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What's More Important: Freedom or Safety?

AdriHead 2012/07/20 18:32:35
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With the latest shooting tragedy in Colorado, gun control is undoubtedly on everyone's mind. I know it's not as black and white as "freedom vs. safety" but people in the "pro-gun" camp seem to cite freedom, liberty and the 2nd amendment while talking about their right to carry guns. And as for the "anti-gun" camp, many cite the safety and well-being of the general public, as criminals and people with mental disorders will not have such easy access to weapons that kill. What do you think is more important: freedom or safety?

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  • winning... Racefish 2012/07/21 19:51:42
    winningsouls
    Yep.
  • lm1b2 2012/07/21 17:20:26
    Freedom
    lm1b2
    +1
    Without the"Freedom" to own a weapon there is no Freedom!
  • winning... lm1b2 2012/07/21 19:51:58
    winningsouls
    Mmmm.
  • David Hussey 2012/07/21 17:12:07
    Freedom
    David Hussey
    +1
    Safety is an illusion, liberty is what matters.

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
  • winning... David H... 2012/07/21 19:52:24
    winningsouls
    +1
    Interesting.
  • friend.wilkins 2012/07/21 17:06:24
    Freedom
    friend.wilkins
    I would rather be free, living on the edge, with danger lurking around every corner... To hell with safety!! When I was a kid, I NEVER put on a helmet! Hell, back in 1985, when I was 11, I rode my bike all the way across the southside of Detroit to downtown and all the way back to my home in Wyandotte, MI. Lucky for me, my Dad never found out... Let me tell you, that was my first taste of freedom, and since then, I never looked back...
  • jumpboots 187th PIR 2012/07/21 17:03:16
    Freedom
    jumpboots 187th PIR
    +2
    I have fought for it,and will do so again if need to............Y'ALL......
  • NoName 2012/07/21 16:47:54
    Freedom
    NoName
    +1
    Ultimately, though, this is a false dichotomy as the two are not entirely exclusive of one another - contrary to what those pushing for the TSA, etc seem to believe.
  • winning... NoName 2012/07/21 19:53:32
    winningsouls
    Or maybe what the Mason brotherhood wants you to know & believe !
  • ☆GrayBear☆ (Ursus Americanus) 2012/07/21 16:44:39
    Freedom
    ☆GrayBear☆ (Ursus Americanus)
    +4
    What I believe:

    Your unalienable rights are established by your Creator and are not subject to be given, removed or altered by any man or government. An entitlement is granted by government and is only an entitlement as long as it is granted.

    Mankind has the right to self-government, to bear arms for self defense and to own, develop and dispose of property. We have the right to make personal choices, of free conscience and to choose our profession. We have the right to choose a mate and beget our own kind.

    We have the right to assemble, to petition and of free speech. We have the right to, but not always the benefit of, a free press.

    We have the right to enjoy the fruits of our labor, to explore and develop the natural resources of the earth, to improve our position through barter and sale, the right to contrive and invent.

    We have the right to privacy, to personal security and to provide nature's necessities - air, water, food, clothing and shelter. We have the right to contract, to free association, and to a fair trial.

    Along with these rights come some public and private duties to maintain those same rights. Forgetting these is where it all began to go horribly wrong.

    First, we have the duty to honor the supremacy of the Creator and his laws. The duty not to take the...











    What I believe:

    Your unalienable rights are established by your Creator and are not subject to be given, removed or altered by any man or government. An entitlement is granted by government and is only an entitlement as long as it is granted.

    Mankind has the right to self-government, to bear arms for self defense and to own, develop and dispose of property. We have the right to make personal choices, of free conscience and to choose our profession. We have the right to choose a mate and beget our own kind.

    We have the right to assemble, to petition and of free speech. We have the right to, but not always the benefit of, a free press.

    We have the right to enjoy the fruits of our labor, to explore and develop the natural resources of the earth, to improve our position through barter and sale, the right to contrive and invent.

    We have the right to privacy, to personal security and to provide nature's necessities - air, water, food, clothing and shelter. We have the right to contract, to free association, and to a fair trial.

    Along with these rights come some public and private duties to maintain those same rights. Forgetting these is where it all began to go horribly wrong.

    First, we have the duty to honor the supremacy of the Creator and his laws. The duty not to take the life of another except in self-defense, to not steal or destroy the property of another and to be honest in all transactions with others.

    Children have the duty to honor and obey their parents and elders while parents have the duty to protect, teach, feed, clothe and provide shelter for children.

    We have the duty to support law and order and to keep the peace, not to contrive through a covetous heart to despoil another, to honorably perform contracts and covenants both with God and man and to not trespass on the property or privacy of another.

    We have the duty to provide, to the best of our ability, for the needs of the helpless - the sick, the crippled, the injured, the poverty-stricken. The duty to become economically self-sufficient.

    We have the duty to maintain the integrity of the family structure, to perpetuate the human race, to be temperate and to not promote or participate in the vices that destroy personal and community life.

    We have the duty to support personal and public standards of common decency, to follow the rules of moral rectitude and to not aid or abet those involved in criminal or anti-social activities.

    And we have the duty to perform our civic responsibilities - VOTE, assist public officials, serve in official capacities when called upon, stay informed on public issues, volunteer where needed.
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  • ☆GrayBe... ☆GrayBe... 2012/07/21 16:52:15
    ☆GrayBear☆ (Ursus Americanus)
    +1
    "Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."
    Thomas Jefferson

    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

    Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
  • winning... ☆GrayBe... 2012/07/21 19:54:09
    winningsouls
    +1
    Nice research .
  • ☆GrayBe... winning... 2012/07/21 22:40:12
    ☆GrayBear☆ (Ursus Americanus)
    Thank you.
  • winning... ☆GrayBe... 2012/07/21 19:53:49
    winningsouls
    Okay ?
  • Sherloc... winning... 2012/07/21 22:54:23
  • Michael S. ☆GrayBe... 2012/07/21 22:45:07
    Michael S.
    +1
    There's some of this I disagree with, but it's too well-written not to appreciate. :p
  • ☆GrayBe... Michael S. 2012/07/21 23:01:20
    ☆GrayBear☆ (Ursus Americanus)
    That's the beauty of America, you have the right to disagree and form your own opinions and beliefs. And, before I forget, thank you.

    Just curious, but which parts would you disagree with? For most it's that bit in there about the Creator.....
  • Michael S. ☆GrayBe... 2012/07/21 23:12:12 (edited)
    Michael S.
    That bit is part of it: Believers obviously have a duty to honor the Creator, but I see that as a separate issue from our rights relative to each other and what it means to be an American. I'm also uncomfortable with absolutes about children obeying parents, etc.

    When you say "We have the duty to support personal and public standards of common decency," my agreement largely depends on what it means. Does it have more to do with how we treat each other, or is it a call for social conservatism? I live a pretty "conservative" lifestyle, but I don't demand it from others, and I wouldn't agree that it's fair or necessary to do so.

    Last, I'm not really feeling the moral duty to assist public officials either (and I definitely don't believe in a legal duty of the sort): In what way should they be assisted? What if the public officials are acting to undermine natural rights? It really depends on the specifics to me.

    In short, it's more that there are parts that I'm not comfortable with than parts that I necessarily think are "totally wrong."
  • L1 2012/07/21 16:41:59
    Freedom
    L1
    +3
    There is no such thing as complete safety whether with or without weapons. I will prefer freedom.
  • winning... L1 2012/07/21 19:54:24
    winningsouls
    Ahh.
  • Jay Calderone 2012/07/21 16:37:05
    Freedom
    Jay Calderone
    +1
    sure, safety might help you live longer (probably not) but even if it did, what kind of a life would that be, where you're so afraid of everything because it might be unsafe that you just stay inside all the time? why is everyone so afraid lately?
  • winning... Jay Cal... 2012/07/21 19:55:24
    winningsouls
    Ahh, because they don't have Jesus in their life.
  • Sherloc... winning... 2012/07/21 22:55:17
  • RED DAWN 2012/07/21 16:35:29
    Freedom
    RED DAWN
    +8
    Freedom is more important.Gun control only controls guns belonging to people that respect the law.No control will ever take away the guns of the criminals. have gun will travel
  • winning... RED DAWN 2012/07/21 19:56:59
    winningsouls
    Well, I rather have eternal life with Jesus ,than to have a gun and live all eternality in HELL !
  • Sherloc... winning... 2012/07/21 22:55:42
  • Michael S. winning... 2012/07/21 23:47:30 (edited)
    Michael S.
    I just checked with the Bible, and it turns out you're right: All gun owners ARE going to hell. Wow...you learn something every day! ;)
  • rdmatheny 2012/07/21 16:32:16
    Freedom
    rdmatheny
    +4
    This poll really baffles me. If you look, everyone WANTS freedom, yet when it comes time for voting, they ELECT safety.

    I think the indoctrination of the American people has got them royally screwed up in the head.
  • lstl5 2012/07/21 16:26:32
    Safety
    lstl5
    +2
    You arent really free if you are not safe. For instance, I wont go to certain areas of town, not because I am not free to do so, but because it isnt safe. Ya hear me??
  • Bill lstl5 2012/07/21 19:47:16
    Bill
    What if those people come into YOUR area? What? 9-11? Good luck.
  • lstl5 Bill 2012/07/21 20:15:11
    lstl5
    They couldnt come into my area, and lay on the sidewalks or do drugs on the corner or we would call 911, and I dont live in a lavish neighborhood by any stretch.
  • Bill lstl5 2012/07/21 21:41:34 (edited)
    Bill
    +1
    And when they break in and rip that phone from your hand? Lavish or not, you suffer. How quickly do you think the police would respond to a vagrant laying the sidewalk or a suspected drug transaction? One doesn't need a weapon for those types. I hope it never happens to you.
  • lstl5 Bill 2012/07/22 12:38:19
    lstl5
    They would come very quickly. Cops drive thru our neighborhood constantly. We had a shooting across the street a few years ago and a kid was killed. I saw him laying in their driveway. It was a drive by and I was in the back bedroom and it was like the shooters were in the house. It sounded like a machine gun going off. I heard sirens almost immedicately after the incident. We live in a low income neighborhood with houses ranging from $50-75,000. We have lots of stuff happening here on some of these streets. What I am saying is that the downtown area is full of prostitutes, street people, etc. I dont go there very often because I dont feel safe.
  • Bill lstl5 2012/07/22 13:26:00
    Bill
    I'm glad they came quickly. However, there are time when they may not. In three minutes (or less) you could be harmed. What if you couldn't get to your phone but could get to a weapon. Then, you've just leveled the playing fireld in your advantage.
  • lstl5 Bill 2012/07/22 13:59:19
    lstl5
    I was on the phone with cops when the shots rang out, and besides, they had a vendetta against the neighbor. There was stuff going on before the incident, so I knew something was going to go down. They werent out to kill anyone else. IN fact, they were soldiers. My son said they had 9mm pistols, and the shots came one right after each other. Yes, I keep my doors locked during the day, and I dont answer the door for anyone unless I know who it is. I also have an alarm which I can trigger if needed, but I use it most of the time when I leave the house. I would get a gun except that I have grandchildren and I cant take the chance of one of them getting ahold of it.
  • stevegtexas@aol.com 2012/07/21 16:23:26
    Safety
    stevegtexas@aol.com
    Momma always said, "theres safety in numbers!" (end of quote)..... and that allows freedom is what i think! 2012.
  • CAPISCE stevegt... 2012/07/21 16:29:10
    CAPISCE
    +1
    True but safety requires the ability to defend oneself with equal force. 100 unarmed vs 1 armed ain't so safe, if u get my drift.
  • ☆GrayBe... stevegt... 2012/07/21 16:52:41
    ☆GrayBear☆ (Ursus Americanus)
    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
  • Al B Thayer 2012/07/21 16:23:13
    Freedom
    Al B Thayer
    +1
    Taking our guns will not garner safety or freedom. But keeping them does.
  • ehrhornp 2012/07/21 16:23:02
    Freedom
    ehrhornp
    Those who are willing to trade freedom for security deserve neither. Guns in the final analysis will eliminate freedom by reducing security.

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