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When Did Corporations Become "People"?

PrettyGurl18 2012/06/15 12:17:11
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  • Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮ 2012/07/02 03:57:42
    Brian ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    The minute a PERSON or PERSONS instituted that corporate entity, it effectively became an extension of that person or persons.
  • Tasine 2012/07/02 02:41:26
    Tasine
    The day they replaced the robots with human members. Anybody should know that!
  • Dwight PWCM 2012/07/02 01:30:51
    Dwight PWCM
    +1
    I have been told this.

    In the middle ages windmills and watermills were taxed by both secular and church governments. They were viewed as being "labour saving" and therefore a supply of labour themselves. Legal foolery, but there you go. It was determined that they should be taxed.

    latter on this was applied in common law and was expanded to include Charters and Corporations, both being means of wealth accumilation. latter it was determined that to be fair, if they were to be taxed as intities they deserved a voice as entities.

    I don't know just how accurate this is, but it was related by an economics Prof. at school.
  • Striker 2012/07/01 22:59:15
    Striker
    +1
    222 "opinions" and nobody answered the question. LOL
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/01 22:25:05
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    They always were. Any joint-stock corporation has investors who own it. In the end, some person or persons owns the stock, directly or indirectly. Those investors have certain rights. I suspect that some people want to destroy all private investments.
  • rocat 2012/07/01 22:21:45
    rocat
    +4
    they did not-
    it is a lie-
    a legal fiction-

    designed to protect the elite from their own misdeeds...
    while they continue reaping the spoils-

    also serves as a veil...
    to hide them-

    some of us are not fooled-
  • Soundstorm 2012/06/23 07:44:44
    Soundstorm
    +1
    When they were founded by people.

    The whole 'corporations aren't people' talking point is the left's attempt to restrict the right of citizens to organize into groups that can effectively campaign against government policies they oppose according to their constitutional rights of lawful assembly. The organized institutions and bureaucracies of government are better prepared to control and oppress individual citizens than united entities such as corporations which level the playing field of power.
  • PrettyG... Soundstorm 2012/06/23 11:10:24
    PrettyGurl18
    wrong as usual.
  • Soundstorm PrettyG... 2012/06/24 05:09:35
    Soundstorm
    And you can't give a logical reason why as usual.
  • PrettyG... Soundstorm 2012/06/24 10:40:15
    PrettyGurl18
    I just can't be bothered to teach people with hard heads.
  • Soundstorm PrettyG... 2012/06/24 23:01:10
    Soundstorm
    You just can't admit you have nothing to teach, can you? You only want to demonize corporations without bothering to allow any understanding of their purpose to penetrate your own hard head. That's why you'll only fling personal insults and trash talk rather than engage my argument.
  • PrettyG... Soundstorm 2012/06/25 02:41:56
    PrettyGurl18
    Your argument is irrelevant to the question. If you want to learn, read about corporations before and after the civil war. You are way off target.
  • Soundstorm PrettyG... 2012/06/25 05:45:05
    Soundstorm
    I never take homework assignments from dunces.

    Dunce Boy
  • PrettyG... Soundstorm 2012/06/25 10:45:27
    PrettyGurl18
    lol that's okay. you have too much pride to admit you are in need of knowledge on the subject but perhaps you will privately study it on your own.
  • Soundstorm PrettyG... 2012/06/28 09:17:57
    Soundstorm
    And what do YOU know about the subject of which you have studiously avoided divulging any of your pearls of wisdom about while indulging in your childish trash talk the last few days?
  • PrettyG... Soundstorm 2012/06/28 09:32:39
    PrettyGurl18
    Basically that corporations were once strictly controlled and regulated for the common good, whereas now they have gained the right to exist and do as they please. Check out my blog, "Corporations, once our servants now our masters", and see if you find it interesting.
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • Soundstorm PrettyG... 2012/06/29 05:18:51
    Soundstorm
    What is commonly referred to as the The Common Good is in reality only good for Washington politicians and bureaucrats. The free citizens of the private sector are far more qualified to decide for themselves what their common good is. And to form corporations independent of government to pursue their common good.
  • PrettyG... Soundstorm 2012/06/29 09:54:43
    PrettyGurl18
    I knew it was a waste of time. Good day.
  • Soundstorm PrettyG... 2012/07/01 22:00:44
    Soundstorm
    You'll have yourself many more wasted days as you pursue your activism to diminish the liberties of Americans.
  • rocat Soundstorm 2012/07/01 22:32:06
    rocat
    +3
    corporations are not "americans"-
  • Soundstorm rocat 2012/07/02 20:35:11
    Soundstorm
    A corporation cannot exist without Americans to establish it. A corporation isn't a 'thing' but the expression of people's livelihoods, philosophies and pursuit of happiness. Denying a corporation's civil legitimacy is as consequential as denying our individual sovereignty as free citizens.
  • rocat Soundstorm 2012/07/02 22:06:26
    rocat
    +3
    a corp is a collective-
    socialist capitalist hybrid-

    if a corp is not a "thing" it is not a person-

    if it is not a person...
    our individual sovereignty...
    is irrelevant to that-

    the bill of rights was penned for individuals...
    not collectives-

    your explanation assumes many givens...
    that are simply false-

    and irrelevancies-

    corps can have legitimacy ...
    without being classed as persons-
  • Soundstorm rocat 2012/07/06 07:21:20
    Soundstorm
    The Socialist Capitalist hybrid you're describing is something other than a corporation.
    The "right of the people peaceably to assemble" is part of our first amendment. A corporation is an assembly of people united for a common purpose. Obama and the left are threatened by any organized assembly of people that is not subject to government ideology. That's what's behind all their "corporations are not people" rhetoric. I'm surprised a Libertarian like yourself would buy into their propaganda.
  • rocat Soundstorm 2012/07/06 08:47:55
    rocat
    +3
    i am stunned that you would stretch the peaceful assembly clause...
    to such a point-

    you have to be kidding me-

    i sincerely doubt ...
    the founding fathers ...
    were envisioning corporate lobbyists there-
  • Soundstorm rocat 2012/07/08 22:13:45
    Soundstorm
    The founding fathers were themselves a corporation. If they weren't organized to form a new government and defeat the British all this would have never happened.
  • rocat Soundstorm 2012/07/12 07:26:31
  • Soundstorm rocat 2012/07/14 23:37:19
    Soundstorm
    That's a fine way to talk about the founding of our country. No fireworks for you!
  • rocat Soundstorm 2012/07/02 22:09:00
    rocat
    +3
    further...
    giving equal rights to a corp...
    reduces the value of those rights ...
    to us real people-
  • Soundstorm rocat 2012/07/06 07:24:52
    Soundstorm
    Denying rights to a corporation leaves us as vulnerable individuals to the burden of every intimidation and liability by the government. Independently organized assemblies of individuals are the first things despots target to consolidate their absolute control.
  • rocat Soundstorm 2012/07/06 08:53:04
    rocat
    +3
    is the assembly crap all you got???

    assemble all you want-
    but your "group"...
    does not become a legal person-

    the despots...
    are found on the donor lists of both partys-
    now how clear is that???
  • Soundstorm rocat 2012/07/08 22:17:59
    Soundstorm
    There are good corporations and bad corporations but a corporation is still a legal entity formed by conscientious individuals. Now don't start feeling frustrated just because the "corporations are not people" bumper sticker is all you've got for your empty debating points.
  • rocat Soundstorm 2012/07/08 23:16:03
    rocat
    +1
    nearly nothing...
    in govt...
    business...
    and the illusion of an economy...
    is how it outta be-

    it is these imbalances ...
    and deceits...
    ...these ploys...
    that frustrate me-

    i subscribe to...
    the "follow the money" adage-
    which meshes quite tidily...
    with the "KISS" rule-

    simple and clear...
    is how reality almost always manifests-
    the complexity is redesigner dressings-

    who is the redesigner???
    follow the money-
  • Soundstorm rocat 2012/07/12 07:04:16
    Soundstorm
    I'd rather get the government out of the business of following everybody's money. Starting with the repeal of the 16th amendment and no less than a 75% roll back of the Internal Revenue Service. Generating wealth either as an individual or as a corporation isn't a criminal offense and I place the specter of suspicion rather on those who treat it as such.
  • rocat Soundstorm 2012/07/12 07:29:55
    rocat
    +1
    generating wealth is never criminal-

    siphoning it from local economys...
    for a collective...
    should be-

    honest wealth...
    is generated thru production-
  • Soundstorm rocat 2012/07/14 23:38:33
    Soundstorm
    So why beat up on corporations like some Commie wannabe?
  • rocat Soundstorm 2012/07/14 23:50:45
    rocat
    +1
    because they wreak havoc on local economies-
    siphoning away the fruit of our labor ...
    to their ivory towers-

    they feed off govt...
    like welfare whores-

    they have hijacked the political realm in dc and on down-

    they killed mom n pop-

    corps by their very centralized nature...
    mimic the bloated govt...
    and centralized power of communism/fascism-
    they just dress in capitalist clothes-

    ayn rand portrayed this form of "capitalism"...
    in atlas shrugged-

    the real capitalists in her novel...
    like dagny taggart and reardon...
    would have never accepted govt welfare-

    crony capitalism...
    is phony capitalism-
  • Soundstorm rocat 2012/07/16 23:48:35
    Soundstorm
    They bring economies where hardly any existed locally before. You call that havoc?
  • rocat Soundstorm 2012/07/17 00:04:37
    rocat
    +1
    they throw peanuts to fools-
    and cart away loads of capital-

    mom and pop...
    provided local jobs-
  • Soundstorm rocat 2012/07/17 08:51:29
    Soundstorm
    Mom and pop provided jobs for themselves since it was all they could afford.
  • rocat Soundstorm 2012/07/17 09:06:30
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