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What's worse, Bush's recession or Obama's recovery?

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  • UnusualSuspect 2012/08/28 15:37:33
    Bush's recession is worse.
    UnusualSuspect
    +7
    At least we're coming out the mess Bush left us...albeit slowly...

    I'd rather come out of a storm than go into one...

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  • Christopher Kirchen 2012/09/12 02:47:37
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    Christopher Kirchen
    There should be an option of "about the same".
  • ☆ QueenAline 2012/08/30 03:26:30
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    ☆ QueenAline
    +1
    He is a complete and utter failure in everything he's done....
  • Elleryqueen 2012/08/29 19:53:45
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    Elleryqueen
    +1
    Why is it that the libs, et al, seem to forget that Democrats controlled BOTH Congress and Senate the last two years of Bushs' term, so when things started going south, it was under their watch.
  • dominic garcia 2012/08/29 14:50:21
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    dominic garcia
    +1
    Obama got more than enough TRILLIONS to fix things and he FAILED! You don't go around paying off your constituents and giving money to other countries when you are going bankrupt. Lets face it, he mismanaged the stimulus and divided our country like never before!
  • Hula girl - Friends not Fol... 2012/08/29 06:00:51
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +1
    It wasn't Bush that sued to force banks to give loans to those that couldn't afford those homes....Obama did that....with the help of the democrats which includes Clinton.

    It was Bush and the Republicans that warned against it while the Democrats lied and said there wasn't a problem.

    It wasn't Republicans running the House or Senate when the economy went south it was the Democrats. They made the bills, they signed the bills and if they didn't like the bills they could have over come what the President has signed. Obama was one of them. His name is on that debt just like they claim Bush's was. It was Obama that took the 2nd largest amount of money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but he was the one that took the most for the shortest amount of time. Can we say pay off boys and girls.
  • shadow76 Hula gi... 2012/09/01 15:50:54
    shadow76
    +1
    Oh You are so right!
  • Red Branch 2012/08/29 03:30:24
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    Red Branch
    +1
    I don't have the stats readily available, but with 125 posts already, they are probably posted.
  • The.Z.Viru5 2012/08/29 01:31:07
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    The.Z.Viru5
    +1
    I loathe Bush too, but I have to say the unemployment rate was still lower when he was in office. That's about all you can say about his poor excuse of a Presidency.
  • Theresa 2012/08/29 00:58:02
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    Theresa
    +4
    Bush did not lay us with 5.4 Trillion Debt!
  • CAROLYN NTARWNJBS 2012/08/29 00:04:14
    Bush's recession is worse.
    CAROLYN NTARWNJBS
    We are finally coming out of the mess Bush got us into.
  • Lawnmow... CAROLYN... 2012/08/29 03:56:22
    Lawnmowerman~PWCM~JLA
    Sweet Barney Frank got us into the mess by lying about the health Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac so his boyfriend, who worked at Fannie Mae, wouldn't lose his job.
    Bush was a fiscal socialist and a big spender, but the Dear Leader is a quantum leap in the art of debt accumulation, spending more than the previous 43 presidents COMBINED.
  • Hula gi... Lawnmow... 2012/08/29 06:06:41
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +1
    And that Obama sued Citibank in the first place that forced the banks to give loans to those that could not afford them, even knowing many would fail. Lawnmower...lets refresh Carolyn's memory...they seem to fail on a bit of that history.

  • Vlorr 2012/08/28 22:47:09
  • Hula gi... Vlorr 2012/08/29 06:07:55
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    +1
    Best learn your history...Obama put us in the position to fail way way back. Let me give you a bit of history you may seem to overlook.

  • Vlorr Hula gi... 2012/08/29 06:23:36
  • Hula gi... Vlorr 2012/08/29 07:17:11
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    I guess you don't watch factual news with Your Obama speaking. Wow, that explains a lot.

    TOTALLY IGNORANT OF THE TRUTH.
  • Vlorr Hula gi... 2012/08/29 07:25:05
    Vlorr
    Haha.
    I hate Obama.
    I also hate Mitt Romney.
    My Obama?
    Please. Read my reply's before you write yours ok?
  • Hula gi... Vlorr 2012/08/29 18:08:50
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    Then again you are stupid. I guess if if you know nothing you get nothing then what can anyone expect in return.
  • Vlorr Hula gi... 2012/08/29 19:57:49
    Vlorr
    Don't insult me because we don't agree on opinions.
    It just proves how immature you are.
  • Hula gi... Vlorr 2012/08/29 20:45:36
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    No just proves you are too ignorant to look up facts.
  • Vlorr Hula gi... 2012/08/29 20:47:41
  • Vision of Verve 2012/08/28 22:43:24
  • zapped 2012/08/28 22:03:31
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    zapped
    +4
    it's the obvious intent on socialism that has me baffled , and the sheeples are allowing it !

    and defiantly defending him !
  • DuncanONeil 2012/08/28 20:43:47
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    DuncanONeil
    +3
    Don't forget when the recession ended. Obama said he had nothing to do with that ending.
  • Mr. Smith 2012/08/28 20:30:32
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    Mr. Smith
    +3
    Bush inherited an economy going into recession, then 9/11 happened, throwing us into a deeper recession. Bush's tax cuts successfully brought unemployment down from 6.3% in June 2003 (the month the Bush tax cuts went into effect), down to 4.4% by Oct. 2006.

    Obama also inherited a bad economy, but Obama's policies have kept us above 8% unemployment for his entire Presidency, zero net new jobs.

    Obama loses this contest every time!
  • mich52 2012/08/28 20:07:55
    Bush's recession is worse.
    mich52
    +1
    Obviously the Recession.. Why?

    Simply because we are no longer in a recession per the officials at the NBER.. Its their job and the only one that counts..
  • Hula gi... mich52 2012/08/29 06:09:50
    Hula girl - Friends not Followers
    You mean the recession that Democrats were in charge of the House and Senate. That Obama forced the banks to give loans to those that couldn't afford them.

    Sorry that wasn't Bush's fault. He and the Republicans warned 17 times about the problem yet Barney Frank and the Democrats wouldn't listen. You just may need to be reminded of facts.

  • Boris D. 2012/08/28 20:04:25
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    Boris D.
    +3
    The Bush recession was due to the housing crisis. Bush pressured congress to change the sub-prime time-bomb that Clinton set in motion since his first budget in 2001, but was blocked at every turn by democrats like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Barack Obama.

    For many years President Bush and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at a housing government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted. Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems.

    2001

    April: The Administration's FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is "a potential problem," because "financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity."

    2002

    May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for co...




































































    The Bush recession was due to the housing crisis. Bush pressured congress to change the sub-prime time-bomb that Clinton set in motion since his first budget in 2001, but was blocked at every turn by democrats like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Barack Obama.

    For many years President Bush and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at a housing government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted. Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems.

    2001

    April: The Administration's FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is "a potential problem," because "financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity."

    2002

    May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)

    2003

    January: Freddie Mac announces it has to restate financial results for the previous three years.

    February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that "although investors perceive an implicit Federal guarantee of [GSE] obligations," "the government has provided no explicit legal backing for them." As a consequence, unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market. ("Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO," OFHEO Report, 2/4/03)

    September: Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges OFHEO's review found earnings manipulations.

    September: Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact "legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises" and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.

    October: Fannie Mae discloses $1.2 billion accounting error.

    November: Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any "legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk." To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have "broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards" and "receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)

    2004

    February: The President's FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital, and called for creation of a new, world-class regulator: "The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore…should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator." (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)

    February: CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to "not take [the financial market's] strength for granted." Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by "ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, "Keeping Fannie And Freddie's House In Order," Financial Times, 2/24/04)

    June: Deputy Secretary of Treasury Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and called for reform, saying "We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System." (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)

    2005

    April: Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying "Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America… Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system." (Secretary John W. Snow, "Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee," 4/13/05)

    2007

    July: Two Bear Stearns hedge funds invested in mortgage securities collapse.

    August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, The White House, 8/9/07)

    September: RealtyTrac announces foreclosure filings up 243,000 in August – up 115 percent from the year before.

    September: Single-family existing home sales decreases 7.5 percent from the previous month – the lowest level in nine years. Median sale price of existing homes fell six percent from the year before.

    December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07)

    2008

    January: Bank of America announces it will buy Countrywide.

    January: Citigroup announces mortgage portfolio lost $18.1 billion in value.

    February: Assistant Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, says "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully." (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)

    March: Bear Stearns announces it will sell itself to JPMorgan Chase.

    March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages." (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)

    April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)

    May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.

    "Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)


    "[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)


    "Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)


    June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)

    July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing

    After July - present: Democrats blame Bush
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  • mich52 Boris D. 2012/08/28 20:15:30 (edited)
    mich52
    +2
    To bad your "facts" are full of holes..



    On October 26, 2005, the House passed H.R. 1461, the "Federal Housing Finance Reform Act of 2005," by a vote of 331-90. The bill would create a single, independent regulator to oversee the activities of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banks. It contains several NAR-supported provisions, including an increased regional conforming loan limit for high cost areas, no statutory limitation on retained mortgage portfolios, and a streamlined program approval process. The bill would still require the new regulator to define mortgage origination and the secondary mortgage market. The GSEs would be prohibited from participating in any activity not considered a secondary market activity. The bill did exempt existing automated underwriting, consumer education, and counseling programs from this definition. It also creates a new extremely-low- and low-income housing program, mostly to build rental housing, that is funded by five percent of the GSEs after-tax profits.


    The Senate Banking Committee reported its GSE reform bill, S. 190, the "Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005" on July 28, 2005 by a straight party-line vote. This bill takes a more draconian approach to GSE reform with severe limitations on GSE portfolios. It does not contain regional conforming loan limit language or affordable housing funds.
  • Boris D. mich52 2012/08/29 03:01:17
    Boris D.
    +1
    Your link doesn't work.

    I should let you know that a bill has to pass both houses to become law, which that never did.

    Like this one never did, http://www.nytimes.com/2003/0...
    which likely would have prevented the housing crisis...
  • mich52 Boris D. 2012/08/29 03:10:49 (edited)
  • Hula gi... mich52 2012/08/29 06:13:40
  • zapped Boris D. 2012/08/28 22:06:21
    zapped
    +2
    nothing wrong with you facts BORIS .......spot on !

    the obamabots just hate the truth !
  • Boris D. zapped 2012/08/29 03:02:54
    Boris D.
    +1
    Thanks. It is his facts that are incorrect.
  • zapped Boris D. 2012/08/29 03:08:26
    zapped
    +2
    WE KNOW THAT .. he does as well ...but is programmed ...!

    and it's in his contract to dispell any truths & polls that are laiden w/ anti soetoro truths ...

    he & many others are .trolls phishing for this same content ,,

    mich finally blocked me because & challenged his perceptions of the truth ,,and dispelled all his facts !..he got pisssed !

    but like his idol ,, the truth isn't to their liking !
  • mich52 Boris D. 2012/08/29 23:02:28
    mich52
    You must be too ignorant to understand them....

    I showed you the truth...
  • BAD DOG 2012/08/28 19:38:42
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    BAD DOG
    +3
    obama  s recovery

    How about that 3 jobs in BFE !
  • Kat 2012/08/28 18:52:55
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    Kat
    +4
    Much worse
  • sglmom 2012/08/28 18:22:01
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    sglmom
    +4
    A misnomer for sure ..
    since there's so much misery ..
    this is NOT a 'recovery' ..
    this is more of a depression ..
    with wide swaths of unemployment, foreclosures .. and other suffering ..
  • Lynn DC 2012/08/28 18:19:18
    Obama's recovery is worse.
    Lynn DC
    +5
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