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What is "Social Justice"?

Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/06/30 22:01:02
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It's everywhere, it's everywhere! You hear it, you see it, they talk about it, but do you really know what it is?

Give me a short synopsis of what you think it is.
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  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/07/03 16:48:28
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    It means nothing - a couple of buzz words that are applied to almost anything that the speakers disagree with.
  • Gracie ... Jackie ... 2012/07/03 21:02:14
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    Yep, it's just a bunch of hot air!
  • LADY LIBERTY SILLY WORDSMITH 2012/07/03 01:47:23 (edited)
    LADY LIBERTY SILLY WORDSMITH
    +1
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    STILL BE ABLE to CELEBRATE INDEPENDENCE NEXT YEAR IF BO WILL

    STILL BE in LA CASA BLANCA?

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  • Gracie ... LADY LI... 2012/07/03 01:48:14
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    I don't want to find out. I'm voting for his retirement!
  • LADY LI... Gracie ... 2012/07/03 01:54:00
    LADY LIBERTY SILLY WORDSMITH
    +1
    HAHAHA! I LOVE YOU for BEING YOU!

    I'm HAPPIER these days coz I see HOPE!!! bear hugs
  • LADY LIBERTY SILLY WORDSMITH 2012/07/03 01:24:25
  • wicked soda boy 2012/07/02 03:45:47
    wicked soda boy
    +1
    The idea of "social justice" has led to the long-knives slaughters in China, and the rise of Adolf Hitler in Germany.

    Please, Americans, let's not follow OBAMA-HUSSEIN and PELOSI AND HARRY REID down this FAILED PATH!!!!
  • JesusIsMyGod 2012/07/02 02:05:41
    JesusIsMyGod
    +1
    Justice of a social nature. No I am not trying to be a smart ass. I just have not made sense of the term.
  • Gracie ... JesusIs... 2012/07/02 02:07:39
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    That makes as much sense as they want you to make of it. It really means that they want to restructure society by their terms and their power.
  • JesusIs... Gracie ... 2012/07/02 02:19:32
    JesusIsMyGod
    +1
    Oh, okay. I had no idea. I am a public school victim. Yikes.
  • Gracie ... JesusIs... 2012/07/02 03:51:56
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    Yeah, me too. I didn't actually learn very much until about five years ago when I starting reading.
  • JesusIs... Gracie ... 2012/07/02 04:12:10
    JesusIsMyGod
    +1
    I get I better start reading then.
  • FeedFwd 2012/07/02 01:51:57
    FeedFwd
    +2
    My definition won't be politically correct or in line with what most people imagine social justice to be. It is the maximization of individual freedom so that each of us can maximize the happiness in our lives. The other side of the coin is that we must be held responsible and accountable for our actions so that we don't injure or infringe on the liberties of others. Everybody is unique and each of us has different desires and goals in life and different talents and skills and personal resources to try and meet our desires. We can't force others to provide us with happiness and we shouldn't expect government to force others on our behalf, either.
  • Gracie ... FeedFwd 2012/07/02 01:53:29
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    I don't think that definition will get much action in the Democrat Party or at the UN. You've described what it should be!
  • FeedFwd Gracie ... 2012/07/02 02:15:30
    FeedFwd
    +1
    I think you are right.
  • goblue1968 2012/07/02 00:57:06
    goblue1968
    +2
    A phrase invented by liberals to mean equal outcomes (as opposed to equal opportunities) regardless of how much each individual worked to earn his outcome.
  • Gracie ... goblue1968 2012/07/02 01:39:00
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time! LOL!
  • niki 2012/07/01 21:18:25
    niki
    Social justice is not socialism...
    "Social justice is about equality and fairness between human beings. It works on the universal principles that guide people in knowing what is right and what is wrong. This is also about keeping a balance between groups of people in a society or a community. A fair perception about race, age, gender, culture, laws, traditions, beliefs is considered a good balance. Social justice happens when a person or group of persons do not harbor prejudices that are detrimental to peaceful and productive relationships among individuals or groups.

    A witness who is concerned about social justice will alert the police about the felon's crime so that the felon will be punished and social justice will prevail.
    Social Justice Definition

    A workable social justice definition can be seen in terms of just compensation or salary. In exchange for services or work rendered, there must be economic or monetary reward. The respect for human dignity and practice of civility in the workplace is a good example of social justice. An employee who is constantly scolded in front of other employees suffers from social injustice.

    Social justice is attained when members of a group or community strive to maintain harmonious interpersonal relationships through the observance of g...
    Social justice is not socialism...
    "Social justice is about equality and fairness between human beings. It works on the universal principles that guide people in knowing what is right and what is wrong. This is also about keeping a balance between groups of people in a society or a community. A fair perception about race, age, gender, culture, laws, traditions, beliefs is considered a good balance. Social justice happens when a person or group of persons do not harbor prejudices that are detrimental to peaceful and productive relationships among individuals or groups.

    A witness who is concerned about social justice will alert the police about the felon's crime so that the felon will be punished and social justice will prevail.
    Social Justice Definition

    A workable social justice definition can be seen in terms of just compensation or salary. In exchange for services or work rendered, there must be economic or monetary reward. The respect for human dignity and practice of civility in the workplace is a good example of social justice. An employee who is constantly scolded in front of other employees suffers from social injustice.

    Social justice is attained when members of a group or community strive to maintain harmonious interpersonal relationships through the observance of good morals. Social justice happens when an employer does not favor one person over the other because of race or religion. It happens when each applicant is given equal opportunity.http://www.social...
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  • Gracie ... niki 2012/07/01 22:03:00
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    The fallacy of that definition is right there in one sentence..."Social justice happens when an employer does not favor one person over the other because of race or religion". That would make the false assumption that an employer does not have to consider race or gender when giving someone a promotion or raise. We all know that's the antithesis of what social justice is considered. That would be plain justice.
  • niki Gracie ... 2012/07/01 22:31:03
    niki
    "We all know?"
  • Gracie ... niki 2012/07/02 00:59:24
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Yes, we have quotas for race, gender and even age. We have systems in place that give advantages to certain sectors of society. It's not based on merit or ability, it's not blind justice, because under it we have to remove the blindfold to see the color of the skin and in some cases even the weight. Under the rules of the Americans with Disabilities Act, just about anything can be considered a disability. That is not what you are trying to say social justice is, but you're entirely wrong in that area. So, if you don't know, everyone else does.
  • niki Gracie ... 2012/07/02 01:46:33
    niki
    First, the definition was talking about "applicants" which refers to hiring. You are not taking the sentence in context. I believe it was referring to discrimination in hiring...and yes I know about quotas there, too.
    Secondly, you're applying the definition of "social justice" to systems in place in the United States. This is just a definition, it cites no examples of which countries have social justice.
    Third, from reading your responses to this question, I think this is just another bogus attempt to have crack at the Health Care Bill that was upheld by SCOTUS. You're just couching it as a legitimate inquiry. Next time just be honest and say that is what you are doing and then all your little right wing friends can come and vent about socialism and i won't waste my time.
  • Gracie ... niki 2012/07/02 02:01:55
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    I would say that the healthcare bill would fit in the context of what they think Social Justice is, but that wasn't my intent at all. Actually I asked for your idea of what it is, not some copy and paste definition from someone else.

    Truthfully, I would like to understand how progressives conceptualize it because they sure throw the concept around a lot. You seem a little touchy about it. If you posted a similar question about something that I was passionate about I'd be sure and give you my opinion about it and not be embarrassed about what I believed in.

    Part of what social justice is, IMO, a hazy concept with no true meaning that they can bend and shape to fit their agenda. A phrase with a feel good name and very little true justice.

    You can take it or leave it but when you have to be thin-skinned about something you supposedly believe in, you should re-evaluate your convictions.
  • niki Gracie ... 2012/07/02 02:31:58 (edited)
    niki
    I'm not touchy and I posted my belief that social justice is not socialism. Then I searched for a definition that fit my concept. You are the one deciding I'm "embarrassed"... not me. I don't need to evaluate anything. I'm just tired of the way you conservatives post questions "asking" for a definition and then use it as a way to talk smack. There is nothing "truthful" in your posting of this question. You took the opportunity to "try" and dissect my reply in terms of the U.S. and to rail against something you believe is progressive. Get over yourself, you can spin it all you like!
  • Gracie ... niki 2012/07/02 03:54:14
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    It's an opinion site! Lighten up or you'll bust a blood vessel here. Just some friendly advice. Social Justice is a progressive term with progressive ideas and implications. I can't make it nice like you want it to be.
  • niki Gracie ... 2012/07/02 11:21:11
    niki
    No one is asking you to make it "nice." Some truth from a conservative, however, would be nice for a change.
  • Gracie ... niki 2012/07/02 16:05:34
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    What have I said that was not truthful? Just because what we know to be true doesn't jive with what you've been taught doesn't make us liars. Instead of assuming so maybe you should search for the truth on your own. When someone tells you something don't take it at face value just because some authoritative figurehead put it out there. You'd be surprised at how many "facts" aren't facts at all. What happens in progressivism is that quotes that are inherently incorrect are reused and accepted at factual.

    So, pick out some untruth and we can discuss it. I'm perfectly capable of backing up anything I've said here. Don't dismiss it because you don't like it.
  • niki Gracie ... 2012/07/02 22:31:53
    niki
    The untruth I am referring to is the question you posted...I said it before. I believe this question to be no more than a way for all of you conservatives to vent your spleen. This isn't about talking about social justice. This question is about dissing what you view as Progressive legislative changes in the U.S. I don't need ANOTHER lecture from you about my mindset. You don't want to discuss "social justice" you want to talk about Progressivism...there in contains the "lie" of your question.
  • Gracie ... niki 2012/07/02 22:34:46
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Because social justice is a progressive agenda, they are intertwined. Feel free to move on if you don't want to discuss it.
  • niki Gracie ... 2012/07/02 22:41:35
    niki
    But, they are not the same thing...bye!
  • niki Gracie ... 2012/07/02 03:02:34
    niki
    One more thing...I'm perfectly capable of writing a synopsis, but I CHOSE to get one off the web to see if you would do exactly what you did. I wanted to make sure there were no references to any country... just a clinical definition. You bit...you guys always do. : }
  • goblue1968 niki 2012/07/02 16:07:06
    goblue1968
    +1
    I just happened to stumble into your conversation with Gracie which ensued below the post which I had made earlier. Just out of my interest to add some info for both of you here is that I was discriminated against during my working years due to affirmative action quotas that our Personnel Dept. enforced upon my bosses, and then later on, after I finally was promoted into management, I saw firsthand how the affirmative action quotas were strictly enforced against management during their hiring reviews of resumes and later against lists of employees eligible for salary "merit" increases and promotions to open management positions.

    I also have a different question: How does your concept of social justice compare with your concept of "Utopia"?
  • Gracie ... goblue1968 2012/07/02 16:18:55
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    Affirmative action is the forced promotion of one sector of society to the direct detriment of another. It turns a meritocracy into a mediocracy. You just happened to be on the receiving end and there is nothing "fair" about it. It's kills production instead of promoting it.
  • goblue1968 Gracie ... 2012/07/02 16:53:39
    goblue1968
    +1
    Yeah, I had to wait in line behind one woman and a bunch of less qualified minority people before I got my promotion into the management level of my company (one of the Big Three auto companies, as they were called back then, in the 1970s). I only had to wait behind one woman, because back at that time, there was only one woman engineer working in my division, so she got the rapid path treatment through the ranks!
  • niki goblue1968 2012/07/02 22:38:34 (edited)
    niki
    +1
    I said it to Gracie and I will reiterate it for you, "The question posted did not include how social justice is applied in the U.S." I didn't give an answer applying it to any country.
    The only concept of I have of a "utopia" comes from my college reading of the book by the same name by Thomas Moore. I, myself, don't believe it is possible to attain on Earth. We can only strive for a more "perfect union."
  • ScottyG - Faqueue 2012/07/01 18:00:17
    ScottyG - Faqueue
    +1
    It's to steal from the rich to let the lazy live lavish lives. I mean these criminals work the system and live the welfare king and queen lives.
  • Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody 2012/07/01 16:14:45
    Dwight-AFCL>dogsbody
    +1
    Just a made up talking point for Leftist to use.
  • texasred 2012/07/01 14:10:19
    texasred
    +2
    According to wiseGEEK, "A general definition of social justice is hard to arrive at and even harder to implement. In essence, social justice is concerned with equal justice, not just in the courts, but in all aspects of society. This concept demands that people have equal rights and opportunities; everyone, from the poorest person on the margins of society to the wealthiest deserves an even playing field."

    Many people think that should include redistribution of wealth. But what I've seen is that most people on the top of the totem pole espouse this in order to obtain power and control over those lower on the totem pole.
  • Gracie ... texasred 2012/07/01 18:42:37
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    The thing that they don't get is leveling the playing field requires giving certain groups special rights, not equal rights. It's like holding the fastest person in the race back until the slowest is almost finished. It's not competition, it's redistribution of rights as well as wealth.

    You hit on exactly what it's about and that is for man to dictate every aspect of our lives. It's a term designed to give the elitist the power to realign society. Marx would be proud!
  • texasred Gracie ... 2012/07/01 18:54:04
    texasred
    +1
    I'm sure he's looking up and laughing right now.

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