When it Comes to Politics, Are We More Racist Than We Think?
Manuel
2012/06/12 18:52:02
People are usually reluctant to admit their real feelings in surveys, but there's no doubt that our experiences and our prejudices play a part in the way we vote. In order to figure out whether racial bias
affected Barack Obama's results in the 2008 presidential election, Seth
Stephens-Davidowitz, a doctoral candidate in economics at Harvard
University, passed over easy-to-manipulate surveys and looked at data
from another source: online searches.
When most people are searching for information online, they're likely to
be alone and less likely to censor their thoughts, he explains. "You
may have typed things into Google that you would hesitate to admit in
polite company," he writes in a New York Times article. "I certainly have. The majority of Americans have as well: We Google the word 'porn' more often than the word 'weather'."
He chose a common racial insult that starts with "N" and looked for
searches that used the singular and plural forms of the word. "The most
common searches including the epithet… return websites with derogatory
material about African-Americans," he writes in his study.
"The top hits for the top racially charged searches are nearly all
textbook examples of antilocution, a majority group's sharing
stereotype-based jokes using coarse language outside a minority group's
presence."
That held true for searches from 2004 through 2007 (searches for "n**ga"
led mostly to rap lyrics, which he disregarded for this study). "I used
data from 2004 to 2007 because I wanted a measure not directly
influenced by feelings toward Mr. Obama," he writes in the New York
Times.
But from 2008 on, he discovered, "Obama" was one of the most prevalent search terms in racially tinged online searches.
After gathering information on the racially charged search queries,
Stephens-Davidowitz took a look at voting data from around the country
and compared each area's 2008 results, when Obama was running for
president, to voting results from 2004, when all of the candidates were
white.
Though many people believe that our first African-American president won
the election thanks in part to increased turnout by African-American
voters, Stephens-Davidowitz's research shows that those votes only added
about 1 percentage point to Obama's totals. "In the general election,
this effect was comparatively minor," he concludes. But in areas with
high racial search rates, the fact that Obama is African American worked
against him, sometimes significantly.
"The results imply that, relative to the most racially tolerant areas in
the United States, prejudice cost Obama between 3.1 percentage points
and 5.0 percentage points of the national popular vote,"
Stephens-Davidowitz points out in his study. "This implies racial animus
gave Obama's opponent roughly the equivalent of a home-state advantage
country-wide."
"Any votes Obama gained due to his race in the general election were not
nearly enough to outweigh the cost of racial animus, meaning race was a
large net negative for Obama," he adds.
Even if states that are considered fairly liberal, racism is prevalent
enough in certain areas to put the entire state high up on the list.
"Other areas with high percentages included western Pennsylvania,
eastern Ohio, upstate New York and southern Mississippi,"
Stephens-Davidowitz points out in his New York Times article.
The 10 states with the fewest racially charged searches were Utah,
Hawaii, Colorado, New Mexico, Idaho, Washington DC, Minnesota, Oregon,
Montana, and Wyoming.
What does this mean for this year's contest? "Losing even two percentage
points lowers the probability of a candidate's winning the popular vote
by a third," Stephens-Davidowitz explains. "Prejudice could cost Mr.
Obama crucial states like Ohio, Florida and even Pennsylvania."
Any opinions on this?
affected Barack Obama's results in the 2008 presidential election, Seth
Stephens-Davidowitz, a doctoral candidate in economics at Harvard
University, passed over easy-to-manipulate surveys and looked at data
from another source: online searches.
When most people are searching for information online, they're likely to
be alone and less likely to censor their thoughts, he explains. "You
may have typed things into Google that you would hesitate to admit in
polite company," he writes in a New York Times article. "I certainly have. The majority of Americans have as well: We Google the word 'porn' more often than the word 'weather'."
He chose a common racial insult that starts with "N" and looked for
searches that used the singular and plural forms of the word. "The most
common searches including the epithet… return websites with derogatory
material about African-Americans," he writes in his study.
"The top hits for the top racially charged searches are nearly all
textbook examples of antilocution, a majority group's sharing
stereotype-based jokes using coarse language outside a minority group's
presence."
That held true for searches from 2004 through 2007 (searches for "n**ga"
led mostly to rap lyrics, which he disregarded for this study). "I used
data from 2004 to 2007 because I wanted a measure not directly
influenced by feelings toward Mr. Obama," he writes in the New York
Times.
But from 2008 on, he discovered, "Obama" was one of the most prevalent search terms in racially tinged online searches.
After gathering information on the racially charged search queries,
Stephens-Davidowitz took a look at voting data from around the country
and compared each area's 2008 results, when Obama was running for
president, to voting results from 2004, when all of the candidates were
white.
Though many people believe that our first African-American president won
the election thanks in part to increased turnout by African-American
voters, Stephens-Davidowitz's research shows that those votes only added
about 1 percentage point to Obama's totals. "In the general election,
this effect was comparatively minor," he concludes. But in areas with
high racial search rates, the fact that Obama is African American worked
against him, sometimes significantly.
"The results imply that, relative to the most racially tolerant areas in
the United States, prejudice cost Obama between 3.1 percentage points
and 5.0 percentage points of the national popular vote,"
Stephens-Davidowitz points out in his study. "This implies racial animus
gave Obama's opponent roughly the equivalent of a home-state advantage
country-wide."
"Any votes Obama gained due to his race in the general election were not
nearly enough to outweigh the cost of racial animus, meaning race was a
large net negative for Obama," he adds.
Even if states that are considered fairly liberal, racism is prevalent
enough in certain areas to put the entire state high up on the list.
"Other areas with high percentages included western Pennsylvania,
eastern Ohio, upstate New York and southern Mississippi,"
Stephens-Davidowitz points out in his New York Times article.
The 10 states with the fewest racially charged searches were Utah,
Hawaii, Colorado, New Mexico, Idaho, Washington DC, Minnesota, Oregon,
Montana, and Wyoming.
What does this mean for this year's contest? "Losing even two percentage
points lowers the probability of a candidate's winning the popular vote
by a third," Stephens-Davidowitz explains. "Prejudice could cost Mr.
Obama crucial states like Ohio, Florida and even Pennsylvania."
Any opinions on this?
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Bibliophilic 2012/06/13 01:10:34+4A large percentage of the US population is racist. Deep down inside (or not) they believe that certain races are inferior to others. This is something I find distressing about humanity.






















American blacks are the most racist group in this country, bar none, and true enough, it showed up nicely in getting the useless Obama in the seat.
Perhaps you need to pull that politically correct popsicle stick from your butt. If you cannot discern the truly lousy quality this half-assed survey represents, you're a child. Since you're not a child, it's safe to assume you presented this hyper-assumptive garbage to bolster your apparent pro-Obama political stance.
If you want credibility, you'd do well to simply report percentages of white votes and percentages of black votes. All the credible polsters have written about the astronomically high percentage of blacks voting Obama in 2008.
Sounds like you're joining the parade of Liberal sycophants who are preparing in advance to blame the Obama admin's disgraceful ejection from Washington .... on, of course, race!
That proves my point...LBJ was a conservative Dixiecrat Democrat...and for the record...I like to see proof of those words...
And because you are using that to make such a stupid claim...Blacks have been voting ( or trying to vote because the conservative Dixiecrats of the south used violence to try and keep them out from voting for Liberal Democrats.) for the Liberal side of the Democrat Party ever since..they had their right to vote.
European-Americans are the only people to have enslaved other people. Blacks enslaved blacks, Indian tribes enslaved each other and Arabs have had slaves far predating any European. The taking of slaves has been human economic reality since people first discovered ..... collars! It continues to this day.
So this is your excuse to approve of it?...lol And originally the U.S. Constitution was not written for Native Americans or Blacks...The Civil war wasn't just summed up into just freeing slaves...because what good is being free if the ones being set free don't ...
That proves my point...LBJ was a conservative Dixiecrat Democrat...and for the record...I like to see proof of those words...
And because you are using that to make such a stupid claim...Blacks have been voting ( or trying to vote because the conservative Dixiecrats of the south used violence to try and keep them out from voting for Liberal Democrats.) for the Liberal side of the Democrat Party ever since..they had their right to vote.
European-Americans are the only people to have enslaved other people. Blacks enslaved blacks, Indian tribes enslaved each other and Arabs have had slaves far predating any European. The taking of slaves has been human economic reality since people first discovered ..... collars! It continues to this day.
So this is your excuse to approve of it?...lol And originally the U.S. Constitution was not written for Native Americans or Blacks...The Civil war wasn't just summed up into just freeing slaves...because what good is being free if the ones being set free don't have the same equal "Constitutional rights? That's like a fish jumping out of the frying pan into the fire...lol.
Had Lincoln lived, blacks would have gotten their these Constitution civil rights.and we would have never had all the Bull Shit that white conservatives of both parties threw on to black Americans.
Ever since Lincoln days Liberals and moderates who were the minorities of both very conservative parties were the ones trying to get equal rights for blacks. They are the ones from both those parties that fought over a 100 more years for black Americans to have these Constitution civil rights...
and as far as this goes....American blacks have had a history of being slaves. Boo hoo.
That's not the point of my answer back to you...the reality of it is they went from slaves to second class citizens ( fish out of the frying pan into the fire ) which was a lot more punishment for black society. Because conservative whites designed the system to keep the majority in poverty and give them the shitty end of the stick....That's what went on and and on...and still does to this day by the majority of white conservative from both parties...
Now if you made it to this line and want to say all this is a lie...then you truly are in denial.
Any more insults?...lol....I love when people on the right insult me...because I struck a true nerve in their hatred for truth...
Do you have anything coherant to spit out, son?
I think the conclusions drawn from it aren't consistent with a great many other factors. This is not say that many whites didn't vote for Obama because he is black. Just as many blacks did vote for him simply because he is black. To claim otherwise is to bury your head in the sand.
The author fails to adjust for the FACT that the overwhelming majority of black and other minority voters traditionally align themselves with the Democratic party and it's candidates.
He also appears to work off of the raw numbers from the election results which can also be misleading. He doesn't correct for the percentages in the population, which have to show the vast majority of those who did in fact vote for Obama, were white, voting by party and ideology rather than skin color. The same would hold true for the majority of those who voted against him.
I'm proud as hell this country voted in a black man as president. I just feel he was the WRONG black man.
I feel the right man is in the White House and not because he's black....
I merely pointed things out where his conclusion is incomplete or possibly erroneous because he doesn't use the data he collected correctly or honestly.
Answer these if you dare:
Was it also racist of the blacks that voted FOR Obama simply because he is black?
Was it also racist of the blacks that voted AGAINST Obama because since he is half white, he isn't black enough?
I never questioned your source.
I also never said YOU voted for him just because he is black.
Okay...I will answer your questions...now my answers can only be based on the side of the fence that whites drew the line at...in other words I lived on both sides of the fence as a dark skin foster child being raised in a white family...and experiencing what that color barrier did to me growing up... Hopefully you can understand what I am trying to say here...
Answer these if you dare:
Was it also racist of the blacks that voted FOR Obama simply because he is black?
I would have to say no to that...because nomad blacks such as gangstas just don't vote if they are not political....the only political radical racist black movements in America are The Black Muslim group and the New black Panther Party. Sure these have voted for Obama on skin color...but they are like less then one % of the black population that voted for Obama because like many whites, the majority of blacks were convinced he was the right man for the job.
Was it also racist of the blacks that voted AGAINST Obama because since he is half white, he isn't black enough?
Again,blacks that voted for Obama were convinced he was the right man for the job...blacks have a very different prospective on pol...
Okay...I will answer your questions...now my answers can only be based on the side of the fence that whites drew the line at...in other words I lived on both sides of the fence as a dark skin foster child being raised in a white family...and experiencing what that color barrier did to me growing up... Hopefully you can understand what I am trying to say here...
Answer these if you dare:
Was it also racist of the blacks that voted FOR Obama simply because he is black?
I would have to say no to that...because nomad blacks such as gangstas just don't vote if they are not political....the only political radical racist black movements in America are The Black Muslim group and the New black Panther Party. Sure these have voted for Obama on skin color...but they are like less then one % of the black population that voted for Obama because like many whites, the majority of blacks were convinced he was the right man for the job.
Was it also racist of the blacks that voted AGAINST Obama because since he is half white, he isn't black enough?
Again,blacks that voted for Obama were convinced he was the right man for the job...blacks have a very different prospective on politics...Most will vote for a Democrat President no matter what skin color or gender that person is...And blacks that voted against Obama were convinced he wasn't the right man for the job...because lets not forget...Obama being half white didn't affect the vote from the Black Muslim group and the New black Panther Party....The half white in Obama didn't phase them one bit...
So here we go:
I said that any whites who voted against Obama because of his skin color are indeed racist, and conceded that on some level, this did occur.
I then asked you if the blacks that voted for Obama simply BECAUSE he is black were also Racist. You say you have to say no to that. WTF??? Of course it is. To claim otherwise is intellectually dishonest. You go on to talk about RADICAL black groups and how they are the minority and don't really count. Well, you are ri...
So here we go:
I said that any whites who voted against Obama because of his skin color are indeed racist, and conceded that on some level, this did occur.
I then asked you if the blacks that voted for Obama simply BECAUSE he is black were also Racist. You say you have to say no to that. WTF??? Of course it is. To claim otherwise is intellectually dishonest. You go on to talk about RADICAL black groups and how they are the minority and don't really count. Well, you are right on that. Just as groups like the KKK are an extreme fringe of the white population. There can be NO DOUBT that both groups are RACIST, as long as you understand what the term means. You then go on to talk about how most blacks that voted for him did so because they thought he was the right man for the job. I will give the benefit of the doubt and say this may in fact be true. I think what is closer to the truth is they voted for him because he is a Democrat, regardless of skin color or how they thought of his ability to do the job. The sad truth is most of the electorate, again, regardless of skin color, is ill-informed. The vast majority of the voting poor, across the ethnic scale vote Democrat, and they do so because the Dems "give" them things.
I then asked you if the blacks that voted against Obama becuase he is half white and therefore not black ENOUGH were racist. Again you say no. Once more this leads me to believe that you have no real understanding of what racism is.
The bottom line is this; ANYBODY voting for or against ANY candidate, based on their ethnicity, is being racist.
Now, it is my contention that any of this had little effect on the outcome of the election. The numbers basically just offset each other, making it a wash. Obama simply could not have been elected WITHOUT a significant percentage of the white vote. This is why I raved your question/poll/post, whatever we call it here. The study presented an interesting statistic, but that is all it is, an interesting statistic. I don't question his numbers that he used to draw his conclusion. I just question his conclusion because because he didn't use enough data that corrects for the factors I previously mentioned to you, to draw his conclusion.
You do have many poor blacks and even poor whites voting democrats. Yes Because they give them things..some people just can't make it...they need housing, food stamps, welfare, you name it...it will be used and abused....
And just think if unemployment benefits ended 3 years ago...what would happen to all those people?
And on top of this...you do have blacks and whites who were never on welfare that actually voted for Obama BECAUSE they thought he was the right man for the job...
But consider how life was for poor people before all these programs came about...people and families were thrown literally out into the streets, kids and people died in the streets,...rats ate dead bodies that were found like a week later...a lot of this was just not tied to blacks...whites that were poor although not on the same scale as blacks but died too for lack of shelter and food...Back in the 20's bread lines and churches couldn...
You do have many poor blacks and even poor whites voting democrats. Yes Because they give them things..some people just can't make it...they need housing, food stamps, welfare, you name it...it will be used and abused....
And just think if unemployment benefits ended 3 years ago...what would happen to all those people?
And on top of this...you do have blacks and whites who were never on welfare that actually voted for Obama BECAUSE they thought he was the right man for the job...
But consider how life was for poor people before all these programs came about...people and families were thrown literally out into the streets, kids and people died in the streets,...rats ate dead bodies that were found like a week later...a lot of this was just not tied to blacks...whites that were poor although not on the same scale as blacks but died too for lack of shelter and food...Back in the 20's bread lines and churches couldn't even keep up with people losing everything...and whites were served first, blacks were lucky to get something if their was something....
Like I said...Racists groups will vote for color....but everybody else no matter what color a candidate is... they are are gonna vote according to their needs...
The Rich are gonna vote according to their needs....the poor are gonna vote according to their needs...and everyone in between these two groups will vote according to their needs...and the racists will vote for their skin color...
You have a lot of freakin nerve to call me dishonest....
As to the rest of your post we actually largely agree.
You still haven't answered my questions though. You keep changing the subject and talking around it. Throw out the discussion of fringe groups like the KKK or NBPP. We already KNOW they are racist. I will change the question to make it all encompassing, and it only requires a yes or no answer.
I say that ANYBODY, regardless of ethnicity/race/skin color, who votes strictly on the basis of a candidates ethnicity/race/skin color, is acting in a racist manner and are therefore themselves, racist. Is my statement correct, yes or no? YES or NO?
I did not call you a liar or say YOU were dishonest. I said if you answer no to my questions, you either don't know what racism really means, or you are BEING intellectually dishonest. There is a huge difference. If you took that as me calling YOU a liar, I apologize, as that is NOT my intent.
Really? I can't believe that we are in debt 16 trillion and you say we aren't bankrupt. I hope you don't have any credit cards.