • StarrGa... Mississ... 2011/01/23 02:18:36
    StarrGazerr
    +1
    No, abortion kills appendices. It kills Goddamned hangnails. It doesn't kill HUMAN BEINGS. Anti-abortion nutjobs are the ones who kill innocent human beings. And given the fact that the average anti-abortion nutjob can't tell the difference between a human being whose assassination they gleefully celebrate and a f*cking TISSUE SAMPLE, it's a wonder that they're even allowed to wander about in public without adult supervision.

    Wouldn't you be more comfortable going out and lynching someone?
  • Arizona... Mississ... 2011/01/23 12:40:48 (edited)
    Arizona1950
    +1
    Ignore him. Not sure why he is in such a rant because this blog backs the law and is NOT anti-choice. However I am against beng forced to pay for another's choice. I just think there should be ways of opting out of it. Same as I would opt out of allowing someone to a facelift because they can't accept getting old. I for one am tired of my premiums going up because of the choices of others on what is nothing more than a form of birth control and cosmetic surgery to many.
  • J Ev StarrGa... 2011/11/06 19:23:47
    J Ev
    +1
    If someone shoots a pregnant woman, killing the baby, they are guilty of murder. So it is not murder when the mother kills it? The baby had no say in either case....

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