One piece of land two people fighting over it. It's like two kids fighting over one toy. The only solution is to share or else they will go on fighting for ever.
Will the "Palestinians" then go back to Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Yemen and the other Arabic countries they came from? What year should we draw the line at? Yassir Arafat (Egyptian) thought it should be 1946. Let's go by what he recommended and do it unilaterally. Fair is fair, right? Everybody, everywhere should be forced to move to wherever their family was in 1946. Sounds like a great plan. I'm sure there would be a great deal of support worldwide.
Sorry, but I know personally many Palestinians who were born in Palestine is says that on their birth certificate. Jerusalem, Palestine. You can't get clearer than that. There are plenty who fled for their lives and never got to go home again and then there are the ones who fled in 1967 and lost their homes and businesses then. Palestine did not have tanks, an air force, an army, but they pay for the other Arab countries who made war maybe on their behalf but also because they were fed up with the refugee problem being dumped on them.
how old are those "Palestinians"?
Do you know that any refugee of Genocide (including one Arabs' orchestrated in Darfur) have their status expired in 5 years and they are not allowed to pass that status to ancestors. However, when it comes to Palestinian Arabs (who would be safe if not engaged into countless murder attempts), they have that status eternally, even if they are solvent and live in the countries lie the US.
Refugees are nothing new. The only diference between the Palestinains and all other refugee groups is that the UN set up an agency specifically for the Palestinain refugees and they are the ONLY refugees from that time period who are STILL refugees. All other refugees have long since been absorbed by other countries including Israel. The Arab countries like Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria STILL maintain refugee camps to this day with laws that greatly restrict Palestinains. The arab countries who declared war on Israel did so in order to conquer the land. They said so. They had absolutely no intention of fighting and dying only then give the land away to the Palis. BTW: You're totally ignoring the 50% of Israel's "Palestinain" popualtion that DID NOT flee in 1947 and are not refugees.
There are moderate Palestinians who would love peace -- they just happen to be a very small minority without power to make it happen. Radical Muslims will NEVER make peace with Israel. They join Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in working to annihilate Israel.
How about what should Palestianians dohe to make peace?
The saying is true - 'if Israel's enemies would lay down their weapons, then there would be peace. If Israel lays down her weapons, their will be no Israel'.
Compromise and/or appeasement is impossible with someone who hates you, wants you dead, thinks you should not even exist. This is a millenia old conflict, and will not be settled until the return of Christ.
here is a mother get arrested just b/c she had crossed the line to qazaa in HER COUNTRY LAND and in front of her girls
such *peaceful birds* they are ...huh????
as for the lie -complex in ur head it is just a result for the limited mind of urs
when SOME ONE had a deal with u then he/her did some relieving act OUTSIDE UR DEAL doesn't mean that he/her was lying or tricking ....its not ur business after all....simple as that.
Who are u to judge ppl??????
get hold of ur childish reactions before throwing ur BS on ppl.
especially ppl who DON'T care about U.
hey "***-man"
keep ur hateful ideas to ur self no one cares
ur poor thought about islam output of a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE doesn't have a place in adult discussion
I hope u get what the phalesten's been getting every day from the savage army of israel
how cann't u or any cold blood jerk see the pain they felt when THEIR CHILDREN GET KILLED IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES!!??????
here is a mother get arrested just b/c she had crossed the line to qazaa in HER COUNTRY LAND and in front of her girls
such *peaceful birds* they are ...huh????
as for the lie -complex in ur head it is just a result for the limited mind of urs
when SOME ONE had a deal with u then he/her did some relieving act OUTSIDE UR DEAL doesn't mean that he/her was lying or tricking ....its not ur business after all....simple as that.
Who are u to judge ppl??????
get hold of ur childish reactions before throwing ur BS on ppl.
The very title is as misleading as only a piece of ultra-left and Islamo-Nazi propaganda can be.
The reality is: for decades, Israel has been offering olive branch to the "Palestinian" wannabe murderers and looters an gets acts of terror in response.
The historic Jewish territory Romans mockingly re-named "Palestine" had no relation to Arabs who lived hundreds miles to the south at that tme and first stepped on that land more than 600 years later,
First, Jews are Semites- like Arabs. While Arabs were nomads who lived in Arabia, Jews settled on the land from Arabia through Palestine, Syria, Mesopotamia (modern Iraq) and Persia. After the general expulsion, there were still many Jews, living out there. Just read books about Crusades and Mark Twain’s book
Second, before Jews returned to what they rightfully considered the country of their forefathers, the land was not in high demand, partially, because only small parcels were good for extensive agriculture Arabs practiced. The territory was VEERY loosely populated – read Mark Twain about that. Only after 2-3 waves of Jews from Europe arrived and cultivated the land they bought from Turks and Arabs (who considered it useless), Arabs from surrounding parts of Ottoman Empire and other countries started arriving in mass.
A noble thought but as long as the Palestinians are not allowed to assimilate into other Arab countries they will remain refugees and an excuse for the Arabs to attempt to excise/kill/subjugate all Jews living there. Compare the palestinians to any other refugee group and you will see a substantial difference.
I agree that teaching kids in kindergartens and schools they have to murder Jews whenever is possible, celebrating 911 and praising a sharp-shooter who purposely murdered 8 months old baby and then enjoyed slow murdering her crying father – that is all madness. I visited Israel 12 times and I can witness its people are committed to peace and cooperation.
Actually (as an illegal worker) I was a member of a mixed (Jewish-Arab) scrap-metal-supplying crew. I still have connection to both Israeli Arabs and ones from territories. They are forced to be anti-Israel.
ha-ha-ha
Once a Jew decides to come back to the land of forefathers, he stops being a Semite? Because you said so? BTW, before sending them to the death camps, the Nazis caught European Jews solely based on their Semitic appearance.
Sorry, but what you are saying is nonsense. It is like to say that African Americans have nothing to do with their race, because most of them have lighter skin than their brothers in Africa.
Who is the real Americans?whites or Indians? would u please leave America and give the Indians back their own lands?don't u think America is their territory which has been re-named to USA by ur father?
Both are real Americans - it has space for everybody.
I like your analogy. I would appreciate if you point out at any American politician, calling to throw Indians into the ocean. You cannot.
Similarly, both Jews and Arabs have their claims to the territory the League of Nations called Palestine and intended to give it to the Jewish state.. Arabs immediately took 77% of it - it is Jordan now - clearly Apartheid state - no Jew is allowed to reside by their laws. Are you OK with that?
Out of remaining 23%, about 1/3 has been offered to Arabs (it is 8% of the Palestine). So, Israel remains with less than 15 % of the land of their forefathers. Given the fact that Israeli Arabs own much more Israeli land per capita than Jews, Israeli Jews (or Jewish Palestinians if you wish) own only about 10% of the land. Well, to be accurate, the state of Israel (which is also the Israeli Arabs’ state) has it.
Arabs are not murderers, people are murderers. There are almost a billion Arabs in the world, in the regions where there is peace, there is very little violent crime. There are more murders in Africa and the Americas, then any part of the world, Africa and the Americas lead the world in murders, I am pretty sure.
There are not more than 150-200 million Arabs in the world - don't confuse them with Muslims.
I didn't say all Arabs are murderers - on the contrary, I told you that if they are not - they are allowed stay in Israel, which they do. As for the crime level - it is a matter of stats. Don't count only simple criminals but also think of paramilitary groups and terrorists. That is where Arabs are well known for, unfortunately.
"Christian zionists" have nothing to do with Israeli government ans the official policies. You failed to address my question. Contrary to Israelis, your "president" Ahmadinejad repeatedly come up with threats and hateful statements about the country Iran has nothing to do with.
The Torah says (Genesis 15:18) that G-d promised Abraham's descendents the land between the River of Egypt and the Forat (Euphrates). The Euphrates is mentioned again as the border in Exodus 23:31 and Deuteronomy 11:24. But this does not mean Jews have the right to take this land whenever they want. It is up to G-d to decide when this promise will be fulfilled.
Historically, Jews never conquered all this land. In Biblical times, Jewish tribes lived on both banks of the Jordan but not very far to the east, and, at the height of their power, as far north as Damascus. They never came anywhere near the Euphrates.
In the Second Temple era (351 BCE-69 CE) the Jewish state was confined to the West Bank of the Jordan.
The Prophets state that Jews will be in exile until G-d redeems them. That exile is still in effect now, and no Jews have the right to end it on their own. G-d will send us Elijah the prophet and the Messiah who will tell us what to do.
The Star of David pictured on the Zionist flag was not originally a Jewish symbol and was found as a design among many Middle Eastern cultures. Around two hundred years ago it began to be used in synagogues as a standard symbol, and when the Zionist movement arose they adopted it as their symbol. It has nothing to do with borders.
What year should we draw the line at? Yassir Arafat (Egyptian) thought it should be 1946. Let's go by what he recommended and do it unilaterally. Fair is fair, right?
Everybody, everywhere should be forced to move to wherever their family was in 1946.
Sounds like a great plan. I'm sure there would be a great deal of support worldwide.
Do you know that any refugee of Genocide (including one Arabs' orchestrated in Darfur) have their status expired in 5 years and they are not allowed to pass that status to ancestors. However, when it comes to Palestinian Arabs (who would be safe if not engaged into countless murder attempts), they have that status eternally, even if they are solvent and live in the countries lie the US.
The arab countries who declared war on Israel did so in order to conquer the land. They said so. They had absolutely no intention of fighting and dying only then give the land away to the Palis.
BTW: You're totally ignoring the 50% of Israel's "Palestinain" popualtion that DID NOT flee in 1947 and are not refugees.
The saying is true - 'if Israel's enemies would lay down their weapons, then there would be peace. If Israel lays down her weapons, their will be no Israel'.
Compromise and/or appeasement is impossible with someone who hates you, wants you dead, thinks you should not even exist. This is a millenia old conflict, and will not be settled until the return of Christ.
keep ur hateful ideas to ur self no one cares
ur poor thought about islam output of a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE doesn't have a place in adult discussion
I hope u get what the phalesten's been getting every day from the savage army of israel
how cann't u or any cold blood jerk see the pain they felt when THEIR CHILDREN GET KILLED IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES!!??????
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...
here is a mother get arrested just b/c she had crossed the line to qazaa in HER COUNTRY LAND and in front of her girls
such *peaceful birds* they are ...huh????
as for the lie -complex in ur head it is just a result for the limited mind of urs
when SOME ONE had a deal with u then he/her did some relieving act OUTSIDE UR DEAL doesn't mean that he/her was lying or tricking ....its not ur business after all....simple as that.
Who are u to judge ppl??????
get hold of ur childish reactions before throwing ur BS on ppl.
especially ppl who DON'T care about U.
keep ur hateful ideas to ur self no one cares
ur poor thought about islam output of a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE doesn't have a place in adult discussion
I hope u get what the phalesten's been getting every day from the savage army of israel
how cann't u or any cold blood jerk see the pain they felt when THEIR CHILDREN GET KILLED IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES!!??????
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...
here is a mother get arrested just b/c she had crossed the line to qazaa in HER COUNTRY LAND and in front of her girls
such *peaceful birds* they are ...huh????
as for the lie -complex in ur head it is just a result for the limited mind of urs
when SOME ONE had a deal with u then he/her did some relieving act OUTSIDE UR DEAL doesn't mean that he/her was lying or tricking ....its not ur business after all....simple as that.
Who are u to judge ppl??????
get hold of ur childish reactions before throwing ur BS on ppl.
especially ppl who DON'T care about U.
The reality is: for decades, Israel has been offering olive branch to the "Palestinian" wannabe murderers and looters an gets acts of terror in response.
Second, before Jews returned to what they rightfully considered the country of their forefathers, the land was not in high demand, partially, because only small parcels were good for extensive agriculture Arabs practiced. The territory was VEERY loosely populated – read Mark Twain about that. Only after 2-3 waves of Jews from Europe arrived and cultivated the land they bought from Turks and Arabs (who considered it useless), Arabs from surrounding parts of Ottoman Empire and other countries started arriving in mass.
Compare the palestinians to any other refugee group and you will see a substantial difference.
Actually (as an illegal worker) I was a member of a mixed (Jewish-Arab) scrap-metal-supplying crew. I still have connection to both Israeli Arabs and ones from territories. They are forced to be anti-Israel.
Once a Jew decides to come back to the land of forefathers, he stops being a Semite? Because you said so? BTW, before sending them to the death camps, the Nazis caught European Jews solely based on their Semitic appearance.
Sorry, but what you are saying is nonsense. It is like to say that African Americans have nothing to do with their race, because most of them have lighter skin than their brothers in Africa.
I like your analogy. I would appreciate if you point out at any American politician, calling to throw Indians into the ocean. You cannot.
Similarly, both Jews and Arabs have their claims to the territory the League of Nations called Palestine and intended to give it to the Jewish state.. Arabs immediately took 77% of it - it is Jordan now - clearly Apartheid state - no Jew is allowed to reside by their laws. Are you OK with that?
Out of remaining 23%, about 1/3 has been offered to Arabs (it is 8% of the Palestine). So, Israel remains with less than 15 % of the land of their forefathers. Given the fact that Israeli Arabs own much more Israeli land per capita than Jews, Israeli Jews (or Jewish Palestinians if you wish) own only about 10% of the land. Well, to be accurate, the state of Israel (which is also the Israeli Arabs’ state) has it.
I didn't say all Arabs are murderers - on the contrary, I told you that if they are not - they are allowed stay in Israel, which they do. As for the crime level - it is a matter of stats. Don't count only simple criminals but also think of paramilitary groups and terrorists. That is where Arabs are well known for, unfortunately.
Historically, Jews never conquered all this land. In Biblical times, Jewish tribes lived on both banks of the Jordan but not very far to the east, and, at the height of their power, as far north as Damascus. They never came anywhere near the Euphrates.
In the Second Temple era (351 BCE-69 CE) the Jewish state was confined to the West Bank of the Jordan.
The Prophets state that Jews will be in exile until G-d redeems them. That exile is still in effect now, and no Jews have the right to end it on their own. G-d will send us Elijah the prophet and the Messiah who will tell us what to do.
The Star of David pictured on the Zionist flag was not originally a Jewish symbol and was found as a design among many Middle Eastern cultures. Around two hundred years ago it began to be used in synagogues as a standard symbol, and when the Zionist movement arose they adopted it as their symbol. It has nothing to do with borders.