What IF Iran Did Get a Nuclear Weapon?
sodabox
2012/05/03 01:03:55
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I think if they get too close to making a nuke you will find a tragic accident will happen at their nuclear facilities. Its funny how these things happen. lol
Besides the best they probably could come up with at the beginning would be a tactical nuke maybe 10 or 20 kilotons. Just large enough to vaporize a grid square (1 square kilometer)
they are doing exactly what we did, what India did and what Pakistan did to go nuclear.
the faster route would be to go to weapons grade U235 and figure out some way to smuggle them into Israel. via suicide passenger planes, or assemble them from pieces in several places.
U bombs are so simple, no testing is necessary. We didn't test the U bomb we dropped on Hiroshima. the limiting factor is obtaining the highly enriched U235, which the Iranians seem to be making apace.
there's nothing tactical about those weapons. by design, they will be big. max yield is somewhat less than 20 kt. plenty big enough, especially if they have them assembled in different parts of Israel, to do major damage.
i suspect that when the Israelis get wind of 70-100% enriched U of more than 100 pounds, they'll attack. i suspect with one or more hydrogen bombs.
I agree with most of what you say but in my view Israel is not that stupid to nuke the Iranian plants as the international backlash against them would be massive. Its far easier for the plant to have one of those mysterious accidents.
When I was in the Army(Canadian) I was attached to an artillery unit and we used M109A1 155mm howitzers. They were capable of firing a charge 8 rocket assisted 10kt nuclear warhead to a distance of 18 km. These were tactical nukes So in my view a 10 or 20 kt nuke today is tactical.
Reference a suitcase bomb. They can do that now but as you say its the quality of the uranium. Any high school kid with a C in science could probably build one. (Or at least your basic dirty bomb).
they had enough Pu for a test shot and one weapon drop. they had enough high enriched U for one weapon. The choice which to use was pretty limited. Hiroshima got the U bomb, first, in case the Pu design failed its first weapons drop.
good for us that both worked because we were months away from any second drop.
backlash or not, Israel may be forced to go nuclear once Iran becomes a clear AND present danger. killing off their nuclear scientists doesn't seem to be getting the message across to the mullahs.
A DAVY CROCKETT? holy moley!!! how old are you?
those small weapons were highly boosted, highly engineered Pu weapons. THOSE were definitely tactical. for that same 15 kt of BOOM that Iran would probably get, the Israelis will bring 400kt (or higher) thermonuclear bombs.
just like an Iranian to bring A bombs to an H bomb fight.
i hear you. 100 pounds of highly enriched U, in two machined halves, shot down from two ends of an enclosed cannon, would be enough. i've heard people talking about dropping a piece down an elevator shaft, onto another, in a PVC tube as viable, although, the BOOM would probably limit to 5-7 kt, so it might constitute a NK style fizzle...
I was talking about an M109A1 self-propelled Artillery gun with a 155mm Howitzer. Canada used them all the way into the mid 1980's.
Just so you know were I stand. Dropping the bombs on Japan was the best move possible at the time as it saved 100's of thousands of lives. They also did two drops just to let the Japanese know it wasn't a one off, that they had more. (Even though they only had the two at the time).
I guess we will have to wait and see who does what first. I will say if Iran pulls anything that country is going to cease to exist permanently.
i always wanted to ask one of those Davy Crockett artillerymen if they understood they were in the blast/fallout zone when the ordnance went off.
or, if they were ordered to pull the lanyard and 'we'll be back to pick you up in a bit....'
;:-)
oh. OK. thanks. M109...
i always liked the 50 cal by the top hatch. as if the M109s would ever be close enough to have to go toe to toe. the older, slower version of the M1...
we had a choice, and i think Truman made the right call. it was total war and anything that ended it more quickly was the right thing to do.
i bristle from the Monday Morning Quarterbacks that think otherwise.
I always loved the footage of the American troops getting out of their trenches and advancing into the dust cloud after the nuclear detonation. I don't think the brass would get very far if they tried to order troops to do that now as a training exercise.
i'm not sure what a 1950-1960s MOP would have looked like.
what did the brass know? SOMEBODY had to be a guinea pig. of course, that's when they were doing LSD experiments on soldiers and all kinds of funky vaccinations.
yeah. those were the days.
The U.S. government back in the 50's and 60's used to farm out some of these 'funky' experiments to the Canadian military to conduct. I think the brass back then used to pull the Sgt Schultz defence. "I see nothing, I hear nothing"
'nuke them at night and shoot them in the dark.' Babylon 5...
LOL!!! Hooooogan!
i'm sorry that we sucked you guys in...
when someone is desperate, options can narrow down.
negotiations with Iran serve no purpose except to permit the Iranians to buy time. there will come a time when i think Israel will have exceeded its expected patience.
i strongly suspect that time is 'soon.'
BAHRAIN is looking to go nuclear, the farther Iran goes.
some will be upset. others will be relieved.
all because the Iranian is bipolar.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism...
I am anti-Zionist because Zionism is anti-jew and just plane wrong.
LOL sure you are.
"... You declare, my friend; that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist'. And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of G-D's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- this is G-D's own truth.
"Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agree-ment. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so.
- MARTIN LUTHER KING -
here is the link to the entire letter if you care to be enlightened
http://www.internationalwallo...
Not all jews are pro-zionism. The most devout jews are all anti-zionism.
MARTIN LUTHER KING ON ZIONISM
"Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend"
"... You declare, my friend; that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist'. And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of G-D's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- this is G-D's own truth.
"Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agree-ment. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so.
"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tryant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered our L-RD. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.
"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested -- DEMANDED -- the recog...
MARTIN LUTHER KING ON ZIONISM
"Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend"
"... You declare, my friend; that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist'. And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of G-D's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- this is G-D's own truth.
"Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agree-ment. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so.
"Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tryant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered our L-RD. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.
"The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested -- DEMANDED -- the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.
"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfillment of G-D's promise, that His people should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.
"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is anti-Semitism.
"The anti-Semite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the anti-Semite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerrade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!
"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate anti-Semitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled -- as others have been -- into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to those heartfelt principles that you and I share. Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews -- make no mistake about it."
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From M.L. King Jr., "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend,"
You disagree with MLK and he is black, therefore using liberal logic and debating tactics your are by default a racists.