What is your opinion about the Congressmen and Congresswomen who walked out on the Contempt vote yesterday? Is this acceptable behavior?

by Drue-AFCL Posted 2012/06/29 21:24:38

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	Acceptable	36 votes	15%
	Not acceptable	199 votes	85%

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Defend ... to ALofRI 2012/06/30 20:21:03

i see you back the TERRORIST JEW HATING GUN grabbing Nazi Holder

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Common Sense Conservative 2012/06/30 15:51:39

Not acceptable

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Each and every last one of them should have to vote yea or nay and all should have to be present. It's their jobs.

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Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/06/30 15:40:10

Not acceptable

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They are the party of No !!!! But 17 Dems did vote with the rep and my IL senatora DEM did an Obama he voted present !!!LOL

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Starman 2012/06/30 15:14:00

Acceptable

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Acceptable and appropriate. The. It's itself was political theater, when is the house going to stop playing games and get down to the important usiness of the country? Apparently the GOP has no plans to do anything real this year.

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Doc to Starman 2012/06/30 17:10:33

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The hundreds of hispanics and the two border agents murdered aren't important?

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Starman to Doc 2012/06/30 17:15:57

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That is were this investigation started, and had it continued in that direction I would have supported it. Sadly, the GOP stopped pursuing the real issues, which go back many years, and turned it into a political three ring circus. That's when they lost ALL credibility and my support.

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Doc to Starman 2012/06/30 19:17:19

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Would you be kind enough to explain to me how congress wanting to know who knew about this illegal and treasonous operation is just political?

Actually, that question is loaded and not quite fair.

Could you explain how this is all political?

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Starman to Doc 2012/06/30 19:22:30

Seriously? You don't think that the Issa "investigation" went off track cherry picking what they were willing to hear and what was suppressed? You really don't think that he had a political ax to grind? Honestly?

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Doc to Starman 2012/07/01 01:22:12

Of course politics is involved. But do you think that this is all political?
Thousands of untracked guns went to Mexico. The ATF was told not to arrest anyone, and gunshops that suspected something was up were told to sell the guns anyway.
Two federal agents were killed, along with hundreds of mexicans.

How can this be ALL political?

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Starman to Doc 2012/07/01 01:57:31

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The problem is that Issa stopped trying to find out what happened and instead was only looking for ways to make Obama look bad. There is no way for Issa to find out what really happened with what he was doing.

For a good analysis of what Fast & Furious is really all about take a look at this article. It's a good read: http://features.blogs.fortune...

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konalimu to Starman 2012/07/01 16:51:39

Issa can't get the relevant documents from Holder, get some reality already!

Why bother invoke an executive privilege if WH or obama wasn't involved as obama proclaimed???

Why not turn over the documents? These were the documents that Holder was willing to "brief" but would not allow the congress to have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why? It will come out, it might buy time for obama's re-election, but history will view him as the president of the cesspool politics.

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Starman to konalimu 2012/07/01 17:17:29

The documents that were withheld relation to ongoing investigations. Try reading the article, it's very illuminating.

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Doc to Starman 2012/07/01 22:44:51

The article is rather long, and it does support your position somewhat, but there are still some things that are unclear.

Why didn't the prosecuters act?

The idea that Issa is acting this way due to the election is not likely, since he asked for the documents last year, which was not an election year.

Regardless of the reason, US federal agents screwed up and hundreds of innocent people DIED as a result.

The DOJ is supposed to investigate this, and it hasn't.

Here's alink that logically argues the other side.
http://theweek.com/article/in...

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Starman to Doc 2012/07/01 23:50:18

I reference an investigative news article in Fortune Magazine and you give me "The Week". Sigh. The article you send the link to certainly is short, but it's also content free. It says 1) Executive Privilege 2) Executive Privilege 3) There must be justice. So?

The DOJ said that it would not release documents on ongoing investigations. The President said, via executive privilege that the DOJ would not release documents on ongoing investigations.

The very idea that somehow this leads to a big cover up at the highest levels of government is absurd. Did you really read the article in Fortune. If you had I think you'd have a better understanding of what really happened.

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Doc to Starman 2012/07/11 17:50:19

Yes, I did read the article.

But I think we'd be better off just debating straight.

You seem a decent fellow, so unless I find something that I completely disagree with, I won't question it.

Anyway, your fortune article states that guns weren't intentionally let out of the country.
However, the whole reason Fast and Furious came to light is that a whistle blower in the ATF said that he was ordered to allow guns to walk.

And that IS from your article.

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Starman to Doc 2012/07/11 17:55:14

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They were trying desperately to find a way to get to the heads of the cartels despite having their hands tied behind their backs by National Rifle Association and the other gun lobbies.

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Doc to Starman 2012/07/11 18:14:15

So it's okay for them to break the law?

And is it wrong for the gun lobbies to not want the cartels to get guns?

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Starman to Doc 2012/07/11 19:52:20

The real issues of any wrong doing are being investigated, and indictment are already being handed down. That doesn't warrant turning this into a huge political ploy.

The gun lobbies are not working to prevent anyone, even cartels getting guns. They are pushing unswervingly for gun availability to anyone and everyone with no restrictions.

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Doc to Starman 2012/07/12 19:09:27

Interesting opinion.

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M GABLE to Starman 2012/06/30 17:13:40

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IF YOUR SON HAD DIED WOULD YOU WANT THE TRUETH

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Starman to M GABLE 2012/06/30 17:17:31

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Yes I would, and I'd support an investigation that was actually looking for the truth. The GOP turned this into a politically motivated farce and lost all site of the real issues.

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KC to Starman 2012/06/30 17:38:26

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Just like the GOP did with Clinton...right? Baseless... political theater...right?

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Idiot r... to KC 2012/06/30 17:54:42

Thats exactly what it was, not only that it was embarrassing that the GOP acted like a bunch of 12 year old boys.

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KC to Idiot r... 2012/07/01 15:51:36 (edited)

Oh and the Democrats were mature and morally up standing...what a joke! And the democratic President was... hmm... let me see...he was.... a LIAR! couldn't just smoke that cigar...could not keep his little... w***** in his pants... oh thats right... misunderstood that oral does not mean sex... oh yea...

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Starman to KC 2012/06/30 19:17:20

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A perfect example of another time the GOP wasted our time and money on another witch hunt. Thanks.

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KC to Starman 2012/07/01 15:52:11

Oh and the Democrats were mature and morally up standing...what a joke! Oh thats right the Democrats don't run on morals and values so they don't have to have any...thats right...

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Idiot r... to KC 2012/07/01 15:59:37

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You realize it was the GOP that wanted to know in public what Clintons business looked like right?

Sure, that wasn't a $70,000,000. witch hunt.

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KC to Idiot r... 2012/07/01 16:29:38

Yea... they wanted him to tell the TRUTH... I know how dare the GOP expect that out of a sitting President... well anyways... he lied so because he LIED....the GOP investigated the incident with the taxpayers footing the bill just because HE LIED! I know... Clinton did the dirty...he lied about doing the dirty... BUT THE GOP ARE TO BLAME FOR INVESTIGATING HIM... got it... same ole same ole.

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Starman to KC 2012/07/01 16:05:30

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Why are you trying to make this about the Democrats? Is your argument that the GOP can be just as bad as the worst example you can think of? The issue at hand is that the Republicans are wasting our time and our money trying to turn this into political capital.

There is a really good investigative piece on Fast and Furious in Fortune Magazine. It's online, you should read it.

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KC to Starman 2012/07/01 16:31:11

That is okay...you can read it... I am not with a party... but when I see hypocrisy...either way... I call it. HYPOCRISY!

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Starman to KC 2012/07/01 16:50:10

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Don't you want the facts? It's a good investigative piece.

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KC to Starman 2012/07/01 16:53:18

Well I LOVE the facts but not sure that ONE article that you want me to read is going to give all the facts... I am just browsing right now...maybe later if I feel like being either in a serious or maybe wanting a good laugh mood... I might go there but right now I am enjoying my coffee and feeling kind of light hearted...so not now.

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Drue-AFCL to Starman 2012/06/30 18:48:36

Like I have stated before and I am going to do it again. If Brian Terry were your brother I would want answers for you and yours as well.

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Starman to Drue-AFCL 2012/06/30 19:19:32

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Yes, and if there had been a real investigation of the history, background and source of these programs i would have supported them. The GOP choose instead to not look at the real problems, but turn it into a witch hunt to try to damage the administration. That is when they lost all credibility and my support.

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Drue-AFCL to Starman 2012/06/30 19:22:59

I disagree. No one but the Obama Administration is capable of damaging themselves and are doing an excellent job at doing so!

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Starman to Drue-AFCL 2012/06/30 19:25:06

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Stop, you're going to hurt yourself bending over that far to the right. The human body was not meant to take that unnatural a shape.

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Defend ... to Starman 2012/06/30 20:26:07

no this is about finding out about holders and obamas planes to manufacture a reason to kill the 2nd Amendment
why do you Hardcore Liberal Progressive leaders love Jew Killing Muslim terrorist and Nazi Racist gun control so much?

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Starman to Defend ... 2012/06/30 21:54:10

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Oh brother.

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Defend ... to Starman 2012/07/01 00:26:16

i see you have no clue Americans will laugh in the face of obama and holder as they are being frog marched by US Marines to Gitmo

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Starman to Defend ... 2012/07/01 00:38:50

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OK, that enough.

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