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What if scientists found a "gay gene"...

Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/06/11 00:27:49
and the mother could tell that her unborn baby would in fact be gay, would aborting that baby be moral? It seems that anyone that is pro-choice is indifferent to the reasons for abortion and defend it under any circumstances. I find eugenics inherently evil and amoral.

This isn't about gay bashing, this is a moral question.
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  • Birthpangs 2012/06/16 12:53:56
  • Shayes Birthpangs 2012/07/03 16:17:03
    Shayes
    +1
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  • Birthpangs Shayes 2012/07/03 21:29:01
  • Shayes 2012/06/14 16:36:08
    Shayes
    +1
    A part of me would want to abort the baby and send him or her right back to heaven then to have him or her possibly spend all of eternity in hell. The other part would let it live and I would do my best to raise him or her up with godly male and female role models.
  • Cognito22 2012/06/14 01:51:03
    Cognito22
    +1
    For those who want to argue against the possibility of the premise, please read this first.

    Male Homosexuality Study: Gay Men Have Evolutionary Benefit For Their Families, New Research Suggests

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
  • Gracie ... Cognito22 2012/06/14 02:23:51
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    I also heard a study similar to this that said the more males a mother had the higher chance of a younger son being gay. Interesting!
  • Cognito22 Gracie ... 2012/06/14 11:46:10
    Cognito22
    +1
    I thought you might want to add the link to your post since some people were arguing against the premise rather than answering the question.
  • Gracie ... Cognito22 2012/06/14 21:06:32
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    They had to argue the premise because they couldn't answer the question. Thanks for the link, I'm going to check out the original study if I can find it.
  • doofiegirl POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/13 19:06:58 (edited)
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    And a darned good one! You Do realize this is Not going to make some people very happy, don't you? . They might actually have Think about this!I personally would Not abort the baby------- but then I wouldn't abort any baby!
  • Doc 2012/06/13 18:55:01
    Doc
    +1
    What's really ironic is that even though a lot of folks on the left call us gay-bashing homopobics, I doubt any of us pro-lifers would consider that a good reason to abort a child.
  • Gracie ... Doc 2012/06/13 21:38:59
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    Isn't this a very provocative question, Doc? LOL! It's been the consensus that none of the pro-lifers would consider it a reason to abort a baby. The left just dances around it.
  • Doc Gracie ... 2012/06/13 23:01:56
    Doc
    +1
    Tee hee!

    I think it's a great question! I like the genesis of it, too.
  • Doc Gracie ... 2012/06/13 23:18:50
    Doc
    +1
    II did some checking, and you are right about the dance.
  • potlatch 2012/06/13 01:52:45
    potlatch
    +1
    Oh, they'll claim to before long. Don't think they've found the MONOGAMY gene yet though. No abortions though, even if abnormal.
  • blissful 2012/06/12 06:58:54
    blissful
    +1
    Well I guess they would have to deal with it when that time comes..
  • boots 2012/06/12 02:03:23
    boots
    I am pro-choice and have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body.
  • Gracie ... boots 2012/06/12 02:06:49
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Why not, what about the unborn baby? It's an individual life also. It has it's own DNA.
  • boots Gracie ... 2012/06/12 02:11:08
    boots
    Not my body not my choice.
    A fetus is not a baby till it is born.
  • Gracie ... boots 2012/06/12 02:15:27
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    That's the most ridiculous statement EVER!
  • Scott boots 2012/06/12 14:16:29
    Scott
    +1
    Well, aren't you humanitarian of the year.

    Every aspect of the baies genetic definition of who she is for now and always - - the color of her eyes, her hair, how tall she will grow to be - - was present at the moment of fertilization. It's not determined at birth.

    Human beings reproduce with the female pregnancy. It's a temporary and necessary condition to sustain the species. Your arbitrary decree that this inconvenient temporary condition of the mother somehow trumps the childs right to exist is ludicrous. This kind of reasoning threatens everyone's right to life. Determining who lives and dies becomes completely arbitrary.
  • Gracie ... Scott 2012/06/12 14:24:17
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Too bad we can't identify the "stupid gene"!
  • Doc boots 2012/06/13 18:53:28
    Doc
    +1
    You might not think it's a person, but it's sure human, right?
  • texasred 2012/06/12 01:28:52
    texasred
    +2
    Just as moral as aborting a girl because she's not a boy or aborting a child because it has Down's Syndrome. Which.... in my estimation... is not moral at all.
  • biggerman 2012/06/11 22:59:39
    biggerman
    What is the point? This is hypothetical. Debating such a question is an exercise in futility. There is no "gay gene" - don't concern yourselves with it. There are a relative few who have their wires crossed due to a birth defect of some kind but most queers are queers by choice and their homo-eroticism is learned behavior. The more our culture promotes it, the more our children will learn to engage in it. Queers are not born sick, they become sick.
  • texasred biggerman 2012/06/12 01:29:32
    texasred
    +2
    Are you sure? I'm not sure we know this for a fact.
  • biggerman texasred 2012/06/12 03:37:35
    biggerman
    +1
    We don't even want to go there. Pretty soon, modern science will try to say that there is a murder gene, a lying gene, a nympho gene, a anger gene - look, we are all corrupt in someway but it has nothing to do with genetics. It is a matter of sin.
  • texasred biggerman 2012/06/13 01:12:12
    texasred
    +2
    Well.... I'm not sure I can argue that one with you. You see families with 5 kids and 4 turn out well, while 1 turns out to be bad. It's not environment, obviously. But they should all have the same genes. So maybe it is just a matter of sin.
  • Christopher101 2012/06/11 22:29:52 (edited)
    Christopher101
    +1
    Ohhh good question. Well obviously it wouldn't be moral, however that's her decision. I'd rather live in a society that offers safe abortions as a last resort while pushing contraception than a society who tries to deny/dictate women's rights. The sad truth is that nations that restrict these rights only lead to more harms/deaths when their citizens do it illegally. Even thinking about it logistically how would you force someone to not self harm?
  • Gracie ... Christo... 2012/06/12 00:21:40
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    To me it sounds like you listen to liberal talking points. What nations are you talking about, surely not the US. Do you really think if a woman had an illegal abortion today they'd still use a coathanger? Are you counting the lives of the unborn or only the women who would die having an illegal abortion? All this fake "war on women" is just a gimmick to get women's votes.
  • Christo... Gracie ... 2012/06/12 05:20:04 (edited)
    Christopher101
    Liberal talking points like statistics/facts? Instead of assuming things to be true, why not go do the research? Simply look up any given number of countries statistics as shown by CDC, World Health Organization, National Health Org, Alan Guttmach Institute, Demographic and Health Surveys, Hospitalization Complications Method, International Conference on Population and Development (ICPD),Five-year Review and Appraisal of the Programme of Implementation of the
    International Conference on Population and Development, RAMOS, UNFPA United Nations Population Fund, UNICEF- United Nations Children’s Fund,
    UNPD United Nations Population Division etc and compare it to the US abortion rate. Netherlands 7 out of 1000 abortions, Germany 16, France 20 USA-44 out of 1000.

    As for illegal abortions the stereotypical coat hanger in a alley isn't the only/preferred way. There are metal rods, blunt objects, an accidental fall, chemically induced abortions/pills, poisonous herbs (not sure how valid), and the most obvious one is doctors/"doctors" who no longer have a license who break the law.They simply continue what they were doing under the table. There's also the case of women going over the state border to more liberal states or groups like in the 60s-70s that set up home visits like "Alice" e...



    Liberal talking points like statistics/facts? Instead of assuming things to be true, why not go do the research? Simply look up any given number of countries statistics as shown by CDC, World Health Organization, National Health Org, Alan Guttmach Institute, Demographic and Health Surveys, Hospitalization Complications Method, International Conference on Population and Development (ICPD),Five-year Review and Appraisal of the Programme of Implementation of the
    International Conference on Population and Development, RAMOS, UNFPA United Nations Population Fund, UNICEF- United Nations Children’s Fund,
    UNPD United Nations Population Division etc and compare it to the US abortion rate. Netherlands 7 out of 1000 abortions, Germany 16, France 20 USA-44 out of 1000.

    As for illegal abortions the stereotypical coat hanger in a alley isn't the only/preferred way. There are metal rods, blunt objects, an accidental fall, chemically induced abortions/pills, poisonous herbs (not sure how valid), and the most obvious one is doctors/"doctors" who no longer have a license who break the law.They simply continue what they were doing under the table. There's also the case of women going over the state border to more liberal states or groups like in the 60s-70s that set up home visits like "Alice" etc etc.

    As for deaths no, it was only the mortality rate of the persons having the abortion.

    Lastly this "fake" "war on women" is a bit subjective. In the past year congress (103rd) has tried to push 430 women's healthcare/abortion restriction laws in 2011 even despite abortion being legal. 430!!! 86 state laws as opposed to the 23 the year before. Because they can't down right make it illegal, they will do everything in their power to circumvent the law and make it as uncomfortable/drawn out as possible. Transvaginal ultrasounds, no longer allowing private insurance plans to cover the procedure, States trying to dictate plan parenting's funding (which is federal mandated) etc. All i'm asking for is some common sense. Yes I get it you don't like the current abortion law, that doesn't mean try to be sly and claim a "transvaginal" ultrasound is for health reasons. It's simply ill intention.
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  • Gracie ... Christo... 2012/06/12 14:09:37
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    First, you can't have facts and statistics for things that don't actually exist. You're making assumptions and allegations and not talking a bit about factual statistics. You don't have an equal comparison between a US with legal abortion and then one without during the same time period. You made an assumption that if you made abortion illegal all of a sudden women would start dying. You have no such fact.

    Then you want to compare third world countries and their health conditions to countries more economically and technologically advanced? Taxpayers should not be paying for Planned Parenthood's abortion mill. It's nothing but black genocide. Let me give you one little fact that has been left out of that "transvaginal ultrasound" outrage. That's what they do the majority of the time BEFORE the abortion to determine fetal age. No outrage there, huh? You have to be told of some God awful complications before regular surgery, you have to have multiple testing done also, so to actually have to know you're killing a real baby, not a blob of tissue, you should have to see what it actually looks like.

    I also have one more requirement...before you're FOR abortion, you should have to go see what it actually looks like. Then you should have to actually talk to women years after they've had one and determine what kind of psychological effects it has had on them. We never want to look at the aftermath of a "good intention".
  • texasred Christo... 2012/06/12 01:30:51
    texasred
    +2
    While I don't agree with the gay lifestyle, I would never, ever consider aborting a fetus because it wasn't what I, or others, considered "perfect."
  • Christo... texasred 2012/06/12 05:21:55
    Christopher101
    +2
    I agree, I would never abort a fetus for two reasons. I don't care if he/she's homosexual nor can I give birth. If I could though, that wouldn't be a valid reason.
  • Merry☆ 2012/06/11 19:12:26
    Merry☆
    +1
    I don't advocate for either, but it's really none of my business why someone else chooses to get an abortion.
  • Gracie ... Merry☆ 2012/06/11 21:12:42
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    You wouldn't advocate for life?
  • Merry☆ Gracie ... 2012/06/11 21:32:07
    Merry☆
    +1
    I said I don't advocate for abortion.
  • Gracie ... Merry☆ 2012/06/13 23:31:36
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    Would that be like people who sat back and watched slavery happen because it wasn't any of their business?
  • FRED 2012/06/11 18:55:35
    FRED
    Moral would be aborting religion and keeping my gay baby. cher and her baby
  • texasred FRED 2012/06/12 01:31:54
    texasred
    +2
    Sad.... you are a sad person.
  • Gracie ... texasred 2012/06/12 01:49:44
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    Yes he is.
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