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What kind of Libertarian are you?

Republikid December 12, 2011 10:28:09
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It appears Libertarians are quite a diverse group of people. According to About.com, they have listed 10 distinct types. Are you one of these. or are you a hybrid monstrosity? Give us your answer and leave a comment if you are a unique kind of Libertarian.

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  • William December 16, 2011 07:03:11
    Anarcho-Capitalist
    William
    +4
    Especially after reading Paine's Rights of Men - The Second Part, I became more of a minarchist. Below are two quotes that have guided me to where I am now:

    "It has been said that men are incapable of governing themselves. How then shall they govern others?" - I think Jefferson said this, but I'm not sure.

    "Great part of that order which reigns among mankind is not the effect of government. It has its origin in the principles of society and the natural constitution of man. It existed prior to government, and would exist if the formality of government was abolished. The mutual dependence and reciprocal interest which man has upon man, and all the parts of civilised community upon each other, create that great chain of connection which holds it together. The landholder, the farmer, the manufacturer, the merchant, the tradesman, and every occupation, prospers by the aid which each receives from the other, and from the whole. Common interest regulates their concerns, and forms their law; and the laws which common usage ordains, have a greater influence than the laws of government. In fine, society performs for itself almost everything which is ascribed to government."
    -- Thomas Pain - The Rights of Men: The Second Part, Of Society and Civilisation

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  • Minarchist December 31, 2011 00:37:16
    Minarchist
    Minarchist
    +1
    Is it possible to be a Classical Liberal / Minarchist, but float back and forth to and from Anarcho-Capitalism?
  • The Ban... Minarchist December 31, 2011 01:00:03
    The Bantam Seditioner
    It's not only possible, I think it's actually quite common. I was on the minarchy-anarchy fence for about a year before I went full AnCap in '09.
  • Minarchist The Ban... December 31, 2011 01:05:44
    Minarchist
    +1
    Thanks I felt wierd when other Libertarians would ask me what kind of Libertarian am I and I felt that as I commented in the background of my mind: "Oh they think I'm punting but I am not"
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA December 20, 2011 19:56:52
    Objectivist
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Herewith my vote: an Objectivist. Or at least, a serious student of Objectivism. With this difference: I believe in God, and am quite prepared to show that He exists, He has an agenda, and we ought not stand in the way. I will say also that He genuinely wants to spare you from certain eternal separation, with all that that entails. Here let me say that salvation has nothing to do with participation in a social-welfare program.

    Now: what does Objectivism contribute to this debate? Objectivism teaches:

    1. The world is what it is, not what we wish it to be.

    2. Force is appropriate only in retaliation and only against them who initiate its use.

    3. Government exists to manage force, and men need government to secure their rights.

    4. Whenever a government *destroys* rights, the people have the right to alter or abolish it, and institute a new government.

    5. The proper functions of government are: police, the military, and courts of law.

    6. A free people have a right, though not necessarily a duty, to invade any society, the government of which practices four specific policies that, taken together, constitute an emergency of liberty. Those practices are: (A) Execution without trial. (B) Detention without a formal charge. (C) Restrictions on travel and especially ex-migration. ...
    Herewith my vote: an Objectivist. Or at least, a serious student of Objectivism. With this difference: I believe in God, and am quite prepared to show that He exists, He has an agenda, and we ought not stand in the way. I will say also that He genuinely wants to spare you from certain eternal separation, with all that that entails. Here let me say that salvation has nothing to do with participation in a social-welfare program.

    Now: what does Objectivism contribute to this debate? Objectivism teaches:

    1. The world is what it is, not what we wish it to be.

    2. Force is appropriate only in retaliation and only against them who initiate its use.

    3. Government exists to manage force, and men need government to secure their rights.

    4. Whenever a government *destroys* rights, the people have the right to alter or abolish it, and institute a new government.

    5. The proper functions of government are: police, the military, and courts of law.

    6. A free people have a right, though not necessarily a duty, to invade any society, the government of which practices four specific policies that, taken together, constitute an emergency of liberty. Those practices are: (A) Execution without trial. (B) Detention without a formal charge. (C) Restrictions on travel and especially ex-migration. (D) Censorship.

    Any one of those four, by the way, gives the people in that society the right to rise up against their government.

    7. The military has the duty to protect the people from invasion. It has the right, but not necessarily the duty, to attack a potential enemy before he makes himself strong enough to invade. It is even conceivable to an Objectivist--or at least, *I* find it conceivable--that extraordinary circumstances might arise that require a pre-emptive strike against an ill-natured foreign power that comes into possession of, or seeks to develop, a weapon or weapons of mass destruction and the means to deploy them against one's own people or an allied people. But such action should only follow a formal declaration of war by the most numerous branch of government--in this case, the legislature--unless such declaration is impracticable on account of the delay involved or for other clearly obvious and demonstrable reason.

    (You will note that much of Point Seven above, I have adapted from Article 184 of the original Articles for the Government of the United States Navy, the Article dealing with the summary relief-from-command of a renegade captain.)
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  • Brian December 17, 2011 16:09:00
    None of the above
    Brian
    +2
    I am not familiar with all of these subcategories, and am not big on "labels" but for the sake of conversation, I consider myself a "left leaning" libertarian. I am a staunch civil libertarian, and a moderate economic libertarian. I believe it is no ones business, especially government's, what anyone does in the privacy of their own home as long as it does not cause physical, or economic harm to others.

    I believe in free markets up to a point. We learned a lesson about totally unregulated markets with the Robber Barons. Business showed that it could not effectively regulate itself and we ended up with company stores, horrific working conditions, child labor, and a rapidly widening gap between rich and poor.
  • William December 16, 2011 07:03:11
    Anarcho-Capitalist
    William
    +4
    Especially after reading Paine's Rights of Men - The Second Part, I became more of a minarchist. Below are two quotes that have guided me to where I am now:

    "It has been said that men are incapable of governing themselves. How then shall they govern others?" - I think Jefferson said this, but I'm not sure.

    "Great part of that order which reigns among mankind is not the effect of government. It has its origin in the principles of society and the natural constitution of man. It existed prior to government, and would exist if the formality of government was abolished. The mutual dependence and reciprocal interest which man has upon man, and all the parts of civilised community upon each other, create that great chain of connection which holds it together. The landholder, the farmer, the manufacturer, the merchant, the tradesman, and every occupation, prospers by the aid which each receives from the other, and from the whole. Common interest regulates their concerns, and forms their law; and the laws which common usage ordains, have a greater influence than the laws of government. In fine, society performs for itself almost everything which is ascribed to government."
    -- Thomas Pain - The Rights of Men: The Second Part, Of Society and Civilisation
  • Cognito22 December 15, 2011 15:31:10
    None of the above
    Cognito22
    +3
    I have no idea what most of those are.

    I found a quiz though that places me somewhere between a libertarian and centrist.
    http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz
  • The Bantam Seditioner December 15, 2011 09:05:51 (edited)
    Anarcho-Capitalist
    The Bantam Seditioner
    +4
    I prefer the term "Voluntaryist", because a lot of people have some deep-rooted misconceptions about what the terms "anarchism" and "capitalism" mean, but essentially, this description fits. I think people have a right to organize themselves in whatever socio-economic or political arrangement they choose, as long as they don't use violence or coercion to force people to live the way they want them to. Socialists should be allowed to form their own societies, and us free market folks should be allowed to form our own too.
  • tecknotron BN-0 RP2012 December 15, 2011 08:10:28 (edited)
    None of the above
    tecknotron BN-0 RP2012
    +2
    Voluntary interaction preferred over coercive interaction. I believe government as an institution is neither moral or legitimate. I do not consider myself an "anarcho-capitalist". While I do acknowledge the benefits of capitalism, I believe my philosophy is a moral philosophy. As long as people organize themselves in a voluntary mutual fashion I don't care what system they follow. I am not a paleolibertarian because I am personally more culturally liberal than they might be.
  • Tasine December 12, 2011 15:59:52
    None of the above
    Tasine
    +4
    I don't know. I recently joined the Libertarian Party, but don't know a lot about it. I am leaning toward Anarcho-Capitalist because I see politics as the cause of most of our problems today. Politics is open to corruption, open to cronyism, open to oligarchy. Politics allows a very small group of people to rule our entire population. To me, this seems antithetical to the liberty we supposedly have a right to.

    I would be happy if we ditched politics at least at the federal level, and if all services were privately provided. I have though A LOT about this and by no means have all the answers, but I believe there is a better way of managing a country than the way we do it. I believe the time has come to grow past what we are witnessing: monumental failure. Government does NOTHING well and everything it does poorly costs A LOT MORE than can be done well, less expensively, by private parties. So WHY DO WE CONTINUE WITH GOVERNMENT? Government does not serve us. We serve government, and I am not the least bit happy with how it governs.

    I would love to hear from others - do I actually fit into the Libertarian Party?

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