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Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/06/11 00:27:49
and the mother could tell that her unborn baby would in fact be gay, would aborting that baby be moral? It seems that anyone that is pro-choice is indifferent to the reasons for abortion and defend it under any circumstances. I find eugenics inherently evil and amoral.

This isn't about gay bashing, this is a moral question.
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  • apacheh... mightym... 2012/06/11 03:54:05
    apachehellfire65
    of course there is. but its more likely to be a lefty that is both pro choice and pro gay rights.
  • Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL 2012/06/11 01:00:30
    Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL
    +4
    I am not totally convinced that being gay is genetic or socially conditioned or some of both. I understand that it exists and that it is not going away. Whether I agree or disagree with it does not matter. People find solice in many forms and relationships, how that transpires only God knows if it was in the big design for mankind. Gay people do not offend me. I find many other things more offensive than human sexuality, things such as hatred.
  • Gracie ... Nancy~P... 2012/06/11 01:13:01
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    This is NOT about being gay, it's about whether selective abortion is moral. No one seems to be offended by abortion by sex, race or abnormality. How far does that belief go when, like yourself, you don't find being gay offensive or wrong? I personally find all forms of abortion wrong but the pro-choice people think it's strictly up to the mother, it's her choice. Is this something that you would find moral because the mother finds it undesirable? That's the question that I'm asking.
  • Nancy~P... Gracie ... 2012/06/11 01:18:23
    Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL
    +4
    I find abortion not a form of birth control. We are born into this world to be whatever and circumstnces etc hand us...We are all perfect in God's eye.Just depends on perspectives I suppose
  • Gracie ... Nancy~P... 2012/06/11 01:24:12
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +4
    I totally agree!
  • Nancy~P... Gracie ... 2012/06/11 01:26:51
    Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL
    +1
    So are you finding the answer to this dibacle?
  • Gracie ... Nancy~P... 2012/06/11 01:32:28
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    I believe that the people that would be most affected by this question, won't answer honestly.
  • Nancy~P... Gracie ... 2012/06/11 01:43:52
    Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL
    +1
    probalby not then they aren't worth the time of day. Honesty is a good policy which has become estranged to many
  • Gracie ... Nancy~P... 2012/06/11 01:46:14
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    I try to make it a top principle in my life, I hate lying! I've got several liars in my family and they lie when the truth would better serve them. They lie for no apparent reason and they can never remember what they've lied about so you get many versions of the same lie. It makes me sick!
  • kobidob... Nancy~P... 2012/06/11 02:11:11
    kobidobidog
    +1
    The world needs more humans like you. The harvest will be great with more humans like you for others to behold.
  • kobidob... Nancy~P... 2012/06/11 02:09:17
    kobidobidog
    +1
    You my dear are a peace maker. sexuality names like zoosexual for example mean nothing to you seeing the heart behind the name. Your love is unchanging even as Gods love is unchanging.
  • Nancy~P... kobidob... 2012/06/11 02:16:32
    Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL
    +1
    Gotta' have heart or you are nothing! :-) Stand by your own convictions
  • U-Dog 2012/06/11 00:54:50
    U-Dog
    +5
    Destroying a viable human life will always be an immoral act of barbarism and IMO the only justifications for it are saving the mothers life or saving her from a pregnency forced on her thru rape.
  • Gracie ... U-Dog 2012/06/11 01:13:24
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    Thank you for your rational answer! LOL!
  • Jane U-Dog 2012/06/11 12:12:04
    Jane
    Just curious, if it is OK for rape, why not a fetus that is going to be severely retarded?
  • U-Dog Jane 2012/06/11 13:43:22
    U-Dog
    +1
    In the case of deformity, there was no use of force against the mother and it does not threaten her life. If she does not want the baby after birth she can always do the childish liberal thing and try to pawn her problems off on more moral and responsible people thru putting the infant up for adoption.
  • Jane U-Dog 2012/06/12 03:01:40
    Jane
    LA kings just won the Stanley cup.
  • Balladeer-PWCM-POTL 2012/06/11 00:53:01
    Balladeer-PWCM-POTL
    +4
    Should they find a 'Gay Gene' watch the libs suddenly change their mind about Abortion...they advocate gay acceptance in the rest of us...just not in THEIR household
  • Gracie ... Ballade... 2012/06/11 00:55:48
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    No doubt, I just saw someone say that if only liberals believed in heterosexual marriage like they believe in homosexual marriage. Wouldn't we be in much better shape today?
  • Chi~Cat Ballade... 2012/06/11 01:09:25
    Chi~Cat
    +3
    They would scream~
  • Ballade... Chi~Cat 2012/06/11 02:19:48
    Balladeer-PWCM-POTL
    +2
    they certainly would
  • CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY 2012/06/11 00:48:35
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    +4
    In an immoral anything-goes society with few ethics rules and even less class, like majority progressive communist political areas of the USA (and the world), infanticide would be practiced at an even greater degree than it is now.

    Progressive liberal communists don't need an excuse to participate in wholesale slaughter of the unborn on a grand scale.
  • Gracie ... CUDDLY ... 2012/06/11 00:56:21
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +4
    It's a holocaust if you ask me.
  • thetruth 2012/06/11 00:48:32
    thetruth
    +3
    That's a big "If" Gracie. Knowing there will never be any real substantial scientific data to support being born homosexual, and why you're asking this question, I like how you reverse it on people who believe it's their right to end life, yet support a choice that would cease it all together. Ironic really. Most who support ending life also support those who can't create it. It's all immoral. Abortion of any kind, as well as the choice of sexual perversion.

    I ve noticed those who want abortions are alive

    Blessings ...
  • Gracie ... thetruth 2012/06/11 00:58:40
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    I'm not sure there isn't a genetic component to the desire, the behavior is up to the individual.
  • thetruth Gracie ... 2012/06/11 01:10:45
    thetruth
    +1
    That's just it, you're not sure, thus it's doesn't exist until you are. Behavior, just as with homosexuality is learned, not inherent.
  • Gracie ... thetruth 2012/06/11 01:25:37
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Behavior is controlled but I think we're all born with certain characteristics that shape our personalities and give us certain weaknesses.
  • thetruth Gracie ... 2012/06/11 02:20:17
    thetruth
    Personalty is indicative of behavior, which isn't always controlled, that's why we have prisons, laws, and mental hospitals, and what defines weakness comes down to belief and opinion ... none of which is inherent.

    My friend, we can assume, and ask "what if?" all day, but that doesn't make it so, now does it? ...

    Blessings ...
  • Gracie ... thetruth 2012/06/11 02:28:11
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Without the "what if's" there would be no SodaHead now would there?
  • thetruth Gracie ... 2012/06/11 07:37:49
    thetruth
    Huh? What does SH having what if's have to do with scientific fact? Don't you claim to be a Christian? God's very clear about how we are created Gracie, and how unnatural the homosexual choice is, so don't let people put false notions in your head about maybe so's, and what if's as if there's a mystery that can't be solved, when your faith should be answering all your questions in the first place.
  • kobidob... thetruth 2012/06/11 02:29:16
    kobidobidog
    Sex of whatever kind has been made bad, and war good. The KJV or whatever bible has been used against sex calling it perverted, but when studied one finds out that Blasphemy perverted, perversion, pervert. abomination, and defiled comes out of the mouth. Proverbs 15 4A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
    Proverbs 19 :1Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool. They that lie have perverse lips. Perverse again is not zoo sex or any kind of sex.
    Proverbs 17 :23A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment.
    Proverbs 4 24,Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.
    Being froward is also abominable.
    Proverbs 3, 32For the froward is abomination to the LORD.
    See how the words are connected. Sex is not mentioned at all.
  • thetruth kobidob... 2012/06/19 01:04:02
    thetruth
    But read on ...
  • kobidob... thetruth 2012/06/19 04:52:28 (edited)
  • thetruth kobidob... 2012/06/19 05:52:49 (edited)
    thetruth
    I didn't ask for anything, I simply told you to read on because as you have just further proved my point you don't understand, but now you've asked for it ...

    As to the Scripture(s) you chose to fight your battles with and prove some strange point about sexuality, you're not making a whole lot of sense. Have you ever read the Bible? Do you know what God says about sexual relations? I mean even your running commentary is inconsistent with the actual context of the verse(s) you're speaking about, it's obvious it's about agenda and not the truth of God, and doesn't line up with the over all message of the entire Word of God. I sense a great confusion within you. Yes, I agree that from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly (Mark 7:21-22). And I believe that the good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks (Luke 6:45). But your Bible verses don't prove what you're trying to say is true. Sex was not meant to be casual, or meant to be between just men, or just women, or with animals, and I'm not even sure what you...






























































    I didn't ask for anything, I simply told you to read on because as you have just further proved my point you don't understand, but now you've asked for it ...

    As to the Scripture(s) you chose to fight your battles with and prove some strange point about sexuality, you're not making a whole lot of sense. Have you ever read the Bible? Do you know what God says about sexual relations? I mean even your running commentary is inconsistent with the actual context of the verse(s) you're speaking about, it's obvious it's about agenda and not the truth of God, and doesn't line up with the over all message of the entire Word of God. I sense a great confusion within you. Yes, I agree that from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly (Mark 7:21-22). And I believe that the good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks (Luke 6:45). But your Bible verses don't prove what you're trying to say is true. Sex was not meant to be casual, or meant to be between just men, or just women, or with animals, and I'm not even sure what you mean by "Sex of whatever kind has been made bad, and war good." Whatever kind? Any kind of sex thats not between a man and a woman in the confines of marriage is bad, and is perversion, not sure how you missed that one in your KJV? Sex was meant to be between a man (husband) and a woman (wife) for life, to procreate. And out of a corrupted mind set, perversion of sexual desires was born.

    Are you trying to say that sex of any kind is naturally or truly good? Such as homosexual sex is truly permitted by God, but "man" is the one who condemned it and says it an abomination? That just because the verses you picked didn't mention the word "sex" in them that somehow there truly isn't any real sexual perversion? That the Bible doesn't speak against sexual immorality, that it's a man made idea that it's immoral? You are greatly adding to the context of the Scriptures you posted, and don't understand Scripture if that's the case. My friend I beg you to read the whole Bible in context and not to cherry pick the ones that suit your purpose and version of Christianity. God Himself speaks against all kinds of sexual activity, and calls it perversion.


    How about explaining away these Bible verses then?

    Romans 1:26-27
    26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

    1 Corinthians 5:1-5
    5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

    1 Corinthians 5:9-13
    9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10
    9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    1 Corinthians 6:13
    “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food”—but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

    1 Corinthians 6:18
    Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

    Galatians 5:19-21
    19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    Ephesians 5:3
    But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.

    Colossians 3:5
    Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.

    1 Thessalonians 4:3-6
    3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; 6 and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you.

    Hebrews 12:16
    See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.

    Hebrews 13:4
    Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. NOT homsexual marriage either, that would fall under the "sexual immoral" part of that verse.

    Jude 1:7
    In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. Guess what the big sexual sin was there? Homosexuality.

    Pretty much the entire Law of Moses speaks against homosexuality, beastiality, sexual relations between close family members, and gives a very detailed list FROM GOD on the do's and don't of having sex, and God, NOT man, calls these things an abomination worthy of death, but lets just take one verse from the Old Testament that God commanded shall we?

    Leviticus 18:22
    “‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

    How about two from the Old Testament?

    Leviticus 20:13
    “‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."


    There's more verses I could us to debunk what you're saying, so should I keep going? ... What now? Do you believe God's Word or your imagination concerning sex?

    Are you gay? ... Only that would explain the things you say on this thread and say "get the gay from out under the microscope." As if sexual perversion isn't in the Bible to not do such things, and perfectly normal to have "sex of any kind."

    Like I said, READ ON ...

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  • Cognito22 thetruth 2012/06/14 02:00:34
    Cognito22
    Male Homosexuality Study: Gay Men Have Evolutionary Benefit For Their Families, New Research Suggests

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
  • thetruth Cognito22 2012/06/19 01:10:42
    thetruth
    What your link "suggests" (key word) is a theory my friend, an unproved assumption, not a scientific or biological fact that would contradict everything we know to be true about the natural tendency to be attracted to the opposite sex. But I do enjoy science fiction.
  • Republican Ladder 2012/06/11 00:43:40
    Republican Ladder
    +2
    They have. its called the abluta ablangata gland in the back of the neck. the exploration understanding they dicovered lead to better understanding why they couldnt seperate sex and life.

    legal advisory always advice "you cant have all day long tho you can have straight convesation everyvwaking momment.

    better understood if ur recycle the waisted discusion.
  • Doc Republi... 2012/06/13 23:06:05
    Doc
    Do you mean the medulla oblongata?
  • Kane Fernau 2012/06/11 00:42:28
    Kane Fernau
    +1
    They would have to be aborted.
  • Gracie ... Kane Fe... 2012/06/11 01:00:10
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    I'd still be against it, that shows how pro-life I am! LOL!

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