What jobs can 800,000+ illegals do in America; that 15million+ unemployed Americans can not do?
Space Invader
2012/06/20 14:37:54
President Bark H Obama-Davis; what is the answer??
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darcie lamar 2012/06/20 15:50:58
+10In my area the jobs are construction, house cleaning, motel maids, lawn care, child care, roofing. Americans won't do this work for less than they should be paid, illegals will do this work and get paid less under the table and send money to Mexico while they collect welfare and have their anchor babies for Americans to support. Of course Americans want to work. The employers should be held accountable and fined heavily for hiring illegals. Everyone in this country has the opportunity to help fellow Americans, but the almighty dollar is more important than honesty.
I recently visited a nursing home in Texas, a brand new place, where most of the staff, including those who dispensed medications, were unable to speak or read English. Scary, and exposing all the residents to potential harm or death at least twice every day.
This whole circumstance has a single origin and purpose - PROFITS FOR THE PUBLIC CORPORATIONS THAT CONTROL CONGRESS AND MAKE HUGE BONUSES FOR THE MANAGEMENT AND WALL STREET'S BROKERAGES. GREED, UNCARING, THE WORST MOTIVES OF HUMANS ALL WRAPPED INTO THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.
In the early 1970s California elected a Governor who promised to prevent Czar Chavez and the United Farm Workers from organizing the farm workers. At that time, almost all the workers were "legal", having green cards, working for a few months then returning to Mexico, coming back next season. The campaign for the Republican nomination became a heated scramble over who could promise the growers the most extreme measures to defeat the "unions". There was a guy named Wm Penn Patrick, the John Birch Society, and Ronald Reagan, with another or two, all competing for the nomination. Reagan won, became Governor, and o...
I recently visited a nursing home in Texas, a brand new place, where most of the staff, including those who dispensed medications, were unable to speak or read English. Scary, and exposing all the residents to potential harm or death at least twice every day.
This whole circumstance has a single origin and purpose - PROFITS FOR THE PUBLIC CORPORATIONS THAT CONTROL CONGRESS AND MAKE HUGE BONUSES FOR THE MANAGEMENT AND WALL STREET'S BROKERAGES. GREED, UNCARING, THE WORST MOTIVES OF HUMANS ALL WRAPPED INTO THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.
In the early 1970s California elected a Governor who promised to prevent Czar Chavez and the United Farm Workers from organizing the farm workers. At that time, almost all the workers were "legal", having green cards, working for a few months then returning to Mexico, coming back next season. The campaign for the Republican nomination became a heated scramble over who could promise the growers the most extreme measures to defeat the "unions". There was a guy named Wm Penn Patrick, the John Birch Society, and Ronald Reagan, with another or two, all competing for the nomination. Reagan won, became Governor, and opened the borders to a flood of "undocumented workers" that overwhelmed the UFW efforts to organize the workers. The program was so successful that other industries saw opportunity to flood their markets with these "illegals" and lower the wages and benefits costs. Immediately the construction industry, fast foods, retail outlets, etc. began to solicit and hire those who would work for less and replace those who cost more. By 1978 Reagan had become the favorite son and spokesman for this process and became President with backing of corporations and Wall Street who so profited from the substitution of immigrant labor for their existing workforce.
That is the history of the present circumstance. No one has dared to challenge it since.
Congress depends on Walls Street and the (now) "corporate persons" who finance their campaigns and will defeat them if they dare to oppose whatever the corporation demands.
A few months ago I spent the whole day building barbed wire fence out on grazing land. I built a fence this morning. I go to work as a Security Officer tonight.
My wife is a janitor.
I'd go nuts shuffling papers in a cubicle. Believe me Ambassador II, of myself, my sons and daughters and grandchildren, only one works in a cubicle and that is after serving 12 years as an Able Seaman on a couple of ammunition ships (which are now razor blades).
We build, we raise livestock, we fight fires and we do lots of "useful" work and we are ALL Americans.
But, may I tell you - to turn your nose up and deny the history of how things came to be as they are reflects very poorly on your ability to comprehend reality. I described
what I witnessed and took a small part in. Just making a silly remark will not change
the reality except for yourself, leaving you in a dreamworld of your own making and
almost certain to repeat any part you played in allowing it to happen - like voting for a
candidate owned by America's corporatism.
If folks want to soften themselves to considering a good, hard day's work to be beneath them then it is their loss.
As for who I vote for, I have learned that the republican is usually the lesser of two evils, the democrats tend of often be mired in treason which the soldier part of my family loathes. Most men in my family have served proudly since the 1860s. Very few did not don a uniform when their time came. My service covered 22 years and two wars. One of my relatives was awarded the Medal of Honor for gallantry in Vietnam.
Do I like the Republican Candidate? Not usually but pretty much any republican is better than most democrats. Would I like to see us get rid of political parties and select by the character of the candidate themselves? Oh yeah I would.
But I'm not going to spend a lifetime waiting for that to happen.
Best to you. If nothing else, you know that not "all" of us are allowing ourselves to get too soft these days.
ODUMBO, Swore to Uphold the Constitution and The Law s Of The US..
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION...Is A FED LAW...after the SCOTUS announced their Decision yesterday, Both he and The DHS said they Will Not Have ICE help AZ in their Efforts to Enforce and Identify the one Section The SCOTUS Upheld..
ODUMBO, Swore to Uphold the Constitution....Only Congress Can Grant or Change Immigration Laws..HE made His Announcement of not enforcing Immigration against 800,000 Illegals..He Broke The Law by that Announcement and Went against the Constitution as Congress Has already Voted Down In It's Entirety....The Dream Act...
the United Farm Workers from organizing the labor. The program was so
successful the "undocumented" flooded right on to the construction trades,
retail, food service, and a hundred other places where they could replace
unorganized workers and make more profits for Wall Street and corporatism.
No one has dared to upset this demand by business since then.
The House of Representative effectively adjourned itself on the day that Speaker Boehner was handed the gavel. Expecting anything at all from them, good or bad, is foolish. They are interested only in the November election and could care none less aboout you or any other citizen. Now, two branches of our Government have spoken regarding matters of immigration policy and constitutional rights. Suck it up, get with the program, you may be just on the wrong side of the argument on this one.
It was The Farm Worker Amnesty Bill, and Yes, That Started the Flood of Illegals...
MY point Is.....IT is NOT Just REP..It Is Congress and The WH, In General....And ODUMBO had a DEM Congress for Two years and Bush 1-yr....DEM's DID Nothing...
Open Borders and Sanctuary Cities are DEM Policies...Especially here in CA..
Fannie and Freddies were investigated in 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2007...Every time, Franks and Dodd Told the Committies that F&F wre OK, Solvent, Not To worry...
It was another Junk Bond Collapse, in the Offering...
Both Parties Did Nothing so as not to Disenfranchise the Low Income...
And The House Of Cards Came Crashing Down, bringing JPM, Morgan Stanley, Chase and the Biggest Lender...Country Wide Mortgage Down..
Along with the Banks...
ARM's were Not the way to Go...Real Estate and NAHB tried to tell Congress, That this was a Bad Program as the Buyer would bail when the 3 or 5 -year Option came due..and those Buyers Bailed.....
That is a different matter from the question posed above regarding 800,000 jobs.
Maybe you Need to go back and re-read it again and maybe you will understand...
For Your Information...Profits to Developers is In the 6% Range Per House....reason they Use to Build in Large Phases......Profit to the Subcontractors that Actuly Construct them is in the 25% Range...
Your Feeble attempt at trying to make it sound as if the Builders Raped and Pilaged the Public is Totally Untrue...
YOU are a TYP OWS Freak....
Now do some Consulting in retirement...
I Know the Profit Margins and What Developers Make and What Sub Contractors make....
Developers Make It over a Large Volume, Sub Contractors on a Small Scale...
profits that averaged 20-25% of the sales price of units sold during the hey-days of the balloon run-up?
I was Also a Dir Of Purchasing with a Major Home Builder In Las Vegas during th 80's, when WE Grew that Town...Prior to PARDEE, LEWIS or The Others That Came in....We were the First Company to Build 900 Homes a Year...
In 2005, in Phoenix area, homes there were sold for $150 /s.f, with construction costs less than $85, and land costs were about $50,000 a lot. Of course, most of these have been foreclosed, but the loans were quickly packaged and resold to the retirement funds of school teachers and firemen, so KB and others kept the profits and we know how the losses were accounted for.
As you know, the profits in the industry come from several sources, the purchase and development of the land, the subcontracting division, the marketing arm, the decorator and options group, the mortgage and financing specialists, and various other divisions, partnerships and profit centers, all piling on to the hapless buyers. All of this must be aggregated to gather a picture of how the profits are accumulated.
Metropolitian Development was the First To build 900 a year in Las Vegas...in the late 70's and throughout the 80's, until PARDEE and Lewis Homes Became Larger in that Market...
You forget the Sales and Marketing and Legal Costs that Take away from those Profits....
I respect your skills.
You obviously do Not understand Bottom Line Profit...Called NET....
Project BUDGET, is what is Submitted For Financing..It reflects all Project related Costs to Determine Profit...
Not Only an Architect But Dir Of Development...which Includes Purchasing and Construction, along with Land Acquisition...
I Prepared The Project Budgets On all Projects, and The Net Anticipated Profits....Per House....
I am So Done...
Project Budgets, Project the "Project Anticipated Profits", Before The Project is Started....
There is the Pre Construction Costs...Front End...
There is the Construction Costs, and Close Out Costs
There is the After Construction Costs..Sales and Marketing and GNA Costs
All these are Projected in the Project Budget and Project Schedule..anything different than this as an Overage is deducted to accertain the The Actual Project Net, which Occurs when the Last House in that Development is Sold...and the Project Closeout has been Completed...
Probably before you were born, I met Eli Broad at Selfridge Air Force Base in Michigan where he had just successfully bid for construction of 850 military houses, his first successful bid. His bid was quite a bit below that of my company, and everyone asked "Who the hell is "Kaufman & Broad"?
Broad had passed the CPA exam just a couple of years earlier. I met him again in New Mexico as he was counting up his losses on an Indian School project and promising to never again bid for a construction contract.
He knew how to get to the bottom line, where the "Profit" is or isn't.
Curious, with the many years of experience you have in the construction field, how did you find time for a lengthy career in the military as you post on your description?
I am also Probably much older than you...
I finished my tour of duty after 4-years in '64 and then went to college and received my Degree in Architecture in '68..and Have been in the Design and Building side until I retired in Nov. 2010...does that give you an Idea...
Over 10,000 Homes and Condo's, 43 Home Depots, 7-Regal Cinemas, 6-3 Anchor Shopping Centers, 4-Extended Stay Americas, 17 Rite Aid's, etc., as Both Design and Construction Manager...Plus other Structures in the Commercial Office and Parking Garage...
I DO KNOW Construction Budgets and Costs and Project Profit.....
accrued from all the subsidiaries and functions connected to the particular product or endeavor.
I am always Thinking Net after Closed and Done...That is all that is left, If any...
Too Many Developers look at Phase Profits and Not Subdivision Profits, that the Pahse is in...then they wonder years down the road...where did all the Monies Go...
In my Project Budget, Total Subdivision, I also ammortized phasing costs, sales revenues and costs, Construction Costs, Funding Costs, Land Costs, etc...to have a projected Bottom Line over Life Of Project...
The reason is, the government will allow minor children of illegals to do this work but balk at seeing American children of the same age do it. A Mexican and his wife and three kids, for instance, could make enough money to make a living if all of the family works. Americans were like this 50 years ago and more but now, kids are not expected, or even allowed, to do this kind of work. I did it but you can't. In Texas some counties suspended school in the late fall and early winter for a few weeks to allow school kids to help with the cotton harvest. I don't know if that still happens. It was a good idea for the kids,-taught them responsibility and to respect hard work.
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The U.S. Chamber’s Plan for Immigration Reform
Immigration Policy Priorities for 2012
Immigration Reform
• Immigration reform should accomplish the following goals: control and secure our borders; improve employment verification systems for determining whether an employee is authorized to work in the United States; create an effective and streamlined temporary worker program so that employers can hire immigrant workers when U.S. workers are unavailable; and provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United States.
• The Chamber will strongly oppose legislation that cripples the current worker visa systems and fails to include a mechanism that would ensure businesses ongoing access to immigrant workers to fill jobs in response to labor market needs, as well as opposing legislation that imposes unworkable, burdensome, and inconsistent employment verification systems.
• The Chamber considers securing the nation’s borders a top priority and one of the most important measures necessary in reforming our immigration system. The Chamber also considers it vital to our nation’s economy to...
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The U.S. Chamber’s Plan for Immigration Reform
Immigration Policy Priorities for 2012
Immigration Reform
• Immigration reform should accomplish the following goals: control and secure our borders; improve employment verification systems for determining whether an employee is authorized to work in the United States; create an effective and streamlined temporary worker program so that employers can hire immigrant workers when U.S. workers are unavailable; and provide, under certain strict qualification criteria, a pathway to legal status for undocumented workers currently in the United States.
• The Chamber will strongly oppose legislation that cripples the current worker visa systems and fails to include a mechanism that would ensure businesses ongoing access to immigrant workers to fill jobs in response to labor market needs, as well as opposing legislation that imposes unworkable, burdensome, and inconsistent employment verification systems.
• The Chamber considers securing the nation’s borders a top priority and one of the most important measures necessary in reforming our immigration system. The Chamber also considers it vital to our nation’s economy to avoid legislation that unduly hinders legitimate trade and travel.
Worker Visas
• Advocate for continuing and expanding temporary worker programs for highly skilled workers and securing additional workers to be responsive to regional and local labor market needs or shortages, including the expansion of existing worker visa programs, such as the H-1B, H-2B, and H-2A visa programs.
• Ensure that employment-based permanent residency categories enable employers to access and retain the talent necessary to compete in the global market.
• Make certain that any proposed immigration reform contains strong language ensuring the viability of temporary worker programs, so that U.S. companies will be able to hire legal workers in a timely fashion when U.S. workers are not available.
• Support initiatives which streamline the sponsorship process for worker visas and oppose those which add layers of bureaucracy and impose new anticompetitive visa fees on U.S. business.
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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)
hypocrisy is the republicans' lifeblood.
If I were to drop my present profession and return to construction, you can bet your boots that I WILL use E-Verify.
Let us try not to insult one another o.k.?
You would be surprised how many violations i would find, just by My visits to the Job Site..
ODUMBO, swore and Oath to Uphold The Laws Of The Land and The Constitution...
By backdooring Congress and Granting Amnesty to 800,000 Illegals (it IS Amnesty, no matter how you word it), HE went against the Constitution as Congress Makes Law and They ALREADY Voted Down The Dream Act, In It's Entirety...By taking Parts Out...He has Gone Against Congress and The Constitution.
ODUMBO has Violated The Law He Swore To Uphold....NO DISCRIMINATION...By Only taking a segment of the Illegal Populace and Not All...Discrimination by that Act, and Discrimination to the Legal Path to Citizenship...
ODUMBO has Broken the Law he Swore to Uphold....NOT ENFORCING THE LAW....By His and DHS refusal to Enforce Illegal Immigration, Which IS A FED LAW...
This Is NOT the GOP...But ODUMBO...
Whatever happened to the three million people Reagan granted amnesty to a quarter century ago? Did they succeed in ripping the nation to shreds, destroying American industry, and murdering gringos left and right, much as Reagan's disciples predict would happen if such a bill would become law (or even Obama's much more tepid stopgap executive order) today?
Actually, quite the opposite.
Those immigrants, like most who get legal status, bought homes, sent their kids to school, and participated in a record period of economic expansion and growth.
do you have low ...
Whatever happened to the three million people Reagan granted amnesty to a quarter century ago? Did they succeed in ripping the nation to shreds, destroying American industry, and murdering gringos left and right, much as Reagan's disciples predict would happen if such a bill would become law (or even Obama's much more tepid stopgap executive order) today?
Actually, quite the opposite.
Those immigrants, like most who get legal status, bought homes, sent their kids to school, and participated in a record period of economic expansion and growth.
do you have low cognitive skills? there is no Dream Act, genius. Not one Dream Act under Obama was "ALREADY Voted Down". Granting amnesty to undocumented immigrants is not some form of "Dream Act". It is was an executive order authorized by Obama.