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What if President Bush had done that?

Elaine October 31, 2009 02:57:53

What if Bush had done this?
(Wasn't it something even less significant that Newt had done in the 80's that hurt his career permanently? Do you remember what terrible thing it was Newt did? I think it was taking a speaking fee that he donated to a charity, correct?)
But Obama gets by with
Disgracing us by apologizing to global terrorists and. . .
Josh Gerstein Josh Gerstein – Tue Oct 27, 6:02 am ET
A four-hour stop in New Orleans, on his way to a $3 million fundraiser.
Snubbing the Dalai Lama.
Signing off on a secret deal with drug makers.
Freezing out a TV network.
Doing more fundraisers than the last president. More golf, too.
President Barack Obama has done all of those things — and more.
What’s remarkable is what hasn’t happened. These episodes haven’t become metaphors for Obama’s personal and political character — or consuming controversies that sidetracked the rest of his agenda.
It’s a sign that the media’s echo chamber can be a funny thing, prone to the vagaries of news judgment, and an illustration that, in politics, context is everything.
Conservatives look on with a mix of indignation and amazement and ask: Imagine the fuss if George W. Bush had done these things?
And quickly add, with a hint of jealousy: How does Obama get away with it?
“We have a joke about it. We’re going to start a website: IfBushHadDoneThat.com,” former Bush counselor Ed Gillespie said. “The watchdogs are curled up around his feet, sleeping soundly. ... There are countless examples: some silly, some serious.”
Indeed, Bush got grief for secret meetings with the oil industry, politicizing the White House and spending too much time on his beloved bike. But it’s not just Republicans who notice. Media observers note that the president often gets kid-glove treatment from the press, fellow Democrats and, particularly, interest groups on the left — Bush’s loudest critics, Obama’s biggest backers.
But others say there’s a larger phenomenon at work — in the story line the media wrote about Obama’s presidency. For Bush, the theme was that of a Big Business Republican who rode the family name to the White House, so stories about secret energy meetings and a certain laziness, intellectual and otherwise, fit neatly into the theme, to be replayed over and over again.
Obama’s story line was more positive from the start: historic newcomer coming to shake up Washington. So the negatives that sprung up around Obama — like a sense that he was more flash than substance — track what negative coverage he’s received, captured in a recent “Saturday Night Live” skit that made fun of his lack of accomplishments in office.
“There may well be almost an unconscious effort on the part of the media to give Obama a bit more slack because he is more likable, because he is the first African-American president. That plays into it,” said Sherry Bebitch Jeffe, a political analyst at the University of Southern California.
Democrats find the complaints of Obama “getting a pass” hard to stomach in light of the way the press treated Bush — particularly on the single biggest mistake of his presidency, relying on the faulty intelligence leading up to the war in Iraq. Now, Obama’s aides say, the positive coverage simply reflects the fact that their efforts are succeeding.
“As our administration makes progress on the agenda that Washington has ignored for too long, we expect we’ll get some news coverage of that progress that we like and some tough coverage that we don’t,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest said. “It’s not unlike the New Orleans Saints, who are getting lots of good coverage of their perfect record so far — certainly better coverage than the [2-5] Redskins — but it doesn’t mean the Saints have liked every story that’s been written about them since training camp. It goes with the territory.”
There are signs the friendly tone toward Obama is ebbing. Case in point: a front-page story in The New York Times noting that Obama’s all-male basketball games drew fire from the head of the National Organization for Women, who called the games “troubling.”
But here are other stories in which Obama seems to have gotten a pass:
New Orleans
As a candidate, Obama railed against the Bush administration for abandoning and then neglecting the people of New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina. He made five campaign trips to the city.
But as president, Obama waited almost nine months before visiting the Big Easy, spent less than four hours on the ground there and then jetted to San Francisco for a $3 million Democratic fundraiser.
“Don’t judge anybody on the amount of time that they’ve spent there. Judge only what this administration promised that they would do, what they’ve done every day and what they’re continuing to work on,” press secretary Robert Gibbs said, pointing to positive reviews of the federal government’s efforts under Obama.
For their part, Democrats can’t see how Bush officials can muster much umbrage over anything related to New Orleans, given how the Republican administration handled the initial response to Katrina.
Managing the press
When the Obama administration moved in recent weeks to isolate and disparage Fox News as a wing of the Republican Party, there were few immediate howls of outrage — even from Fox’s fellow journalists in the media.
Press defenders and First Amendment advocates who jumped on the Bush administration for using military analysts to shape war coverage reacted with a yawn to the White House’s announcement that it had deemed Fox to be not a “legitimate news organization.”
“Had I said about MSNBC what the Obama White House said about Fox, the media uproar would still be going on,” said Ari Fleischer, who served as Bush’s press secretary until 2003. “I instinctively would have known ... the media would have leapt to their feet to defend them. I’m shocked it’s not happening now.”
One press veteran agreed. “If George Bush had taken on MSNBC, what would have happened?” said Phil Bronstein, editor-at-large of the San Francisco Chronicle. “That’s one place you can point to a real difference in how I’d imagine Bush would be treated.”
Politicizing the White House
Throughout the Bush administration, liberal critics warned that the hand of Bush political adviser Karl Rove was spreading politics into all corners of government. Reporters were on alert for any sign that politics was infecting the work of federal agencies. One top appointee got in hot water for allegedly asking agency officials to work to “help our candidates” across the country.
So some Bush aides went nearly apoplectic earlier this month when they spotted Gibbs and Obama’s political guru, David Axelrod, in photos of a Situation Room meeting on Afghanistan policy.
“Oh, the howling and screaming that would have happened if Karl Rove was sitting in on even a deputies-level meeting where strategy was being hammered out. People would have just gone ballistic,” said Peter Feaver, a former White House aide for both Bush and Bill Clinton.
Also, in about nine months, Obama has already attended more than two dozen fundraising events, while Bush did only six in his first year in office, according to a tally by CBS’s Mark Knoller.
Gibbs said Obama had to do more to raise a similar amount of money, since the kinds of soft-money fundraisers Bush did early on were banned. “This president ... doesn’t accept money from PACs or lobbyists and doesn’t allow lobbyists to give at fundraisers that he’s at, as well,” Gibbs added.
Dealing with business, in secret
Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney endured years of criticism and lawsuits that stretched all the way to the Supreme Court over secret meetings Cheney’s Energy Task Force held with oil and gas companies. When the policy emerged, critics said Cheney was carrying water for the industry.
Obama pledged to hash out health care reform live on C-SPAN and excoriated Bush for kowtowing to the drug industry. But aides signed off on the drug industry’s agreement to find $80 billion in savings to support reform. However, Obama aides didn’t disclose that the agreement involved the White House promising that current health legislation wouldn’t include further cuts or give the government the right to negotiate over drug prices.
Toning down human rights
During the campaign, Obama talked tough on China. While candidate Obama pushed Bush to take a hard line, President Obama hasn’t. Hoping to win China’s help on Iran and North Korea, Obama skipped a meeting with the Dalai Lama and said little when China undertook a violent crackdown in its largely Muslim Xinjiang region. The White House has pledged to meet with the Dalai Lama later.
And while candidate Obama warned Bush against a “reckless and cynical initiative [that] would reward a regime in Khartoum that has a record of failing to live up to its commitments,” President Obama’s envoy to Sudan, Scott Gration, seemed to lay out a similar incentive-driven approach.
“We’ve got to think about giving out cookies,” said Gration. “Kids, countries — they react to gold stars, smiley faces, handshakes, agreements, talk, engagement.” The White House backed away from Gration’s characterization of the strategy but did recently lay out a strategy of engaging with the Sudanese regime.
Traveling and recreating
In his campaign and as president, Bush was mocked for a lack of interest in all things foreign — seven minutes touring the Kremlin, 25 minutes at the Great Wall of China, before declaring, “Let’s go home.”
During a trip to Europe in June, Obama chastised German and French reporters for suggesting that he was snubbing those countries by making only brief stops in each. “There are only 24 hours in the day. And so there’s nothing to any of that speculation beyond us just trying to fit in what we could do on such a short trip,” he told reporters in Germany.
But after taking his wife out for an attention-grabbing date night, Obama promptly jetted back to Washington. Within about 90 minutes of arriving at the White House, the tightly scheduled president was on the move again — headed to Andrews Air Force Base to play nine holes of golf.
He's simply impenetrable, end of story.
George W would have been chastised by the liberal media and hung out to dry.
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  • +5 raves moomoof "Jin Kazama!" November 02, 2009 19:59:39
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    Bush did this lead us to two failing wars that killed our own and innocent people that didn't do anything to us.

    Did you forget the recession that we are in was caused by the fact that bush did nothing to prevent it or fix the problem he just let it slide on the next person's plate.

    This two of many things he has done and none of the right wing nutbars have said anything about it.
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  • Bear November 05, 2009 10:41:05 (edited)
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    Who cares? Meet the new boss, same as the old boss....

    careseet boss boss
    careseet boss boss
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    ptete in left I trust November 04, 2009 20:50:11
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    Bush has done far worse. Top of the list I can think of would be dropping the ball in Afghanistan to invade the wrong country. Next would be mismanaging that war, and committing war crimes.

    I could go on - but I have other things that are calling
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    concerned November 03, 2009 18:26:45
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    Then all these republicans can get a MOP and hlep clean up the mess
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    + November 03, 2009 17:44:53
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    Ah, politics.
    Don't you just love it?
    Happy Election Day...and remember....
    vote early...and often.

    ah politics love happy election remember



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    sue November 03, 2009 08:33:38
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    I think people forget that the media gave Bush pretty much a one-year no criticism period after 9/11-- just when we needed them to pay attention most.
  • ɟʇʇoɔs November 03, 2009 08:16:57
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    George W would have been chastised by the liberal media and hung out to dry.

    He would have gotten the royal what-for
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    unclepat November 02, 2009 22:29:47
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    WHAT IF BUS HADN'T DONE THIS?
    1.Told the rest of the world to go to hell while starting an unjust war that would result in the MURDER of 4,600 troops.
    2.Took 4 days to respond to, as POTUS, the destuction wrought by hurricane Katrina.
    3.Snubbed the Congressional Black Caucus.
    4.Signed of along with DICK a secret energy policy that benefitted "BIG OIL".
    5.Froze out a TV network.( NBC/MSNBC)
    6.Spent more time on vacation then at the White House. (more vacation time than any other POTUS in recent history).
    7. Surely you can come up with something better than a complaint of GIRLS not being allowed to play basketball with the GUYS. How many women you know will take a charge from O's personal assistant knowing he weighs close to 260 lbs? Hell, I'd have a problem with that too.
    8.Allowed DICK and co. to OUT CIA agent Valerie Plame.
    9.Had half the prosecutors fired for not being on the same idealogical page.
    10.Hadn't hired Alberto Gonzalez.
    11. Hadn't nominated big business/corporate lover John G. Roberts to the Supreme court.
    11.Closed Gitmo when he first brought it up. Nobody had problems with terrorists on our shores in Supermax facilities then.
    12.Taken his wife out on a dat........nevermind, he never did. No romance in the Bush household I guess!!
  • +2 raves
    WILLY unclepat November 02, 2009 23:17:48
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    What you said..AND A MOUTHFUL AT THAT...Thanks
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    iTonks November 02, 2009 21:21:38
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  • Caroline - fan of Audubon November 02, 2009 21:02:56
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    Could you cite all your sources to avoid plagiarizing?
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    motowndem November 02, 2009 20:33:50
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    What a garbled mess of a post. Example: "Freezing out a TV network". When did Faux News go off the air?
    garbled mess post freezing tv network faux news air
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    moomoof "Jin Kazama!" November 02, 2009 19:59:39
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    Bush did this lead us to two failing wars that killed our own and innocent people that didn't do anything to us.

    Did you forget the recession that we are in was caused by the fact that bush did nothing to prevent it or fix the problem he just let it slide on the next person's plate.

    This two of many things he has done and none of the right wing nutbars have said anything about it.
  • Bear moomoof... November 05, 2009 10:39:00
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    Obie isn't stopping them.

    Name ONE pol that ever started a good war that wasn't for the benefit of the bankers.
  • moomoof... Bear November 05, 2009 16:57:45
    moomoof
    None but Bush started an illegal war and enter these wars without any plans to get out just to make his war friend profit

    Obama is his name learn it spell it right =D

    So you think the wars are wrong now because obama is in office?

    What is your problem with war?

    He is trying to end it he moved most of the iraq troops out of the cities
    As for afganistan he has to see what is best without causing anymore harm to our troops or the civilians
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    Sassy22 November 02, 2009 19:03:41
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    George W would have been chastised by the liberal media and hung out to dry.

    No doubt about it!! Great post Elaine! Now, what can we do?? Also, WTH is he doing Campaigning for fellow Dems. while Soldier's are getting killed and other extremely important matters and decisions need to be acted on and made??!!!!

    I'm sharing a fellow SH's blog, because I feel this could be a starting point to raise awareness and get someone to begin impeachment proceedings. Please share with all SH's and everyone in your e-mail address. I sent it to everyone on my e-mail telling them to pass it along, even if they don't watch or read it.
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
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    ~ǝɯ ǝʇıq ʇsnſ~ November 02, 2009 12:59:19 (edited)
    ~ǝɯ ǝʇıq ʇsnſ~

    George W would have been chastised by the liberal media and hung out to dry.

    GWB got hung out to dry for everything that he did and didn't do... They would never do that to their Messiah...

    george chastised liberal media hung dry gwb hung dry
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    Marie November 02, 2009 12:45:49
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    George W would have been chastised by the liberal media and hung out to dry.

    Great post!
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    puıƜ ʇɥƃıᴚ November 02, 2009 12:30:25
    puıƜ ʇɥƃıᴚ

    George W would have been chastised by the liberal media and hung out to dry.

    This is brought to you by the elitists racists of the Left! Nothing new!
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    Marlow ~ Let There Be Light November 02, 2009 12:22:59
    Marlow ~ Let There Be Light

    George W would have been chastised by the liberal media and hung out to dry.

    The media hypocrisy is unbelievable. I'm not sure i can call this a free press any longer.
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    DADDYFATS November 02, 2009 07:02:15 (edited)
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    George W would have been chastised by the liberal media and hung out to dry.

    I believe Newts problem was a woman and she was not his wife .george chastised liberal media hung dry
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    Nick Name DADDYFATS November 03, 2009 08:12:21
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    Newt's REAL 'Real Change' - don't get caught next time.
  • DADDYFATS Nick Name November 03, 2009 21:04:32
    DADDYFATS
    LOL
  • Elaine DADDYFATS November 16, 2009 10:11:33
    Elaine
    No, that wasn't it. He took payment for a speaking gig while he was speaker I believe and they wanted to tar and feather him. While Mr. Present up there gets how much for keeps for his undeserved Nobel Peace Prize? Has written how many books? Anything this Obama battleship does is impenetrable.
  • DADDYFATS Elaine November 16, 2009 20:59:39
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    thank you
  • Elaine DADDYFATS November 16, 2009 10:18:29
    Elaine
    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITIC...
    It sure seems to me that he accepted a payment for a speaking gig which he was going to donate to some charity, but he wasn't supposed to accept any payment while he was Speaker. Now reading this, it appears that wasn't it, but they lost seats in the House and he felt responsible and quit. Weird, I can't think of Newt as a quitter.
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    Deni ♥ Fishy American Patri... November 02, 2009 06:38:23
    Deni ♥ Fishy American Patriot ♥

    George W would have been chastised by the liberal media and hung out to dry.

    remember the whole ordeal about Bush golfing when our family members were fighting over in Iraq?? what did he do?? He never golfed again!!! yet we have the highest causality numbers in Afghanistan right now and where is obama? Golfing!!!

    members fighting iraq golfed highest causality numbers afghanistan obama golfing

    oh and Photo Ops courtesy of our fallen brothers and sisters!!!
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    Bear Deni ♥ ... November 02, 2009 12:24:44
    Bear
    Or playin' bassabaw....
    playin bassabaw


  • Deni ♥ ... Bear November 02, 2009 21:33:18
    Deni ♥ Fishy American Patriot ♥
    LOL, let's not forget bowling:
    lol forget bowling
    notice how he always has to have an audience cheering him on?? the man is a narcissus who needs the adoration 24/7
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    unclepat Deni ♥ ... November 02, 2009 22:32:23
    unclepat
    You include a oicture from the campaign and try to pass it off as recent history?? Please.
  • Deni ♥ ... unclepat November 02, 2009 23:18:50 (edited)
    Deni ♥ Fishy American Patriot ♥
    I'm sure he's used it since and if not him, he's selling time for the use of it. . . what's happening with the money????? The money should go towards the deficit being the bowling ally and oval office belong to the tax payers:

    High-dollar fundraisers were promised access to senior White House officials in exchange for pledges to donate $30,400 personally or to bundle $300,000 in contributions ahead of the 2010 midterm elections, according to internal Democratic National Committee documents. Those meetings have occurred away from the White House, and so would not be chronicled in the documents released Friday.

    Also not among the records were those showing how many of Mr. Obama's top fundraisers - "bundlers" who collected six-figure sums for the president's campaign - visited, despite a request submitted by The Times on Sept. 30. The White House said that request was processed Oct. 1, thus would not be released until next month.

    But top donors interviewed over the past several weeks have described visits to the White House, including one who said he was allowed a birthday visit to the Oval Office. Another was permitted use of a White House-complex bowling alley for his family. Bundlers closest to the president were invited to watch a movie in the red-walled theater in the basement of the presidential mansion.
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    Nick Name Deni ♥ ... November 03, 2009 08:14:21 (edited)
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    How dare the Pres. have people like him! We must stop his popularity by whining about it.
    ( and frankly, it might be better if he doesn't try bowling again )
  • Deni ♥ ... Nick Name November 03, 2009 19:29:01
    Deni ♥ Fishy American Patriot ♥
    I have no issue with "visitors" but I do take issue when he's charging them and pocketing the tax payers money for the tax payers White House to further his agenda's.
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    unclepat Deni ♥ ... November 03, 2009 22:11:48
    unclepat
    Honey, they ALL do it. So lets not pick and choose one person out of the bunch. If you're gonna gripe at least include all of the presidents, past and present. Everyone knows that you pay for access. Nobody seemed to have problems with previous record setting fundraisers and bundlers alike (of course they were republicans). But all of a sudden Obama uses the internet in a way it's never been used before and now everyones beefing about the amount of money involved. Lemme tell you something, this way of raising dollars now won't ever stop. Why would it?? When someone who is considered a viable candidate from your party comes along and then uses the same resources provided to him or her to make mega millions, I hope to see the same type of comments. Then I'll believe in your sincerity about campaign finance reform.
  • Deni ♥ ... unclepat November 03, 2009 22:47:36 (edited)
    Deni ♥ Fishy American Patriot ♥
    first of all, I have not "party"! secondly the politics of yesterday and today are completely out of hand. . . why are we paying for campaign funds for "any" politician via a trip and day of luxury in the White house?? any money collected for a day at the white house needs to go to the tax payer, not political payoffs securing anything for any politician. I am fed up with all of it, sorry you're so accepting of this type of behavior. . . when will you people be just as ticked when our property and money is being so misused? People are unemployed, families are going without and many are now homeless, while money continues to change hands using "our" (the tax payer) property as the "incentive" for those dollars? ENOUGH ALREADY!!!! FREAKING POLITICIANS "DO YOU'RE JOB" and quit playing these stupid games at our expense!
  • Deni ♥ ... unclepat November 03, 2009 22:50:09
    Deni ♥ Fishy American Patriot ♥
    Just to add to my comment. . . just because "They ALL Do It" makes it right??????
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    Nick Name Deni ♥ ... November 04, 2009 02:30:04
    Nick Name
    What? Obama charges people to visit the White House? I'm not sure I understand.
    Are you saying he charges for certain events and then puts the money to use for certain causes?
  • ptete i... Nick Name November 04, 2009 20:46:43
    ptete in left I trust
    I think that is called "fundraising" LOL
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    Nick Name ptete i... November 04, 2009 20:57:31
    Nick Name
    Are you sure? That doesn't even sound illegal.
  • ptete i... Nick Name November 05, 2009 01:11:56
    ptete in left I trust
    damn! we'll have to manufacture something so that the RWNJs can complain
  • Deni ♥ ... Nick Name November 05, 2009 02:02:13
    Deni ♥ Fishy American Patriot ♥
    here is some reading material for you and your little friend. . . I'm not doing your research for you. . .go educate yourself

    remember the promise of no lobbyists??
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/1...

    http://www.washingtonexaminer...

    google the white house visitors list and open your eyes! I'm done with you people.
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