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What part of "shall not be infringed upon" do the lunatic fringe left not understand? The Founding Fathers did not mean it to be a suggestion.

SK-pro impeachment 2012/12/16 16:23:10

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  • D D 2012/12/20 13:54:26
    D D
    +2
    I don't understand how they ignore that. It is very plain and straight forward. Back then people shot others and they did not change anything.
  • courtney.epperson.96 2012/12/18 19:47:04
    courtney.epperson.96
    +2
    I agree!
  • ProudProgressive 2012/12/17 19:34:59
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    What part of A WELL REGULATED MILITIA do the lunatic fringe Right not understand? The Founding Liberals who wrote the Second Amendment intended it as a safeguard of our community, not a license to shoot children.
  • SK-pro ... ProudPr... 2012/12/17 19:57:17
    SK-pro impeachment
    +1
    What part of "the right of the People" do you morons not understand???
  • ProudPr... SK-pro ... 2012/12/17 20:29:49
    ProudProgressive
    +1
    "The people", as used in the Second Amendment, refers to the COMMUNITY. To the STATE. To the CITY. To the VILLAGE. It did not and does NOT refer to an individual. The Second Amendment was written because, in a time when our infant nation did not have and did not want to have a standing army, it was necessary to assure that the COMMUNITY had the ability to defend the COUNTRY against invasion or insurrection. The WELL REGULATED MILITIA was the way we could do that. The very suggestion that the Second Amendment was written to protect your "right" to shoot a burglar, or to overthrow your own government when they elect someone whose politics or whose skin color offend you is a perversion of the Second Amendment so profound that even suggesting it pretty much eliminates you from the realm of rational thought.
  • SK-pro ... ProudPr... 2012/12/17 20:51:01
    SK-pro impeachment
    +1
    OMG! Are not communities and cities and villages made up of individual people? you are irrational and not right in the head.
    we don't have a military protecting our borders now so we should defend ourselves. again you ain't right and a manipulator of the Constitution to advance your sick agenda.
    head military protecting borders defend manipulator constitution advance sick agenda
  • Defend ... SK-pro ... 2012/12/17 23:56:56
    Defend Western Civlization
    +3
    he is a hardcore Obama backer who thinks American troops are terrorist and that muslim terrorist are victims of Americans and Jews
  • SK-pro ... Defend ... 2012/12/17 23:59:47
    SK-pro impeachment
    +1
    Yep. He does tend to get everything "backwards". progressive is such a big oxymoron for these people.
  • ProudPr... SK-pro ... 2012/12/20 23:47:02
    ProudProgressive
    You should pay closer attention. You might learn something.
  • SK-pro ... ProudPr... 2012/12/21 01:09:19
    SK-pro impeachment
    +1
    what? from you??? BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!
  • Tennessean ProudPr... 2012/12/21 19:42:52
    Tennessean
    +2
    Have you ever consideed that "the people" in the second amendment, are the same people refered to in the first, fourth,fifth, nineth, and tenth amendments?
  • ProudPr... Tennessean 2012/12/21 22:00:30
    ProudProgressive
    Of course.

    The first amendment speaks of "the right of the people peaceably to assemble". One individual can't "assemble."

    The fourth amendment speaks of "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects" Again, a reference to all people, not an individual.

    The fifth amendment speaks of "No person shall be held to answer" and "nor shall any person be subject". Once again, a reference to all people.

    The ninth amendment states "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Another reference to all people.

    The tenth amendment states "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Collectively.

    Thank you for proving my point. Each of the references you refer to discusses the rights of ALL people. When the Second Amendment says that THE PEOPLE have the right to keep and bear arms, that also is a collective right of a community, not a right of an individual.

    You might also note the preamble, which begins "We the People". That's another reference to all of us, not one of us.

    And the three other times the words "the people" are used in t...

    Of course.

    The first amendment speaks of "the right of the people peaceably to assemble". One individual can't "assemble."

    The fourth amendment speaks of "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects" Again, a reference to all people, not an individual.

    The fifth amendment speaks of "No person shall be held to answer" and "nor shall any person be subject". Once again, a reference to all people.

    The ninth amendment states "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Another reference to all people.

    The tenth amendment states "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Collectively.

    Thank you for proving my point. Each of the references you refer to discusses the rights of ALL people. When the Second Amendment says that THE PEOPLE have the right to keep and bear arms, that also is a collective right of a community, not a right of an individual.

    You might also note the preamble, which begins "We the People". That's another reference to all of us, not one of us.

    And the three other times the words "the people" are used in the Constitution refer to elections and voting and are clearly referring to the overall population (e.g., Article I, Section 2, Clause 1: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States"; 17th Amendment: "The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof" and "make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election"

    All of this makes it clear that when the Constitution speaks of "the people" it is speaking of a collective, not an individual.
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  • SK-pro ... ProudPr... 2012/12/21 23:03:24
    SK-pro impeachment
    +1
    Way to fire mr. twisty mcspinner!! geez loueez you obviously don't know how ridiculous you sound.
  • Tennessean ProudPr... 2012/12/22 04:31:10
    Tennessean
    +2
    No mater how hard you attempt to twist the meanings of the Constitution, you overlook the fact that the people that have a right to assemble are individual people and that each one has that right.

    As to the 4th amendment it is an individual right, and does not require a group, but a single individual. may exercise this right.

    The 5th amendment pertains to each single individual, and does not require a group of people to exercise that right.

    The 9th amendment cleatrly states that although only a very few rights are actually listed in the Constitution, the people hold many more, anf they apply to each individual person, no group required.

    The 10th amendment applies to each individual, and does not require a group, because it clearly expresses the fact that the federal government has no powers not granted them via the constitution, no matter how much Congress wishes they did.

    It is very clear that our rights are individual ones, and if you took the time to at least read what the Founders had to say about our rights, you would understant that fact.
  • Don Car... ProudPr... 2013/01/09 06:24:51
    Don Carlos Henderson
    +5
    The community is made up of individuals who make the militia. Each individual owns a weapon in which they can use to join a militia to fight against a tyrannical government! Not against a government that has different policies. Why do you try to use color and make it a race issue when it's clearly not! The Rep's had a black candidate run for office. The racist on the left came out and attacked him. Dem's continue to divide and separate us by playing sides. It's not about choosing a side. The politicians are like pro wrestlers, they put on a show to entertain us from the real issues. Like uncontrollable spending on both sides. Yet all the politicians net worth jumps from $800K to $10M in 6 years? Insider trading and selling us out to the central banks and leaving us a $16.4T bill. Yet both end up agreeing to continue taxing us and raising the debt ceiling. Hmmm, see how they got everyone arguing who's better or worse? Instead of asking why the debt and cost of living keeps going up and we have to sacrifice our way of life. Lets all join together to fight tyranny, not target a certain person. If we can just get back to following the Constitution. It works until they stop following it!
  • Defend ... SK-pro ... 2012/12/17 23:56:01
    Defend Western Civlization
    +2
    notice he backs the total Confiscation of Americans guns
  • Arizona... ProudPr... 2012/12/19 01:27:12
    Arizona1950
    +3
    There are over 50,000,000 households with guns who did not shoot anyone today.

    I wonder if the anti-gun zealot has realized that all these “mass shootings” all happened in “GUN FREE” zones!

    The one that just happened in Oregon, although the media has not brought it forward to the public ... that mall shooter (last week) was killed by a citizen who was carrying and shot/killed him. Yet another shopper at that mall also had the shooter in his sights (he too was armed) but did not shoot as he was afraid he would miss and hit an innocent person.

    We all must remember that “when guns are outlawed, only outlaws and those who wish to rule will have guns”.

    Sadly, our legislators know this and I am sure most if not all carry themselves …they are the excepted we are the ruled!
  • ProudPr... Arizona... 2012/12/20 23:45:58
    ProudProgressive
    No one is suggesting outlawing guns. Common sense regulations on the type of guns and the number of guns someone can obtain do not in any way infringe on your right to bear arms. And the Constitution INTENDS that there be gun control. That's what "well regulated" means. If a state decided to pass a law that said you cannot own more than one gun, that would be constitutional. If a state decided to pass a law that said you can only own a gun that fires no more than six shots without reloading, that would be constitutional. It isn't that anyone wants to disarm the public. It is that we don't like to see 20 children killed because you think that a gun that fire ten shots in a clip, or twenty, isn't enough.
  • Ricardo... ProudPr... 2013/01/28 07:59:47
    Ricardo Santos
    +2
    "the right OF THE PEOPLE shall not be infringed"

    What part OF THE PEOPLE you do not understand?
  • Bronar 2012/12/17 18:24:14
    Bronar
    Look, I am a gun owner, shotguns, rifles and pistols. But honestly, is this the way you and the NRA want the inevitable to happen, going down kicking and screaming? Time for the NRA to step up to the plate and try to guide the process or any say and standing they have will be completely disregarded.
  • ManBearPig 2012/12/17 09:24:08
    ManBearPig
    +5
    keep in mind where almost every massive shootings occur... in places where guns are not allowed
  • D D ManBearPig 2012/12/20 13:45:48
    D D
    +2
    Exactly. It didn't stop them. Only law abiding people will follow laws.
  • scottcleaves 2012/12/17 08:17:48
    scottcleaves
    The Second Amendment, written well over 200 years ago, as you well know, was about forming militias to protect the country from invaders like G.B. I don't think the authors were talking about arming every citizen in the nation to defend against mass murderers with assault weapons. Sorry, but your right-wing "interpretation" is mis-guided, twisted, and most of all, incorrect.
  • ManBearPig scottcl... 2012/12/17 09:22:45
    ManBearPig
    +3
    read that the second amendment says, it pertains to a regulated militia AND the people

    a little grammar goes a long way
  • Defend ... ManBearPig 2012/12/17 10:40:24
    Defend Western Civlization
    +2
    he is trolling he will not reply he just spews hate of the liberal progressive dnc
  • SK-pro ... Defend ... 2012/12/17 15:00:42
    SK-pro impeachment
    +1
    another hit and runner, huh? they are gutless.
  • SK-pro ... ManBearPig 2012/12/17 15:00:03
    SK-pro impeachment
    +2
    They don't know the militia that protected the new land were everyday people doing everyday things. they were farmers and ranchers shop owners etc. they were at the ready at anytime. that is why they were called Minutemen. Liberals don't care though about the history behind our Founding documents, they only read it and interpret it to their own agenda instead of understanding the original intent of the Founders.
  • JonDeniro scottcl... 2012/12/17 12:37:25
    JonDeniro
    +4
    Wrong. Your left-wing "interpretation" is entirely fabricated to rationalize your personal opinion and has no basis in fact whatsoever. Try reading a little history some time.

    "The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." - George Washington.

    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson.

    "The Constitution shall never be construed...to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams.

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." - Patrick Henry
  • SK-pro ... JonDeniro 2012/12/17 15:03:46
    SK-pro impeachment
    +2
    Thanks. And thanks for the quotes. anytime i see good quotes like that i paste them to my profile. i appreciate it.
  • SK-pro ... scottcl... 2012/12/17 14:56:38
    SK-pro impeachment
    +1
    Guess who made up the militia. it was farmer, ranchers, business owners; in other words everyday ppl. they didn't have a military at the time. oh wait we have a military now. but where's the military protecting our land??? think about it. you are the one who are misguided idiots. go walk down your city streets and you malls and you school halls where are the National Guard as someone suggested is a militia?? hmmmm? Go to Israel and walk around for a while; then tell me how many mass shootings occur over there? moron.
  • AL 2012/12/17 08:14:51
    AL
    +2
    I don't think these dumb targets understand any of it to tell you the turth!
  • bri@30 2012/12/17 05:29:52
    bri@30
    +1
    I think you answered your own ? by calling them lunatics love the drawing to buy the way.
  • SK-pro ... bri@30 2012/12/17 15:07:02
  • Popeye 2012/12/17 04:41:22
  • kaZappoo 2012/12/17 04:39:19 (edited)
    kaZappoo
    +2
    I've been a CARRY CONCEAL CARRIER for 30 + yrs in 2 states , & special warfare ops in the US NAVY ,,,



    in my experience a GUN HAS NEVER SHOT IT'S SELF OR KILLED ANY ONE WITHOUT AN OPERATOR !



    Hmmm.



    not my 2nd amend right's !



    in this society now , more folks should consider carrying one ,,,even school staff !
  • Cat 2012/12/17 03:52:09
    Cat
    +3
    They just refuse to look at the truth of the situation.
    The real cause of the Connecticut school shooting is the draconian gun law that prevents licensed trained and certified gun owners from carrying a gun onto school grounds.
    An armed custodian or assistant principal could have stopped the shooter before he got to any of the kids, and ended his miserable life even sooner.
  • kaZappoo Cat 2012/12/17 04:41:06
    kaZappoo
    +2
    300% agreed !
  • TKramar Cat 2012/12/18 12:21:54
    TKramar
    And then some other certified gun owner, seeing someone shoot another person, will get it in his or her head that THAT person is the one endangering people, and shoot him. And so on, and so on, and so on.

    Great idea!
  • SK-pro ... TKramar 2012/12/18 14:51:33
    SK-pro impeachment
    That's quite a wild imagination you have there.
  • TKramar SK-pro ... 2012/12/18 15:17:10
    TKramar
    It doesn't take imagination.

    Assuming that someone actually would step forward and shoot someone else when it's none of their business...that does take a bit of imagination, but once you've got that first so-called hero, it's a chain reaction.
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