Now ask yourself, "How can a person who at birth is born a Dual National meet the definition of a natural born citizen?".
With the following known facts:
The Framers inserted the natural born citizen clause because they feared foreign influence and did not want a person with divided allegiance becoming President.
Why? Because he says so? He has not shown his Birth Certificate. He has only provided an Abstract based on "information on file" from a State where his father previously held the Governor's Seat. When the President provided his abstract you folks deemed it unacceptable and demanded his Certified Long Form Birth Certificate.
There is a much greater chance that Mitt Romney was born in Mexico than Obama was born in Kenya. The Romney's have been established in Mexico for generations and travel between the US and Mexico was virtually unrestricted in 1947 and one could easily drive there.
On the other hand, Stanley Ann Dunham was on an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean with no passport in 1961.
The President's Birth Certificate has been Certified, Signed, Sealed and verified on mutiple occasions by the State of Hawaii. If you have a problem with that you'll have to take it up with Governor Abercrombie. Romney has not provided his birth certificate AT ALL.
The passport records of Stanley Ann Dunham show that the earliest she could have held a Passport to leave the country was 1965.
The earliest record is for a 1968 renewal of her passport dated July 19, 1965 which extended her passport a further 2 years to July 18, 1970. Pub. L. 86-267 in 1959 stated the initial term of a passport to be 3 years and renewal to 5 years, therefore the July 1965 passport can only be her first passport since it had to be renewed 3 years later, which she did on August 13, 1968 through the US Embassy in Indonesia. If it was a second renewal, she wouldn't have had to file until 1970.
On July 26, 1968, Pub. L. 90-428 provided provisions that "a passport or passport visa be limited to a period of three years, that a passport be renewed pursuant to regulations of the Secretary for a period not to exceed two years, provided that the final date of expiration not be more than five years from the original date of issue, th...
The President's Birth Certificate has been Certified, Signed, Sealed and verified on mutiple occasions by the State of Hawaii. If you have a problem with that you'll have to take it up with Governor Abercrombie. Romney has not provided his birth certificate AT ALL.
The passport records of Stanley Ann Dunham show that the earliest she could have held a Passport to leave the country was 1965.
The earliest record is for a 1968 renewal of her passport dated July 19, 1965 which extended her passport a further 2 years to July 18, 1970. Pub. L. 86-267 in 1959 stated the initial term of a passport to be 3 years and renewal to 5 years, therefore the July 1965 passport can only be her first passport since it had to be renewed 3 years later, which she did on August 13, 1968 through the US Embassy in Indonesia. If it was a second renewal, she wouldn't have had to file until 1970.
On July 26, 1968, Pub. L. 90-428 provided provisions that "a passport or passport visa be limited to a period of three years, that a passport be renewed pursuant to regulations of the Secretary for a period not to exceed two years, provided that the final date of expiration not be more than five years from the original date of issue, that the Secretary be authorized to limit the validity of a passport, passport visa, or period of renewal of a passport to less than two years." - Therefore her 1968 renewal application was renewed until July 18, 1970 (less than 2 years). http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/u...
Also, there are no records of Barack Obama Sr. leaving the country until 1965, which matters unless you are implying she went to Kenya to have a baby by herself.
This proves the President was born IN THE UNITED STATES without even needing to look at a birth certificate as his mother could not have held a valid passport to travel anywhere else in 1961. If you still don't believe it was Hawaii.. fine. Call it Cleveland then. It doesn't matter.
Birther logic: "I'm a US citizen and about to have a baby so I think I'll fly halfway around the world to have it in a 3rd World country - without a passport."
US Presidents who held dual citizenship at the time they took office:
GEORGE WASHINGTON (US & France) THOMAS JEFFERSON (US & France) JAMES MADISON (US & France) WOODROW WILSON (US & Great Britain)
What was that you claimed again? Oh yeah "The Framers inserted the natural born citizen clause because they feared foreign influence and did not want a person with divided allegiance becoming President" LMFAO!!! Try again. The intent was to exclude those loyal to the enemy, Britain.
Washington, Jefferson and Madison were made French Citizens AFTER the Constitution was ratified.
Wilson's mother was born in Great Britain and never renounced her ciitizenship. It was not necessary to do so at the time of her marriage to his father. He was a dual citizen at birth.
Incidentally - Since George Romney was born in Mexico and never had to renounce his Mexican Citizenship, Mitt Romney is also a dual citizen. http://www.aztlan.net/dualcit...
Under Mexico's Dual Nationality Program:
"Children of Mexicans at birth or naturalized will be able to acquire Mexican nationality."
"Natural Born Citizen" means no act of law was required to acquire citizenship. That's all.
Once again, you have the term confused with "Native Born Citizen" which means born on the soil of a country.
Joseph Ruggles Wilson was born in Steubenville, Ohio. He was never "Naturalized." He was a US Citizen at birth. Jessie Janet Woodrow was born in born in Carlisle, England in 1826. Wilson's parents married prior to 1851 therefore his mother automatically gained US citizenship upon marriage without having to renounce previous citizenship in accordance with naturalization statutes of the period. You have no clue what you're talking about and by now are sounding pretty idiotic.
Obama's citizenship is dependent on the 14th Amendment, yet you say he is eligible.
The term "natural born citizen' has the same meaning today as it did at ratification. Translation, if a person born in 1800 was born a non natural born citizen there are no circumstances that would make him a natural born citizen if he were born at any future time.
Would you like another Dual Citizen President now?
HERBERT HOOVER (US & Canada)
Hulda Randall Minthorn was born on May 4, 1848 in Norwich, Ontario, Canada. Hoover's parents married in 1870 and his mother also automatically gained US citizenship in accordance with the naturalization statutes of the period - just like Wilson's.
William Arthur, emigrated from Co. Antrim, Ireland at age 18. He did not become a naturalized US citizen until 14 years after Chester’s birth. Chester's mother, Malvina Stone was born April 29, 1802 in Berkshire, Vermont. Chester A. Arthur was born with dual citizenship of Ireland (Part of the UK at the time) and the United States.
The law said if one becomes naturalized also do their wife and children - The husband/father had to renounce all other citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to the U.S., the U.S. accepted this for the wife and children as well or they would not of allowed them to also be naturalized.
The law said if a U.S. citizen man married a foreigner that person would become a U.S. citizen, But it worked both ways, If a U.S. citizen woman married a foreigner she would loose her U.S. citizenship. The U.S. accepted that once a foreigner woman married a U.S. citizen she then lost her formal citizenship/allegiance.
Again, Arthur is the only one to have Dual Nationality and he does not set PRECEDENT.
The precedent as to natural born citizenship up to Obama was born in the U.S. to two U.S. citizen parents.
Its not up to any country to decide who is a DUAL citizen. It is strictly between the individual and the respective country. I know this because I am one. My father was born in Italy and was Naturalized in the US in 1949. My mother was born in Italy but her father was already a Naturalized US Citizen at the time. She did not have to be naturalized to become a US Citizen and therefore did not have to renounce Italian Citizenship. I hold dual citizenship because she is still an Italian Citizen. The US could care less. I hold a US Passport and an Italian Passport.
For your scenario at first glance I would have to say you are not a natural born citizen because you were born to a parent who had allegiance to another Country.
But, I will have to do some studying to confirm... if I remember correctly Congress has addressed this in the past.
My citizenship status is no different than the men who became Presidents whom I have already listed.
You have no clue what constitutes a "Natural Born Citizen" in the United States. The term merely means "NO ACT OF LAW WAS REQUIRED TO ATTAIN US CITIZENSHIP" There are only two kinds of US Citizens: Natural-Born and Natural-ized.
You are wrong, like I have explained the for the ones you pointed out the U.S. Government only recongnized them as U.S. citizens with complete and sole allegiance to the U.S.
House Report No. 784, dated June 22, 1874, stated, “The United States have not recognized a ‘double allegiance.’ By our law a citizen is bound to be ‘true and faithful’ alone to our government.”
"A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. "
With the following known facts:
The Framers inserted the natural born citizen clause because they feared foreign influence and did not want a person with divided allegiance becoming President.
and
The U.S.Dept of State defines a Dual National as a person who has divided allegiance. http://travel.state.gov/trave...
Refer to George Romney.
Do you need another history lesson or is this another instance of ITS ONLY OK FOR THE WHITE GUY?
ITS ONLY OK FOR THE WHITE GUY.
What's with the racist mantra?
LMAO!!! "Birthers"
Explain to us why you demand a Certified Long Form Birth Certificate from President Obama but not from Mitt Romney (who hasn't provided one).
One reason: ITS ONLY OK FOR THE WHITE GUY.
There is a much greater chance that Mitt Romney was born in Mexico than Obama was born in Kenya. The Romney's have been established in Mexico for generations and travel between the US and Mexico was virtually unrestricted in 1947 and one could easily drive there.
On the other hand, Stanley Ann Dunham was on an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean with no passport in 1961.
ITS ONLY OK FOR THE WHITE GUY.
Oh, so now there's a conspiracy to falsify Romney's record, because his father happened to once be Governor of the State where the records originated?
Race card! Race card!
The passport records of Stanley Ann Dunham show that the earliest she could have held a Passport to leave the country was 1965.
Existing Passport Records of Stanley Ann Dunham:
http://www.scribd.com/puzo1/d...
The earliest record is for a 1968 renewal of her passport dated July 19, 1965 which extended her passport a further 2 years to July 18, 1970. Pub. L. 86-267 in 1959 stated the initial term of a passport to be 3 years and renewal to 5 years, therefore the July 1965 passport can only be her first passport since it had to be renewed 3 years later, which she did on August 13, 1968 through the US Embassy in Indonesia. If it was a second renewal, she wouldn't have had to file until 1970.
On July 26, 1968, Pub. L. 90-428 provided provisions that "a passport or passport visa be limited to a period of three years, that a passport be renewed pursuant to regulations of the Secretary for a period not to exceed two years, provided that the final date of expiration not be more than five years from the original date of issue, th...
The passport records of Stanley Ann Dunham show that the earliest she could have held a Passport to leave the country was 1965.
Existing Passport Records of Stanley Ann Dunham:
http://www.scribd.com/puzo1/d...
The earliest record is for a 1968 renewal of her passport dated July 19, 1965 which extended her passport a further 2 years to July 18, 1970. Pub. L. 86-267 in 1959 stated the initial term of a passport to be 3 years and renewal to 5 years, therefore the July 1965 passport can only be her first passport since it had to be renewed 3 years later, which she did on August 13, 1968 through the US Embassy in Indonesia. If it was a second renewal, she wouldn't have had to file until 1970.
On July 26, 1968, Pub. L. 90-428 provided provisions that "a passport or passport visa be limited to a period of three years, that a passport be renewed pursuant to regulations of the Secretary for a period not to exceed two years, provided that the final date of expiration not be more than five years from the original date of issue, that the Secretary be authorized to limit the validity of a passport, passport visa, or period of renewal of a passport to less than two years." - Therefore her 1968 renewal application was renewed until July 18, 1970 (less than 2 years). http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/u...
Also, there are no records of Barack Obama Sr. leaving the country until 1965, which matters unless you are implying she went to Kenya to have a baby by herself.
This proves the President was born IN THE UNITED STATES without even needing to look at a birth certificate as his mother could not have held a valid passport to travel anywhere else in 1961. If you still don't believe it was Hawaii.. fine. Call it Cleveland then. It doesn't matter.
Birther logic: "I'm a US citizen and about to have a baby so I think I'll fly halfway around the world to have it in a 3rd World country - without a passport."
But go ahead and list any other possible reasons for us.
We'll just wait here.
The RACE CARD beat you this time.
US Presidents who held dual citizenship at the time they took office:
GEORGE WASHINGTON (US & France)
THOMAS JEFFERSON (US & France)
JAMES MADISON (US & France)
WOODROW WILSON (US & Great Britain)
What was that you claimed again? Oh yeah "The Framers inserted the natural born citizen clause because they feared foreign influence and did not want a person with divided allegiance becoming President" LMFAO!!! Try again. The intent was to exclude those loyal to the enemy, Britain.
as far as Wilson, his parents were citizens when he was born.
Washington, Jefferson and Madison were made French Citizens AFTER the Constitution was ratified.
Wilson's mother was born in Great Britain and never renounced her ciitizenship. It was not necessary to do so at the time of her marriage to his father. He was a dual citizen at birth.
Incidentally - Since George Romney was born in Mexico and never had to renounce his Mexican Citizenship, Mitt Romney is also a dual citizen. http://www.aztlan.net/dualcit...
Under Mexico's Dual Nationality Program:
"Children of Mexicans at birth or naturalized will be able to acquire Mexican nationality."
Wrong, Wilson's mother became naturalized when her husband did.
Once again, you have the term confused with "Native Born Citizen" which means born on the soil of a country.
Joseph Ruggles Wilson was born in Steubenville, Ohio. He was never "Naturalized." He was a US Citizen at birth. Jessie Janet Woodrow was born in born in Carlisle, England in 1826. Wilson's parents married prior to 1851 therefore his mother automatically gained US citizenship upon marriage without having to renounce previous citizenship in accordance with naturalization statutes of the period. You have no clue what you're talking about and by now are sounding pretty idiotic.
The term "natural born citizen' has the same meaning today as it did at ratification. Translation, if a person born in 1800 was born a non natural born citizen there are no circumstances that would make him a natural born citizen if he were born at any future time.
Your "Dual Citizen ineligibility" does not float. Many presidents have been dual citizens.
ITS ONLY OK FOR THE WHITE GUYS.
HERBERT HOOVER (US & Canada)
Hulda Randall Minthorn was born on May 4, 1848 in Norwich, Ontario, Canada. Hoover's parents married in 1870 and his mother also automatically gained US citizenship in accordance with the naturalization statutes of the period - just like Wilson's.
CHESTER A. ARTHUR (US & IRELAND)
William Arthur, emigrated from Co. Antrim, Ireland at age 18. He did not become a naturalized US citizen until 14 years after Chester’s birth. Chester's mother, Malvina Stone was born April 29, 1802 in Berkshire, Vermont. Chester A. Arthur was born with dual citizenship of Ireland (Part of the UK at the time) and the United States.
As for Arthur, You know this is not precedent. At the time no one knew, infact no one knew until 2008.
We'll just wait here
The law said if a U.S. citizen man married a foreigner that person would become a U.S. citizen, But it worked both ways, If a U.S. citizen woman married a foreigner she would loose her U.S. citizenship. The U.S. accepted that once a foreigner woman married a U.S. citizen she then lost her formal citizenship/allegiance.
Again, Arthur is the only one to have Dual Nationality and he does not set PRECEDENT.
The precedent as to natural born citizenship up to Obama was born in the U.S. to two U.S. citizen parents.
There isn't one.
Its not up to any country to decide who is a DUAL citizen. It is strictly between the individual and the respective country. I know this because I am one. My father was born in Italy and was Naturalized in the US in 1949. My mother was born in Italy but her father was already a Naturalized US Citizen at the time. She did not have to be naturalized to become a US Citizen and therefore did not have to renounce Italian Citizenship. I hold dual citizenship because she is still an Italian Citizen. The US could care less. I hold a US Passport and an Italian Passport.
But, I will have to do some studying to confirm... if I remember correctly Congress has addressed this in the past.
You have no clue what constitutes a "Natural Born Citizen" in the United States. The term merely means "NO ACT OF LAW WAS REQUIRED TO ATTAIN US CITIZENSHIP" There are only two kinds of US Citizens: Natural-Born and Natural-ized.
http://tesibria.typepad.com/w...
And so far my studies have found this:
House Report No. 784, dated June 22, 1874, stated, “The United States have not recognized a ‘double allegiance.’ By our law a citizen is bound to be ‘true and faithful’ alone to our government.”
Like this...
"A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. "
http://travel.state.gov/trave...