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WHAT IS THE REAL TYRANNY IN AMERICA?

Diane T 2009/11/18 17:00:07
A post for ALL left and right alike. PLEASE set aside differences and AGREE that we all love our country and read this with an open mind.
DO NOT be turned off by the first sentence, this is NOT what you may think it is about.

Yes, there is and has been a "shadow government" that is ETERNAL, and continues to grow in its size and powers. It doesn't matter who is in Congress or even the presidency!
The insult? WE pay for it. It isn't what you think..Ironically this "4th branch" imposes its powers even on the government that created it.

From Tocqueville written late 1700's, early 1800's when he visited America.
"The sovereign extends its arms about the society as a whole; it covers its surface with a network of petty regulations---complicated, minute, and uniform---through which even the most original minds and the most vigorous souls know not how to make their way...It does not break wills; it softens them, bends them, and directs them; rarely does it force one to act, but it constantly opposes itself to one's acting on one's own...It does not tyrannize, it gets in the way; it curtails, it enervates, it extinguishes, it stupefies, and finally reduces each nation to being nothing more than a herd of timid and industrious animals (sheep) of which the government is the shepherd."

The Federal Register Act was created by Pres. Roosevelt in 1935. Title 3 sec. 301 et seq. by Executive Order. He gave himself the power to create federal agencies and appoint a head of the agency. He then re-delegated his authority to make law (statutory regulations) to those agency heads.
One big problem there, the president has no constitutional authority to make law. Under the Constitution re-delegation of delegated authority is a felony breach.
The president then gave the agencies the authority to tax. We now have government by appointment running this country. This is the shadow government sometimes spoken about, but never referred to as government by appointment. This type of government represents taxation without representation.
This private corruption of the law has occurred despite the Constitutional responsibility conferred on Congress by Article I, Section 8 of the Federal Constitution which states that it is Congress that "makes all Laws." James Madison pointed out in the Federalist Papers #47: "The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive and judiciary, in the same hands whether of one, a few or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of TYRANNY."
The legislative power, has migrated to the executive branch thanks to the proliferation of a "myriad" regulatory agencies, including the baneful IRS, which emit thousands of new regulations a year that are all given the force of law; all of this without so much as a by-your-leave from Congress, much less the people it purports to represent. (Moreover, the president himself has transformed the executive order-once little more than an internal memorandum-into a veritable imperial decree fit more for a monarch than for an elected official in a supposedly popular government.)
Consider the mass of stifling (and unconstitutional) federal regulations foisted on business and commerce, and individuals, all in the name of "protecting the consumer".

What is this 4th branch? This "shadow government"?
The myriad of Federal Government Agencies.
1.8 million employed by fed govt. treasury alone 115,897 in '07 cost of $11.1 Billion.
There is a total of nearly 1,000 , ONE THOUSAND existing government agencies NOW (with over 100 more coming with the health care bill) employing 2 million, at a cost of $3 trillion of YOUR taxpayer dollars;and growing. Remember these agencies make their own LAWS outside the purview of the Constitution.
I will agree there are some agencies that are useful. I do object to their arbitrary authority to create new laws. I also object to creating new agencies or agencies that serve no useful purpose.
Example: The FDA recently sent letters to 30 alcohol beverage companies. Questioning the use of caffeine in these beverages. Why? Because teenagers, are more apt to drink and drive, or have bad behavior. Excuse me? Are we no longer responsible for our own actions? Does anyone not know by now that drinking and driving is against the law! This agency feels compelled to dictate to a private company?
I contend there is NOTHING that people using their own common sense, and being responsible requires all these petty infringements. FREEDOM requires its citizens to be responsible.

The British writer-philosopher C.S. Lewis wrote,"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons' cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
Fortunately, we are not YET completely devoid of civic virtue, including the understanding that is a necessary concomitant of liberty. Millions of Americans still yearn for freedom and deplore a political state of affairs that is veering perilously close to delivering us into total BONDAGE.
many Americans understand that it is government, NOT FREEDOM, that has failed.
FREEDOM WORKS, the American miracle continues to stand as an unassailable testimony of this.

An example of two of these agencies is from CATO
Department of Agriculture
The U.S. Department of Agriculture pays farmers not to grow crops on their land in order to keep their selling prices high, then turns around and doles out food stamps so that consumers can afford to pay those inflated prices. Though the portion of the population that farms has declined, the USDA bureaucracy has not. There is now roughly one bureaucrat for every six full-time farmers. The USDA should be eliminated, freeing farmers to grow whatever quantity of whatever crops they see fit and to sell them at whatever price the market will bear.
Me: Does this make any sense to anyone?
U.S. Information Agency
The USIA spends $1.2 billion a year and employs 7,000 bureaucrats in an effort to inform citizens of other nations about the policies of the United States. To monitor its progress, the USIA commissions public opinion surveys about the United States and its policies in nearly every country. It supports public-access libraries in developing countries and overseas performing and fine arts programs and international broadcasting activities such as Voice of America and Radio Marti. None of those activities is a justifiable expenditure of taxpayer dollars. The USIA should be terminated.
Do we really need to do this?
Talk about saving money, cutting the federal budget, being fiscally responsible.
Should Congress spend its time reviewing all these agencies and disposing of those that are not necessary? Put the process of creating laws back to Congress where it LEGALLY belongs.
AND insist that every bill Congress proposes be shown legality in the Constitution!
States enforce the 10th amendment for your own sake.
ON HEALTH CARE:
I agree health care needs reform. I contend it can be solved on a local and state level where it should be, with the exception of interstate sale of these policies. Should this monstrous bill be passed as it is America will be buried under both the regulatory and financial burden to an extent that we will be forced into "One World Government".
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  • Dan 2009/11/18 21:23:13 (edited)
    Dan
    +22
    1/2 of our country does NOT want to learn the true definition of tyranny in the U.S. They would prefer their politics instead of what is right, fair, necessary, sustainable, and sensible. Apparently, ignorance and laziness are bliss, as long as the socialist government keeps taking more and more from those who earn/pay taxes.

    Active tyranny is forcing undesired legislation on the the people (citizens and taxpayers). only to achieve political goals (bribing 25 million uninsured Americans with the outright LIE of "free" (paid for by taxpayers, NOT the government).

    Active tyranny is also attacking successful business owners (those not considered "too big to fail" by politicians and their union friends) with tax penalties or removing prior tax incentives (previously established by other politcians and proven to erduce costs, increasing the potential to hire more employees).

    Passive tyranny, is "respecting" foreign leaders and terrorists MUCH more than you do the American people, apologizing for the U.S. (we NEVER needed a spokesman to apologize for ANYTHING!!!) and providing foreign war criminals with every benefit of the U.S. criminal justice system - just to sustain your tyrannical control and stay in power.

    Before you start complaining about my post (I know so many of you will), remember:
    I never mentioned a party's name.

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  • SkitterD 2009/12/05 04:18:23
    SkitterD
    +1
    Yep, good ole FDR! Mr. Commie himself! The shadow gov you speak of is the Bilders, the Tri's and I'm sure a few more all unified to destroy mankind.
  • StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie... 2009/11/30 00:06:00
    StarSpangledGirl- A "kookie" and PROUD Ron Paul R3publican
    +1
    YUP..that is why no matter who is in office (unless it is someone with balls as big as Ron Paul's)...the POWERS TO BE will always be the ones in charge.

    MUST WATCH VIDEO...please listen carefully to the words...(ps...does have the F word...but get over it...lol)
  • J 2009/11/24 20:27:13 (edited)
    J
    +1
    Roosevelt has always been so overrated. He did more to harm this country than any Presidents besides Carter and Obama.

    Tyranny - the Democrat contolled House, Senate, Executive Office and the Supremem Court. Would be the same too if it were Republicans.
  • Diane T J 2009/11/27 20:04:54
    Diane T
    i fear you r right with that, Repubs wouldn't be too far behind. i will say i doubt the Repubs hate this country s much as O does. i got an email from BHO for Thanksgiving without putting the whole propaganda speech here nothing in this email was truly about Thanksgiving. This sentence put me off the wall. WTH
    "It seems like a lifetime ago that a crowd met on a frigid February morning in Springfield, Illinois to set out on an improbable course to change our nation."
  • TruBluTopaz 2009/11/21 23:46:17
    TruBluTopaz
    +1
    The real tyranny is a bureaucracy that is so self-serving that they see nothing wrong with writing and forcing policy even in the face of public opinion. These policy wonks work in every congressional office, every bureau, department and office. They work not to make things better, more efficient or more effective, but only to prolong their jobs and missions at all costs. As such they are the apolitical gadflies that keep stirring the pot, leaking the stories and making things up just to serve their own ends, not America's
  • Diane T TruBluT... 2009/11/27 20:05:52
    Diane T
    Well said!! Call it job security. None the less it has to stop.
  • DaHawk 2009/11/20 17:32:38
    DaHawk
    +8
    We as Americans bought into the idea that Government can fix all that ails us whether it is legislating against stuff like the Right does or being the nanny state like the Left does. Politicians have decided it is more important to get re-elected than to serve their country. THAT is the real tyranny.
  • Diane T DaHawk 2009/11/27 20:07:17
    Diane T
    We the people have to STOP this pray before it is too late. insist that Congress review ALL these agencies. As for nanny state "they" are teaching it in our schools, now we have to teach our children the truth!
  • Average American by Cory Merry 2009/11/20 17:04:44
    Average American by Cory Merry
    +1
    To add to your information, here is an interesting fact.

    16% of the US adult population works for the government. that is equal to every person in California, Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico (Legal and illegal alike) being employed by them and you would still have 200,000 job openings....
  • Diane T Average... 2009/11/27 20:07:57
    Diane T
    +1
    Thanks for that info something to think about and put it all into prospective.
  • JCD aka... Average... 2009/11/28 08:02:26
    JCD aka "biz"
    A lower % of the working population than in many Western European countries. No wonder many oif your public services are under-staffed.
  • Average... JCD aka... 2009/11/28 18:12:59
    Average American by Cory Merry
    +1
    Are you serious? The problem with that number is that we live in a republic, not a socialist state. It is way too fricking big. Socialist states have layer after of layer of public employee, not a republic. We are supposed to be able to do for ourselves.
  • Diane T Average... 2009/12/05 03:12:27
    Diane T
    +1
    YES and I for one would rather do for myself!
  • Diane T 2009/11/20 15:31:43
    Diane T
    +2
    UPDATE Something I should have included. Yes, there are regulations that require Congress to review Fed. agencies periodically. Problem is once these "pet" programs are initiated none of them want to stop, or change any of it. After all politicians use these agencies to their own benefit.
    http://usgovinfo.about.com/li...
    This is the text of the Congressional Review Act, a part of the Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act of 1996, also called the Contract with America Advancement Act of 1996. The Congressional Review Act allows Congress to review every new federal regulation issued by the government agencies and, by passage of a joint resolution, overrule a regulation.
    etc., etc.
  • CA 2009/11/20 03:25:11
    CA
    +2
    It's called Corporatism. Neither side of the media will call it this because it exposes the Federal government for what it is.
  • Diane T CA 2009/11/20 14:40:14
    Diane T
    True thats why it continues..I don't know that anyone talks about this massive monster.
  • Merl 2009/11/20 01:53:22
    Merl
    +1
    Any suggestions on how to remove this boil on society? Even the president and his advisors admit that the path we are on is unsustainable, but yet no one is doing anything to stop the path, on either side of the aisle. We need a cross road, not a u-turn, or a blinded straight ahead drop off. Do you know of anyone advocating a feasable strategy to save us?
  • Diane T Merl 2009/11/20 14:47:29
    Diane T
    +1
    Work lots of work by US "We the people" first is to be aware of the problemS plural..
    As for politicians, WE have to find them. Existing? Boehner, Bachman, King, Foxx,
    Senators Sen. DeMint wrote an excellent (non-partisan) book Saving Freedom. In it he explains what goes on in DC why a good guy gets pushed around and why "they" have trouble listening to US..and most of all ideas on how to solve much of our problems
    I believe it is existing rule/law that Congress review agencies and programs every five years even so nothing gets done because it is always someone pet.
    Someone here mentioned bill to decrease agency spending by 10% yr, and NO new ones unless they can decrease the cost of that one elsewhere.
  • Merl Diane T 2009/11/20 16:23:58
  • Richie 2009/11/20 01:09:38
    Richie
    +1
    This administration's leader --would rather not own up to anything---he'll hand it over to all his czars---so if it fails --they'll get the blaime and if if succeeds he'll take credit for it!!! loves to take trips and vacations and fly in jets!!!and remember he voted present one hundred times in the senate!!
  • Diane T Richie 2009/11/20 14:49:54
    Diane T
    +1
    Sadly, Ritchie these agencies have been with us for decades so no matter who has control of the WH or Congress this insane monster continues. With the "health care" bill includes up to 111 NEW agencies free to make and force on us their own laws, rules and regulations adding greatly to the already over 74,000 pages
  • mike 2009/11/19 20:19:41
    mike
    +1
    go get em, and i do agree
  • Diane T mike 2009/11/20 14:50:07
    Diane T
    Thanks mike
  • mike Diane T 2009/12/03 17:59:14
    mike
    +1
    anytime Diane,have a great day,i have been out of town and is why i didnt respond befor.
  • Ukie 2009/11/19 19:12:11
    Ukie
    +5
    Excellent post....Our differences should not be about who is right in their ideology. Rather, we all should have the courage to "really" look at what is happening to our country via the abrogation of the Constution no matter which ideology is in power.....be it "Left" or " "Right". Those who framed the Constitution were not commited to an ideology. They were commited to the "concept" of Freedom knowing that there would always be unscrupulous people to follow whose only goal would be serve their own self interest by any means. If we do not remain vigilant, our country as evisioned by the Contitution will be lost to to those whose only interest is obtaining and maintaining their positions of power. Superficial thinking on our part will only aid and abet those who do not have our best interests at heart. What we are seeing now is an ideology that is being used as a "means to an end' to achieve a much more sinister goal. Our freedoms are consciously being eroded on a daily basis by those who choose to "change" our country so radically as to be in-spite-of and at the expense of the Constitution. We are in grave danger if we do analyze critically what is truly happening to our country. country radically in-spite-of expense constitution grave danger analyze critically country
  • TruePat... Ukie 2009/11/19 21:27:13
    TruePatriot
    +1
    Kudos. Very well said.
  • Diane T TruePat... 2009/11/20 14:51:02
    Diane T
    Thank you for your comment.
  • Diane T Ukie 2009/11/20 14:58:53
    Diane T
    Its obvious that FDR usurped the Constitution to make these laws. Before he "loaded" the supreme court they were finding against his policies. Down hill ever since.
    fdr usurped constitution laws loaded supreme court finding policies hill
  • Chicken Licken 2009/11/19 18:32:47
  • Lt. Fred Chicken... 2009/11/19 22:43:43
    Lt. Fred
    +2
    I prefer the Upton Sinclair- "You cannot make someone understand what they earn their wage for misunderstanding."
  • Diane T Lt. Fred 2009/11/20 14:52:17
    Diane T
    LOL true!
  • Diane T Chicken... 2009/11/20 14:51:44
    Diane T
    THANX UK Nice to know your still on our side.
  • John Deathhammer 2009/11/19 18:18:25
    John Deathhammer
    +2
    Hang them all
  • Diane T John De... 2009/11/20 14:52:43
    Diane T
    Lets try firing them all first..LOL
  • John De... Diane T 2009/11/20 21:48:22
    John Deathhammer
    +1
    Yeah, out of a cannon.
  • Diane T John De... 2009/11/27 20:12:28
    Diane T
    Can we Can we???
  • John De... Diane T 2009/11/27 20:17:34
    John Deathhammer
    +1
    Absolutely!!
  • Rockhead 2009/11/19 17:43:09
    Rockhead
    +1
    Their idea's and suggestions will always be a tyranny in America


    ideas suggestions tyranny america
  • carri b... Rockhead 2009/11/19 19:05:43
    carri byers
    +1
    Sorry Homeward, hope you don't mind my piggybacking on your post to answer Bob (who has me blocked) below.

    This is a typical liberal coverage of conservative ideals. I could go right now to the average liberal man on the street and get the same kind of screwed up ideology expressed poorly and supported with truth mixed with fantasy.

    The fact is we have a dumbed down public that doesn't know it's founding documents from a hole in the wall. That is true of red, blue and in between. Though Mortensen didn't have his facts straight about God being mentioned in the Constitution, anyone who's done any reading of the writings of those involved with the construction of the Constitution and the sources used in writing it understands the powerful influence The Bible had on the discussions and conversations that led to final draft of that great document.

    This man may not have had all his facts right, but his instincts are correct...our freedoms are being eroded by a government attempting to "care" for EVERYONE at the INDIVIDUAL'S expense. Between Cap and Trade (which will put control of energy and how you and I use it into the hands of bureaucrats), the Employee Free Choice Act (which will give power to the Unions [big funders of the Democratic party] to strong arm employees into si...
    Sorry Homeward, hope you don't mind my piggybacking on your post to answer Bob (who has me blocked) below.

    This is a typical liberal coverage of conservative ideals. I could go right now to the average liberal man on the street and get the same kind of screwed up ideology expressed poorly and supported with truth mixed with fantasy.

    The fact is we have a dumbed down public that doesn't know it's founding documents from a hole in the wall. That is true of red, blue and in between. Though Mortensen didn't have his facts straight about God being mentioned in the Constitution, anyone who's done any reading of the writings of those involved with the construction of the Constitution and the sources used in writing it understands the powerful influence The Bible had on the discussions and conversations that led to final draft of that great document.

    This man may not have had all his facts right, but his instincts are correct...our freedoms are being eroded by a government attempting to "care" for EVERYONE at the INDIVIDUAL'S expense. Between Cap and Trade (which will put control of energy and how you and I use it into the hands of bureaucrats), the Employee Free Choice Act (which will give power to the Unions [big funders of the Democratic party] to strong arm employees into signing union cards that will automatically - without the protection of secret ballot - establish a union shop), and, of course, the epitome of freedoms lost...Health Care Reform (which will put our most private decisions in the hands of layers and layers of bureaucrats and will give government the power to dictate private behavior) --- the America of the past is being swept away to make way for Fascist America in the name of "equality" and "workers of the world unite".
    (more)
  • Lt. Fred carri b... 2009/11/19 22:45:47
    Lt. Fred
    +1
    Marxism is not fascism. They are very different philosophies- opposites, in fact.
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