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Doc 2012/08/17 00:51:25
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The left said Jared Loughner(shot Gabby Giffords) was a Tea Party killer who got his orders from Sarah Palin.

The truth is that all the people who knew him called him a Progressive.



The left said that George Zimmerman(shot Trayvon Martin) was racist white guy who hates blacks.

The truth is that George Zimmerman is a half-hispanic democrat.


The left said that Joe Stack(flew plane into IRS building) was a right wing nut-job
The truth is he was a Karl Marx quoting liberal.


The left said "Chick-fil-A Comes Home To Roost: Righteous Assassination Attempt At FRC Erupts In Finger Pointing ... And Hypocrisy"

the truth is, Floyd Corkin is a gay activist.






THE LEFT SAYS THE TEA PARTY IS RACIST AND VIOLENT.

THE TRUTH IS THAT THIS CRAP COMES MOSTLY FROM THE LEFT.
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  • Tee Quake 2012/08/17 00:56:16
    Sorry, blame the Tea Party all you want, but these actions were from the LEFT
    Tee Quake
    +5
    Except we are NOT SORRY. Blame the anti-American left. The duplicity of the left is getting the bright light of interested patriots shined on their low down techniques and more and more their lies are being laid bare for all how care to know the truth to observe.

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  • texasred 2012/08/17 20:43:28
    Sorry, blame the Tea Party all you want, but these actions were from the LEFT
    texasred
    +1
    They have no excuse for the mental instability of being a progressive, so they always try to blame it on God-loving, law-abiding, good Samaritan, hard-working, self-supporting, freedom-loving, patriotic Conservatives.
  • reaper 2012/08/17 19:13:10
    The Tea Party is responsible for all of this.
    reaper
    +1
    given answers i don't like, Loughner was an anarchist and like an idiot you are also assuming all liberal minded people are marxist.
  • Doc reaper 2012/08/31 19:34:18
    Doc
    Thank you for your answer.

    It might seem like I think that, but I know for dang sure that you are no marxist.
  • reaper Doc 2012/08/31 20:27:03
    reaper
    very few people actually are marxists.
  • Doc reaper 2012/09/01 15:14:35
    Doc
    You can tell who they are by the statements, "share the wealth", and, "pay your fair share".
  • reaper Doc 2012/09/01 18:07:05
    reaper
    i'm sure it's mainly, pay your fair share, in which the very richest are not. this ends up hurting the lower classes that struggle and don't get paid enough to make a living wage.
  • ProudProgressive 2012/08/17 16:42:38
    The Tea Party is responsible for all of this.
    ProudProgressive
    Jared Loughner was a White Supremacist who supported many of the Tea Party's objectives, though not formally a member of the Tea Party. He didn't get his orders directly from Sarah Palin though there's no doubt that the violent rhetoric from Palin, Sharon "Second Amendment Solutions" Angle and other Tea Party "leaders" contributed to the climate of violence in which Loughner functioned.

    No one said that George Zimmerman was a racist white guy who hates blacks. He does appear to have been motivated by racism, given that he referred to Martin as a "F*cking Coon" while he was chasing him down and said "they always get away with it" before he shot the innocent teenager.

    Joe Stack was not in any way a Liberal. He an anti-Government nutjob who believed that the government was stealing his hard earned tax dollars - precisely the message of the Tea Party.

    Floyd Corkins' motives have not yet been determined. The FRC is in fact a hate group, not that that justifies what happened.

    And let's not forget that the simple fact that these people have access to assault weapons is largely because the Tea Party has taken such an extremist view of the Second Amendment that they've even got Antonin Scalia saying that the Second Amendment carres shoulder mounted rocket launches and suitcase ...



    Jared Loughner was a White Supremacist who supported many of the Tea Party's objectives, though not formally a member of the Tea Party. He didn't get his orders directly from Sarah Palin though there's no doubt that the violent rhetoric from Palin, Sharon "Second Amendment Solutions" Angle and other Tea Party "leaders" contributed to the climate of violence in which Loughner functioned.

    No one said that George Zimmerman was a racist white guy who hates blacks. He does appear to have been motivated by racism, given that he referred to Martin as a "F*cking Coon" while he was chasing him down and said "they always get away with it" before he shot the innocent teenager.

    Joe Stack was not in any way a Liberal. He an anti-Government nutjob who believed that the government was stealing his hard earned tax dollars - precisely the message of the Tea Party.

    Floyd Corkins' motives have not yet been determined. The FRC is in fact a hate group, not that that justifies what happened.

    And let's not forget that the simple fact that these people have access to assault weapons is largely because the Tea Party has taken such an extremist view of the Second Amendment that they've even got Antonin Scalia saying that the Second Amendment carres shoulder mounted rocket launches and suitcase nuclear weapons.

    And before you go, don't forget about Scott Roeder, the Right Wing Anti-Abortion Nutjob who assassinated Doctor George Tiller because Bill O'Reilly called for his assassination. Or James Van Brunn, a White Supremacist anti-semitic Right Wing Holocaust Denier who shot up the Holocaust Museum. And of course the star of the show, Timothy McVeigh, who could be the poster child for the Tea Party.

    You can sit around all day and debate the political motivations of nutjobs, but you cannot ignore the fact that the Tea Party has for over three years consistently put forth the message that any regulation of any kind regarding guns is unconstitutional and part of Obama's secret plan to take everyone's guns away, that the government of the United States is the enemy of the American people, and that the Second Amendment was created to empower the people to respond with violence if they don't like the decisions the government makes. Meanwhile, "liberals" have consistently tried to impose common sense regulations and limitations that do not infringe on the right of a law abiding citizen to defend himself with a gun if he chooses. No one would argue that a Liberal shooting someone is an impossibility, but it would be equally ludicrous to assert that liberals encourage violence, or that the Tea Party doesn't.
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  • Doc ProudPr... 2012/08/17 19:14:44
    Doc
    sorry, you are completly incorrect this time.
  • Doc ProudPr... 2012/08/17 19:17:42
    Doc
    please feel free to google the following and see for yourself.
    Jared Loughner Progressive.

    george zimmerman racist




    Joe Stack Karl Marx .


    Floyd Corkin is a gay activist.
  • morris44 2012/08/17 15:36:03
    The Tea Party is responsible for all of this.
    morris44
    +1
    Because of your poor vote choices, I had to pick one I don't agree with . I don't think the tea party is responsible for all this.

    I do however think that when you state things as fact you should show support of your facts via a link etc.
  • Doc morris44 2012/08/17 19:17:33
    Doc
    please feel free to google the following and see for yourself.
    Jared Loughner Progressive.

    george zimmerman racist




    Joe Stack Karl Marx .


    Floyd Corkin is a gay activist.
  • morris44 Doc 2012/08/20 20:49:56
    morris44
    +1
    I refuse to do the work that the original poster should do.

    I am tired of people making claims then telling others to go out and do the work to prove it.
  • Doc morris44 2012/08/31 19:38:13
    Doc
    That's really funny, considering you're a progressive. You have no problem with other people doing the work to feed those who won't work, and you have no problem with other people paying for the abortions that some have that they aren't paying for.

    But would you settle for links?

    If you really wish me to run my poll the way that you think I should, would you be willing to admit I am corect when I present the facts to you?
  • Doc morris44 2012/08/31 19:40:06
    Doc
    On a side note, you yourself have said that people shouldn't believe things without checking themselves, havent' you?

    The larger and more freightening issue is how many people believe what they are told with no critial thinking.

    For one to willingly accept bad logic that person must have a preconcieved opinion about the subject. In this case, a preconcieved opinion of Obama.
  • Doc morris44 2012/08/31 19:40:27
    Doc
    I forgot to thank you for your answer, it does have merit.
  • Don Leuty 2012/08/17 11:01:41
    Sorry, blame the Tea Party all you want, but these actions were from the LEFT
    Don Leuty
    +1
    Blame the TEA party. Blame Bush. Throw tantrums like a spoiled child, an never accept responsibility. Permissiveness is a poor substitute for self-control.
  • Doc Don Leuty 2012/08/17 14:12:39
  • Maria R 2012/08/17 03:48:29
    Sorry, blame the Tea Party all you want, but these actions were from the LEFT
    Maria R
    +1
    Just like the guy who shot the guard at the Family organization cause he didn't like what they were saying
  • Doc Maria R 2012/08/17 03:54:51
    Doc
    Exactly!
  • RogerCoppock 2012/08/17 02:51:25 (edited)
    The Tea Party is responsible for all of this.
    RogerCoppock
    +2
    Sounds like some RWNJ is busy rewriting history.
  • Doc RogerCo... 2012/08/17 03:55:34
    Doc
    Thank you for the answer, Roger.

    Would you care to try to explain?

    I've double checked my facts to make sure they were true this time.
  • ProudPr... Doc 2012/08/17 16:46:14
    ProudProgressive
    LOL you checked your "Facts" and you didn't manage to learn that Jared Loughner was a White Supremacist, or that Joe Stack was an anti-government anti-tax nutjob who believed the United States government had stolen his money (remember "Taxed Enough Already"?)
  • Doc ProudPr... 2012/08/17 19:19:55 (edited)
    Doc
    Just because Jared is a white supremacist doesn't mean he wasn't a progressive.

    Woodrow Wilson, white supremacist and progressive. And FDR, as well.

    Joe stack, anti-goverment nut-job and Karl Marx quoting liberal, just look at his manifesto.


    But the truth is, the people are to blame, not their politics.
  • ProudPr... Doc 2012/08/17 19:34:13 (edited)
    ProudProgressive
    LOL "Just because Jared is a white supremacist doesn't mean he wasn't a progressive."

    Um, Doc, yeah it does. White Supremacists reject the notion of equal rights regardless of race or ethnicity. That's by definition Right Wing. I hate to bring them up, but this was the view of the Nazis - the Aryan Race was superior and had the right to dominate or even exterminate anyone they viewed as "inferior". That could be a Tea Party Keynote Address.

    And of course neither Wilson nor FDR were white supremacists, but you already know that. Wilson was, admittedly a segregationist, but "separate but equal", although it is repugnant to the Constitution, is not a question of supremacy but of separation. Even Lincoln believed (and hoped) that after the slaves were freed they would want to all return to Africa. That's why Liberia exists, as a haven for freed slaves. It was founded in 1820 by Americans and it was expected that most freed slaves would go there.

    I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence. IF a "Far Left Extremist" were to shoot up a movie theatre that doesn't mean that "Far Left" politics are to blame. Similarly, the fact that Jared Loughner was a white supremacist doesn't mean that was his motivation for shooting Congresswoman Giffords and the others.

    However - and ...
    LOL "Just because Jared is a white supremacist doesn't mean he wasn't a progressive."

    Um, Doc, yeah it does. White Supremacists reject the notion of equal rights regardless of race or ethnicity. That's by definition Right Wing. I hate to bring them up, but this was the view of the Nazis - the Aryan Race was superior and had the right to dominate or even exterminate anyone they viewed as "inferior". That could be a Tea Party Keynote Address.

    And of course neither Wilson nor FDR were white supremacists, but you already know that. Wilson was, admittedly a segregationist, but "separate but equal", although it is repugnant to the Constitution, is not a question of supremacy but of separation. Even Lincoln believed (and hoped) that after the slaves were freed they would want to all return to Africa. That's why Liberia exists, as a haven for freed slaves. It was founded in 1820 by Americans and it was expected that most freed slaves would go there.

    I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence. IF a "Far Left Extremist" were to shoot up a movie theatre that doesn't mean that "Far Left" politics are to blame. Similarly, the fact that Jared Loughner was a white supremacist doesn't mean that was his motivation for shooting Congresswoman Giffords and the others.

    However - and this is a BIG however - it is clearly and unequivocally the Tea Party that is repeatedly sending out the message that violence is an acceptable form of political protest - that we should "not retreat, reload", or that we should use "Second Amendment solutions", or even going so far as to suggest that the Second Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights to give the citizens of this country the ability to overthrow their own government. In that sort of climate it really does not matter what a person's individual politics are - they have heard repeated over and over by the Tea Party's leadership and then rebroadcast endlessly on every news station (and Fox) that it's ok to pick up a gun and shoot someone, so those people who are truly unstable, like Loughner, are more likely to actually do it. And with the NRA continuing to fight to weaken even the inadequate gun regulations we have left, it becomes easier and easier for someone like Loughner to act on his impulses.
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  • Doc ProudPr... 2012/09/01 15:17:58
    Doc
    The evidence disagrees with you, especially the one where you say that white supremacists can't be progressives.

    Woodrow, FRD, and Johnson were indeed, white supremacists.
  • ProudPr... Doc 2012/09/01 15:42:54
    ProudProgressive
    LOL Wilson's case is somewhat complicated, but I don't think a case can be made that he was a White Supremacist. Still, that one is worth debating some time. But neither FDR, whose programs provided jobs to millions of non-whites, or LBJ, who signed the Civil Rights Act even though it lost the entire South to the Right Wing Racist Brigade, were anything remotely resembling white supremacists.
  • Ken 2012/08/17 02:21:08
    Sorry, blame the Tea Party all you want, but these actions were from the LEFT
    Ken
    +1
    The left is racist and very violent.
  • Doc Ken 2012/08/17 03:55:52
  • DavE 2012/08/17 02:10:09
    Sorry, blame the Tea Party all you want, but these actions were from the LEFT
    DavE
    +1
    When is the LSM going to get a clue and quit lying to the American people?
  • Doc DavE 2012/08/17 03:56:06
    Doc
    +1
    When it happens to them
  • Red Branch 2012/08/17 01:59:49
    Sorry, blame the Tea Party all you want, but these actions were from the LEFT
    Red Branch
    +1
    Holmes was an Occupy Wall Street thug.

    McVeigh, agnostic to atheist his adult life, no party affiliation, never belonged to a militia and the work was done by 2 of Saddam's Republican Guards.
  • Doc Red Branch 2012/08/17 03:56:57
    Doc
    +1
    I wasn't sure about Holmes, but I am sure about the rest.
  • Red Branch Doc 2012/08/17 22:02:23
    Red Branch
    If Holmes had any of the connections that PP is attributing to him, it would be on the news 24/7.
  • ProudPr... Red Branch 2012/08/17 16:49:07
    ProudProgressive
    James Holmes had no connection to Occupy Wall Street and the potential connection to the Tea Party has yet to be disproved. Tim McVeigh was the poster child for anti-Government militias who believed that he had a right to "avenge" what happened at Waco. Holmes was likely apolitical, and his actions were not taken for any political "cause". Besides which, unlike the Tea Party, OWS has never openly encouraged violence against the United States Government. McVeigh was as Right Wing as it gets. It was people like McVeigh that the DHS Report on the rise of Right Wing Extremism and the danger of Right Wing Violence three years ago (which report has proven to be an understatement) were talking about.

    dhs report right wing violence
  • Red Branch ProudPr... 2012/08/17 16:55:04
    Red Branch
    +1
    You have things mixed up and what isnn't mixed up enters the realms of science fiction. Then there are your overt lies.
  • ProudPr... Red Branch 2012/08/17 18:37:56
    ProudProgressive
    I don't lie. You ought to read the DHS report. Though it understates the degree of danger from the Right Wing, it accurately describes the many ways in which ultraconservatives in this country seek to undermine and overthrow the legitimate government of the United States, primarily through organized violent attacks. Just like Tim McVeigh's.
  • Red Branch ProudPr... 2012/08/17 22:01:15
    Red Branch
    To a Leftist, like you, the danger or threat is always from the right.

    I know that Nappy and Obama have labeled veterans, abortion opponents, church goers, gun owners and a few others as terrorists and that is who wrote the report that you wish to use as evidence.

    You do realize that your insane hatred for the US has made you crazy.
  • Doc ProudPr... 2012/08/17 19:21:46
    Doc
    +1
    There is more evidence that Holmes was OWS than there is that he was Tea Party.
  • GANGA~Patriotic Revolution ... 2012/08/17 01:30:27
    Sorry, blame the Tea Party all you want, but these actions were from the LEFT
    GANGA~Patriotic Revolution BL-100+
  • Doc GANGA~P... 2012/08/17 01:45:48

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