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Mr Chin 2012/07/28 21:19:13
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  • sodabox 2012/07/28 22:53:26
    This is my thoughts on religion and the common man..
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    Religion is a fairy-tale and its practice is a cult.

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  • Leeaqua 2012/08/22 15:44:06
    This is my thoughts on religion and the common man..
    Leeaqua
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    Seneca is absolutely correct ! Ask yourselves , how can the supernatural exist in a natural universe ? Where is the proof ? The comon sense answer always will be that the supernatural cannot and never has existed ! Science, physics, chemistry and mathematics govern the universe and we are in our infancy when it comes to understanding and observing these natural events .
  • Scott T... Leeaqua 2013/05/04 18:27:46
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    The saying is True.. The answers are false. God is not religion.. Religion is man trying to earn his way to God by his own works.. The Holy Bible on the other hand is Truth and is the most accurate history or science book in the Universe.. All true Science Proves the Bible true without even a wicked need for theory.. Evolution does not have a chain let alone a missing link.. 300 Laws of physics rule this universe with NO scientific evidence of what empowers these laws. You cant have a law without a law maker. In the same way Religion is the counterfeit to knowledge of God. Theory and evolution is the Counterfeit to Science! Millions in rewards have been un-claimed for the slightest proof of evolution. Here are just a few fun facts.. Over 25,000 Archaeological discoveries prove the Bible it is 100% true. (None false)

    The Odds also of all the Prophecies coming true with 100% accuracy like they have is greater than a trillion Trillions to One.

    No other religious book has any to speak of.

    Even the secular Best prophet’s maybe 20% accuracy.

    Science said 2500 years ago that there were 1100 stars in the sky. The Bible said the same time they were uncountable like the sand on the sea shores.

    Science 2500 years ago Science said the world was flat. The Bible said it was round. Columb...




































































    The saying is True.. The answers are false. God is not religion.. Religion is man trying to earn his way to God by his own works.. The Holy Bible on the other hand is Truth and is the most accurate history or science book in the Universe.. All true Science Proves the Bible true without even a wicked need for theory.. Evolution does not have a chain let alone a missing link.. 300 Laws of physics rule this universe with NO scientific evidence of what empowers these laws. You cant have a law without a law maker. In the same way Religion is the counterfeit to knowledge of God. Theory and evolution is the Counterfeit to Science! Millions in rewards have been un-claimed for the slightest proof of evolution. Here are just a few fun facts.. Over 25,000 Archaeological discoveries prove the Bible it is 100% true. (None false)

    The Odds also of all the Prophecies coming true with 100% accuracy like they have is greater than a trillion Trillions to One.

    No other religious book has any to speak of.

    Even the secular Best prophet’s maybe 20% accuracy.

    Science said 2500 years ago that there were 1100 stars in the sky. The Bible said the same time they were uncountable like the sand on the sea shores.

    Science 2500 years ago Science said the world was flat. The Bible said it was round. Columbus being a Christian BELIEVED the Bible saying it was a Sphere round and surrounded by nothiness set out in FAITH HE QUOTED: It was the Lord who put it in my mind. I could feel his hand upon me.... there is no question the inspiration was from the Holy Spirit because he comforted me with rays of Marvelous Illumination from the Holy Scriptures!!

    Science books are constantly being changed daily through Journals etc. Your Famous Stephen recently said forget everything you knew before about the Universe!!!!

    Well why should we believe them now when only the Bible is constantly consistently right???

    Like Columbus, we who know the Lord will continue to follow him to paradise.

    The more I seek secular proof against God, I have found only way more evidence that the Bible is 100% right.

    Only the Bible claims to be written by God speaking to men. Over 3000 times it say Thus says the Lord.
    We have over 24,000 ancient copies of the New Testament. And the Old Testimant speaks clearly about Jesus being GOD thousands of years earlier. Just the Old Testament prophecies concerning Jesus alone coming true like they have exactly are 1/ 100 Billion to 1.

    Historian Millar Burrows States the Bible is supported by Archeological evidence again and again. On the whole there can be no question that the results of excavation have increased the respect of Scholars for the Bible as a collection of Historical documents.

    Famous and respect John Warwick says: To be skeptical of the resultant text of the New Testament books is to allow all of classical antiquity to slip into obscurity, for no documents of the ancient period are as well attested Bibliographically as the New Testament.
    Science vs. the Bible


    Some people might have the false impression that science and the Bible are in conflict with one another. That simply isn't true. If one chooses to view the contents of the Bible objectively, without jumping to false conclusions, and without accepting faulty opinions as to how to interpret various versus, then that person will be rewarded with a clear understanding that there is no conflict between the Bible and science.

    It is, of course, worth remembering that the goal of the Bible is not to teach science but to teach people about God, Jesus and salvation. Even so, there are times when the Bible stated things, during ancient times, which are consistent with our modern understanding of science. In fact, there are a number of passages in the Bible that appear to be centuries, even a few thousand years, ahead of scientists in terms of understanding of science. Here are a few examples:

    1. The Old Testament of the Bible said that the earth is round and is suspended in space:
    There are passages in the Bible that state that the earth is round and that it is suspended in space. It took a long time for scientists to reach the same conclusions. Copernicus, for example, made the discovery in 1475. But the Bible contained passages alluding to these facts a few thousand years before Copernicus:

    "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth," (Isaiah 40:22a, NIV translation).

    "He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7 NIV).

    2. The Bible described the Hydrologic Cycle:
    The Bible contains various passages that coincide with our modern understanding of the hydrologic cycle, the process by which water evaporates, clouds are formed, rain is produced, and ground water is replenished. Science made this discovery during 1600s. But the Bible knew about it for a few thousand years beforehand:

    "He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight" (Job 26:8 NIV).

    "He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind" (Job 36:27-28 NIV).

    "The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again" (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7 NIV).

    3. The Bible alludes to matter as being made up of invisible particles:
    In Romans 1:20, and in Hebrews 11:3, there are passages that refer to all things being created with something that is invisible. That might have sounded impossible to people living 2,000 years ago, when these verses were written, but science has since proven that matter is made up of invisible particles. Take a look at these Bible verses:

    "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible" (Hebrews 11:3 NIV).

    4. The Bible indicated that the stars were uncountable:
    For centuries, scientists and astronomers thought they could count the precise number of stars in the universe. Brahe, for example, concluded that there were 777 stars in the skies. Kepler, on the other hand, claimed that the total was 1,005. Hipparchus raised the number to 1,022 stars. Ptolemy topped the others with a finding of 1,056 stars. Eventually, scientists, including Galileo, realized that the stars could not be numbered, just as the Bible had always claimed:

    " . . . as countless as the stars of the sky . . . " (Jeremiah 33:22 NIV).

    He took him outside and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars—if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be" (Genesis 15:5 NIV).

    5. The Bible stated the existence of valleys and springs in the seas:
    Only during the past few centuries did man have the technology to discover and investigate the deep valleys and fresh water springs within the oceans. But the Bible always knew of their presence:

    "The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD . . . " (2 Samuel 22:16 NIV).

    "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened" (Genesis 7:11 NIV).

    6. The Bible stated that kind words and laughter are good for one's health:
    During the past few decades, various American newspapers have published reports that laughter releases chemicals within a person's body that can contribute to one's health. And, that depression and stress can weaken the immune system and lead to a variety of health problems. But, the Bible recorded the healthy virtues of laughter about 3000 years ago when the Bible's book of Proverbs was written:

    "Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones" (Proverbs 16:24 NIV).

    "A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones" (Proverbs 17:22 NIV).

    7. The Bible stated that stars differed from one another, centuries before scientists reached the same conclusion:
    Today we know that the stars in the skies are very different from one another, that they are made up of differing concentrations of different elements, and that they vary in size, age and proximity to earth. But the ancient people had no way to prove this. Even so, Paul, one of the people God had inspired to write portions of the Bible, wrote a passage more than 1900 years ago in an epistle (letter) of the Bible, 1 Corinthians, which said that the stars in the heavens differ from one another:

    "The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor" (1 Corinthians 15:41 NIV).
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  • Scott T... Leeaqua 2013/05/04 20:34:59
    Scott Trester
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    Religion is False. God is true.. Science, physics, chemistry and mathematics have no power to govern the universe. God does.. Not only is Science awesome in the way that it proves God true.. Even so evolutionists prove evolution false and God true.. Charles Darwin Wrote quote: To suppose the Eye with all its inimitable Contrivances for adjusting light and adjusting to focus ETC, ETC, ETC, the thought that this could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. By Charles Darwin
    Here is a quote from Evolutionist and Harvard Genetics Professor Richard Lewontin says QUOTE: Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common Sense is the key to an understanding of the real Struggle between Science and the Supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs.... In spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so Stories, because we have a prior commitment to materialism....
    Moreover (He continues) that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a divine foot in the door. to appeal to an omnipotent deity is to allow that at any moment the regularities of nature may be ruptured, that miracles may happen.

    So there you have it, YOUR DR. Lewon...

























































    Religion is False. God is true.. Science, physics, chemistry and mathematics have no power to govern the universe. God does.. Not only is Science awesome in the way that it proves God true.. Even so evolutionists prove evolution false and God true.. Charles Darwin Wrote quote: To suppose the Eye with all its inimitable Contrivances for adjusting light and adjusting to focus ETC, ETC, ETC, the thought that this could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. By Charles Darwin
    Here is a quote from Evolutionist and Harvard Genetics Professor Richard Lewontin says QUOTE: Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common Sense is the key to an understanding of the real Struggle between Science and the Supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs.... In spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so Stories, because we have a prior commitment to materialism....
    Moreover (He continues) that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a divine foot in the door. to appeal to an omnipotent deity is to allow that at any moment the regularities of nature may be ruptured, that miracles may happen.

    So there you have it, YOUR DR. Lewontin actually admits the absurdity of these claims, and that no matter where the evidence leads, he is not going to consider it!!! (Like Evolutionists)

    Then I have had evolutionist guys show me idiotic evolution garbage how an eye can evolve in 7 easy steps!!!! Those guys need some serious help. I am putting together all the proof I will ever need by non Christians. By scientists and evolutions and their studies alone!!!! This is so unbelievably easy and yet you don’t see it.

    Stephen Hawkins wrote the universe and the laws of Physics seem to have been specifically designed for us.

    The law of Biogenesis dictates that Life only comes from Life. So where did the first life come from. Experts agree that the likeliness is 1 in 10 to 140th power. The Law of Biogenesis Dictates life only perpetuates its own kind!!! All consistent with the Holy Bible.
    A.J.marshal wrote there is no fossils showing how birds evolved.
    H.W. Smith from NYU said The Gap remains Unbridged and the best place to start evolution is in the imagination.

    Evolutionist Nils Heribert-Nilsson wrote the Deficiencies are real: They will never be filled. (Speaking of the fossil record)

    David Kitts reminded his fellow evolutionists quote: Despite the promise that paleontology proves proof for evolution, yet Paleontology does not provide them.

    Paleontologist Robert Carrol wrote: The most striking features of large scale evolution are the extremely rapid divergence of lineages near the time of their origin, followed by long periods in which basic body plans and ways of life are retained. What is missing he wrote is the intermediate forms hypothesized by Darwin.

    Nebraska Man evidence was proven to come from an extinct pig.
    Piltdown man was proven a deliberate hoax.
    Java man was proven to come from different animals and unrelated human bones.
    Peking man was proven to be not from Monkeys with tools, but from humans who ate monkeys and humans who used the tools.
    Neanderthal man was Completely Human bones.
    Lucy was proven to be a monkey alive with man.

    So where is a shred of evidence??

    Dr. Colin Patterson Director of the British Museum of natural History wrote a book about evolution. When asked why his book had NO TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS from his 7 million plus Fossils in his museum wrote: I fully agree with your comments on lack of direct illustrations of evolution transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossils or living, I certainly would have included it.... I will lay it on the line he quotes: There is not one such fossil for which one might make a watertight argument.

    THIS IS THE LEADING EXPERT WITH OVER 7 MILLION FOSSILS WRITING EVOLUTIONARY BOOKS!!!!

    Niles Elderidge, a leading expert on Vertebrate Fossils said finally: No wonder paleontologists shied away from evolution for so long. Assiduous collecting up cliff faces yield zigzags, minor oscillations, and the very occasional Slight accumulation of change-at a rate too slow to account for all the prodigious change that has occurred in evolutionary history. He Continues Quote: when we do see change it usually comes with a big bang!!! And often with no firm evidence that the fossils didn’t evolve elsewhere...HE Continues: Evolution cannot forever be going on somewhere else. Yet that’s how the fossil record has struck so many a forlorn paleontologists looking to learn something about evolution!!!! GET THIS GUYS!!! THE VERY GUY HERE NILES ELDERIDGE that you dont believe once quoted!!! In his book The Monkey Business (1982) paleontologist Niles Eldredge wrote that no author who published in the Creation Research Society Quarterly "has contributed a single article to any reputable scientific journal" (p.83). Apparently Eldredge couldn't be bothered to glance at the Science Citation Index or any other major science bibliographic source.

    I Love it when you guys attack and deny your own GURUS LOL.. http://www.rae.org/crepub.html

    Are you getting this??? These are your experts. You are riding on the wings of these people who have spoke out of both sides of their faces.
    Dr Frederick Hoyle said the probability of enzyme arising spontaneously was less than one in 10to the 40,000 power. He also said that the number of trial assemblies of amino acids needed to give rise to the enzymes required for life, and their discovery by random shuffling , turns out to be less than 1in 1x10 to 40,000th power. To give an example of how big that number is just to get potential life. A trillion is 10 to the 12th power. And there are only 10 to the 80Th power electrons in the entire universe. So 10 to the 40,000 power of anything is almost impossible to imagine. Mathematicians say anything past 10 to the 50th power is impossible and can never conceivably happen or exist under any circumstance.

    Dr Harold Morowitz, professor of biophysics at Yale said life by chance for the first simplest to form was 1 in 10 to 340,000,000 power.

    Carl Sagan evolutionist estimates chance of life evolving on any single planet including earth is one chance in 10 to the 2,000,000,000 power.
    To even write this number down would take 6000 books with 300 pages each.
    So the odds of the first life happening are zero to none. There are no evidence of a simple life form living of fossilized. There is no evidence of life evolving to other kinds. All Life appeared suddenly. And changes in variety have been very slow and have stayed in their kinds as planted in the DNA sequences.

    Guys I could write 100 pages on how absurd it is that an eyeball could evolve. Your experts are saying life suddenly showed up.

    I could write a book on just the Flagellum of some Bacteria and the marvel of its engineering. Howard Berg refers them as the most efficient machine in the universe. This bacteria has a propeller that spins at 100,000 revolutions per Minute to push it along and can change direction in a quarter turn and has 40 complex protein parts!!!
    Any missing parts or the right proportions and Flagellum will not form, so how could it evolve???

    Molecular biology has shown that even a single cell is incredibly complex.
    Bruce Albert’s a leading cell Biologist and President of the National Academy of Science writes: We have always underestimated cells. The entire cell can be viewed as a factory that contains an elaborate network of interlocking assembly lines, each of which is composed of a set of large Protein machines. They contain highly coordinated moving parts etc, etc... All parts must be in place simultaneously before the cell can function. Since life is built of these machines’ ‘the idea that natural process could have made a living system is ABSURD. (BY the EXPERTS!!!)

    He goes on to say that systems of horrendous, irreducible complexity inhabit the cell. The resulting realization that life is designed by intelligence is a shock to us in the 20th century who have gotten used to thinking life as the result of simple natural laws.

    These are the experts in field of evolution.
    So this is what the experts have just taught us.
    No fossil proof. No chain let alone a missing link. No way simple life forms starting. A trillion years would not be enough time for evolution. All fossils appeared suddenly. And all evidence of change is slowly within kinds as the Bible states.



    And honestly these points on God are just a small tip of the iceberg.. God is so… So much smarter and wiser than us that these last 2 posts I equate to be like trying to explain how a nuclear bomb works to a toddler. God has recently showed me what I call the theory of everything!!! God answers the questions of when time began and the end!! Where space begins and ends.. And that he is literally in control of all these things.. If you could see for a single second How God is holding every electron in your body and this Universe through his will, you would fall to the ground quaking violently in fear, wonder, and awe at the thought of him alone!!! Then you realize that this God wants to know you???? How do you not Love him and his unfathomable goodness!
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  • Jrogers 2012/08/21 08:34:48
    This is my thoughts on religion and the common man..
    Jrogers
    +1
    These are my thoughts on religion as well - even way back then people knew how dangerous religion is to society
  • Scott T... Jrogers 2013/05/04 20:44:47
    Scott Trester
    +2
    Did you know the Holy Bible itself has only one positive verse about religion! All the rest except this one are negative.. 26 If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless.27 Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.
    James 1:26-27
  • suejkw 2012/08/20 15:34:20
    This is my thoughts on religion and the common man..
    suejkw
    +2
    How true.Why are there so many people who refuse to question the stupid & proveable false beliefs that their religions teach them as factual? Are they afraid to question?
  • abycinnamon BN-1 2012/08/09 23:21:08
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    +3
    I completely agree.
  • Mordred Emrys Morgan 2012/08/08 13:57:51
    This is my thoughts on religion and rulers..
    Mordred Emrys Morgan
    However, to the wise, it is a tool that can lead to the discovery of one's own truth.
  • goblue1968 2012/07/30 19:17:41
    This is my thoughts on religion and the common man..
    goblue1968
    +1
    Religions were invented by men in the old history when they did not have enough scientific discovery and other knowledge available to them to explain what they saw and experienced. Then, those men who were more intelligent (by IQ) than the average among their local people came up with ideas to explain observed phenomena, and created religions to explain those things and assumed the positions of religious leadership. That confirms Seneca's quote "Religion is regarded...by the rulers as useful".
  • NightOf... goblue1968 2012/08/13 07:19:35
    NightOfTheFox
    +3
    Religion is useful as a way to keep people under your control. God said attack that country, god said work hard and multiply, god said to ignore reason and keep your mouths shut. Very useful indeed.
  • Thank you but no... 2012/07/30 16:55:15
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    +5
    I think he pretty much hit the nail on the head.
  • William 2012/07/30 07:56:35 (edited)
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    These are myths. It was a bunch of preachers from the Confessing Lutheran Church that devised the plot to kill Hitler. Among them were Deitrick Bonhoeffer and Martin Neimoller. Not exactly sheep. Just as then, sheep are sheep--religion or not. Those who join forces with Obamney, will likely be of the same ilk as the sheep and profiteers who joined with Hitler.
  • Darnel 2012/07/30 06:01:43
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    cute.
  • blissful 2012/07/30 03:37:55
    This is my thoughts on religion and the common man..
    blissful
    I think that religion is a factor in peoples life. people should have the right to believe in something..
  • suejkw blissful 2012/08/20 15:35:50
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    But WHY believe in something that can be PROVEN false?
  • Scott T... suejkw 2013/05/04 20:50:26
    Scott Trester
    +1
    All the latest proofs of Science proves God TRUE! Religion is man.. You must be talking about evolution?? Here is what the top experts In evolution have said.Here is a quote from Evolutionist and Harvard Genetics Professor Richard Lewontin says QUOTE: Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common Sense is the key to an understanding of the real Struggle between Science and the Supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs.... In spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so Stories, because we have a prior commitment to materialism....
    Moreover (He continues) that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a divine foot in the door. to appeal to an omnipotent deity is to allow that at any moment the regularities of nature may be ruptured, that miracles may happen.
    Stephen Hawkins wrote the universe and the laws of Physics seem to have been specifically designed for us.

    The law of Biogenesis dictates that Life only comes from Life. So where did the first life come from. Experts agree that the likeliness is 1 in 10 to 140th power. The Law of Biogenesis Dictates life only perpetuates its own kind!!! All consistent with the Holy Bible.
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    All the latest proofs of Science proves God TRUE! Religion is man.. You must be talking about evolution?? Here is what the top experts In evolution have said.Here is a quote from Evolutionist and Harvard Genetics Professor Richard Lewontin says QUOTE: Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common Sense is the key to an understanding of the real Struggle between Science and the Supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs.... In spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so Stories, because we have a prior commitment to materialism....
    Moreover (He continues) that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a divine foot in the door. to appeal to an omnipotent deity is to allow that at any moment the regularities of nature may be ruptured, that miracles may happen.
    Stephen Hawkins wrote the universe and the laws of Physics seem to have been specifically designed for us.

    The law of Biogenesis dictates that Life only comes from Life. So where did the first life come from. Experts agree that the likeliness is 1 in 10 to 140th power. The Law of Biogenesis Dictates life only perpetuates its own kind!!! All consistent with the Holy Bible.
    A.J.marshal wrote there is no fossils showing how birds evolved.
    H.W. Smith from NYU said The Gap remains Unbridged and the best place to start evolution is in the imagination.

    Evolutionist Nils Heribert-Nilsson wrote the Deficiencies are real: They will never be filled. (Speaking of the fossil record)

    David Kitts reminded his fellow evolutionists quote: Despite the promise that paleontology proves proof for evolution, yet Paleontology does not provide them.

    Paleontologist Robert Carrol wrote: The most striking features of large scale evolution are the extremely rapid divergence of lineages near the time of their origin, followed by long periods in which basic body plans and ways of life are retained. What is missing he wrote is the intermediate forms hypothesized by Darwin.

    Nebraska Man evidence was proven to come from an extinct pig.
    Piltdown man was proven a deliberate hoax.
    Java man was proven to come from different animals and unrelated human bones.
    Peking man was proven to be not from Monkeys with tools, but from humans who ate monkeys and humans who used the tools.
    Neanderthal man was Completely Human bones.
    Lucy was proven to be a monkey alive with man.

    So where is a shred of evidence??

    Dr. Colin Patterson Director of the British Museum of natural History wrote a book about evolution. When asked why his book had NO TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS from his 7 million plus Fossils in his museum wrote: I fully agree with your comments on lack of direct illustrations of evolution transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossils or living, I certainly would have included it.... I will lay it on the line he quotes: There is not one such fossil for which one might make a watertight argument.

    THIS IS THE LEADING EXPERT WITH OVER 7 MILLION FOSSILS WRITING EVOLUTIONARY BOOKS!!!!

    Niles Elderidge, a leading expert on Vertebrate Fossils said finally: No wonder paleontologists shied away from evolution for so long. Assiduous collecting up cliff faces yield zigzags, minor oscillations, and the very occasional Slight accumulation of change-at a rate too slow to account for all the prodigious change that has occurred in evolutionary history. He Continues Quote: when we do see change it usually comes with a big bang!!! And often with no firm evidence that the fossils didn’t evolve elsewhere...HE Continues: Evolution cannot forever be going on somewhere else. Yet that’s how the fossil record has struck so many a forlorn paleontologists looking to learn something about evolution!!!! GET THIS GUYS!!! THE VERY GUY HERE NILES ELDERIDGE that you don’t believe once quoted!!! In his book The Monkey Business (1982) paleontologist Niles Elderidge wrote that no author who published in the Creation Research Society Quarterly "has contributed a single article to any reputable scientific journal" (p.83). Apparently Elderidge couldn't be bothered to glance at the Science Citation Index or any other major science bibliographic source.

    I Love it when you guys attack and deny your own GURUS LOL.. http://www.rae.org/crepub.html

    Are you getting this??? These are your experts. You are riding on the wings of these people who have spoke out of both sides of their faces.
    Dr Frederick Hoyle said the probability of enzyme arising spontaneously was less than one in 10to the 40,000 power. He also said that the number of trial assemblies of amino acids needed to give rise to the enzymes required for life, and their discovery by random shuffling , turns out to be less than 1in 1x10 to 40,000th power. To give an example of how big that number is just to get potential life. A trillion is 10 to the 12th power. And there are only 10 to the 80Th power electrons in the entire universe. So 10 to the 40,000 power of anything is almost impossible to imagine. Mathematicians say anything past 10 to the 50th power is impossible and can never conceivably happen or exist under any circumstance.

    Dr Harold Morowitz, professor of biophysics at Yale said life by chance for the first simplest to form was 1 in 10 to 340,000,000 power.

    Carl Sagan evolutionist estimates chance of life evolving on any single planet including earth is one chance in 10 to the 2,000,000,000 power.
    To even write this number down would take 6000 books with 300 pages each.
    So the odds of the first life happening are zero to none. There are no evidence of a simple life form living of fossilized. There is no evidence of life evolving to other kinds. All Life appeared suddenly. And changes in variety have been very slow and have stayed in their kinds as planted in the DNA sequences.

    Guys I could write 100 pages on how absurd it is that an eyeball could evolve. Your experts are saying life suddenly showed up.

    I could write a book on just the Flagellum of some Bacteria and the marvel of its engineering. Howard Berg refers them as the most efficient machine in the universe. This bacteria has a propeller that spins at 100,000 revolutions per Minute to push it along and can change direction in a quarter turn and has 40 complex protein parts!!!
    Any missing parts or the right proportions and Flagellum will not form, so how could it evolve???

    Molecular biology has shown that even a single cell is incredibly complex.
    Bruce Albert’s a leading cell Biologist and President of the National Academy of Science writes: We have always underestimated cells. The entire cell can be viewed as a factory that contains an elaborate network of interlocking assembly lines, each of which is composed of a set of large Protein machines. They contain highly coordinated moving parts etc, etc... All parts must be in place simultaneously before the cell can function. Since life is built of these machines’ ‘the idea that natural process could have made a living system is ABSURD. (BY the EXPERTS!!!)

    He goes on to say that systems of horrendous, irreducible complexity inhabit the cell. The resulting realization that life is designed by intelligence is a shock to us in the 20th century who have gotten used to thinking life as the result of simple natural laws.

    These are the experts in field of evolution.
    So this is what the experts have just taught us.
    No fossil proof. No chain let alone a missing link. No way simple life forms starting. A trillion years would not be enough time for evolution. All fossils appeared suddenly. And all evidence of change is slowly within kinds as the Bible states.


    God Created all technology.
    God saw all the potential.

    Its no wonder most inventors where Christians. The technology has always been there and the Properties that hold them together. What powers gravity? God
    Why is there a temperature change when a liquid turns to a gas or a gas to a liquid which makes rain and air conditioning work? GOD!
    What keeps our atmosphere from blowing off the face of this planet traveling at high speeds? God.
    Where did DNA come from that keeps all living organisms in their kinds? GOD. Why does the most simple forms of life have DNA codes more complex than any computer software? GOD Why do we have color, taste, sight, hearing, fingerprints, vocal cords that sing praises more beautiful than any instrument? GOD Who powered the big bang? GOD Why do I know that? Because like Proved, Something cannot ever come out of nothing. Energy does not appear out of nothing!! The big bang is the point of creation. And the Universe is expanding like the Bible says it is as proven in our day.

    Every day great prophesies are being fulfilled as predicted in the Bible.

    Nothing has evolved in the last 6,000 years. Nothing will evolve in the next 6,000 years. For 12,000 years if the earth last another 6,000 years/ Still evolution is a dead issue.


    There has never been an example of anything in this world getting better after it was created. FALSE< FALSE FALSE thinking to think that. Everything wears out and winds down.

    I could go on for hours. Its so clear to see if you open your heart. But God won’t force you to see what is right there in your back yard plain as day.


    I watched the discovery channel and watched our highest regarded scientist like Hawkins say to forget all that we knew before about the universe!!!(So why should we believe him now??)

    The discovery channel also just had our world’s great scientists say they have proof from quantum Physics that a God has been running all life on a super computer because all life runs as if it is off of a program at the Atom level to a billion times smaller than an Atom. (For Billions of years?)

    Jesus said and I know, he holds all things into existence by things that cannot be seen (It’s in the bible)
    And all the evidence ever acquired, proves exactly that. I just Love studying the latest discoveries!!!!! Not only is there no transitional forms, there is absolutely no evidence for evolution but for paper theory. (Tons of it) If evolution was true, there would only be old transitional forms in the fossil record, and it would be hard to find a fossil like is alive today without decay.

    They draw their pictures and you think they have evidence when in reality they have drawn it up on speculation from sometimes less than a single small bone or tooth.

    If evolution were true, we would all have strange growths trying to evolve into something that just may become something useful in a million years (Like an eye or ear LOL) the last 6000 years there is no significant sign of evolution. And the next 6000 we will most likely not have any animals left in the next 600 years if we are even here at all. We could sure use some oil eating fish right now or some bullet resistant bears to keep the man population down. LOL But we have no signs of evolution except for paper theories that amount to garbage.

    If evolution were true, all animals would not have 2 eyes, 1 nose, 2 ears, 2 lungs, in fact we would be evolving eyes on the back of heads and we would be covered with new life trying to evolve into something useful. For Eyes and Hearts and all these things to just happen by chance????? Billions of wrong and non useful life would have to be forming at over a billion times a billion rate of life that has a function in order for just one of these to have happened by chance to be something useful.
    It is proven that we have a very delicate ecosystem. Thousands of animals are becoming extinct. Many countries like the Dominican Republic where Jurassic Park was filmed have no domestic animals left. And yet nothing has evolved in the last 6000 years. Yet we have a crisis like in the gulf and worldwide where animals are disappearing at alarming rates. YOU EVOLUTIONISTS need to wake up as even the world will tell you we are running out of time here on earth and the 12,000 years combined (forward and backward) that we know of, EVOLUTION IS A WORTHLESS RELIGION. And a non issue if this fairy tail were true.
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  • suejkw Scott T... 2013/05/05 22:30:20
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    So some 'god' 'created' everything? Nonsense.A rib cannot 'become' a human.Science has PROVEN THAT.We do not know positively how the world & humanity came into being.Why invent a 'god' myth? We ARE related to apes & monkeys thru DNA.They have family structures similar to humans.They can be taught sign language & can use it independently.Mary had sex with somebody.Pregnancy cannot occur otherwise.The bible can be proven wrong.Religious people seem to be indoctrinated like robots.
  • elijahin24 2012/07/29 21:43:36
    This is my thoughts on religion and the common man..
    elijahin24
    +3
    Seneca nailed it.
  • Lefty 2012/07/29 21:40:00
    This is my thoughts on religion and rulers..
    Lefty
    +1
    Whether the religious right truly believes or not, they find it very useful. Not sure this time around though with a Mormon.
  • xcide13 2012/07/29 21:06:09
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    xcide13
    +1
    I don't put any stock in religion. My faith in God will suffice.
  • suejkw xcide13 2012/08/20 15:36:14
    suejkw
    +1
    God itself is a myth.
  • xcide13 suejkw 2012/08/21 00:01:40
    xcide13
    suejkw is a myth in which i do not believe...
  • TrudyGirl 2012/07/29 17:50:19
    This is my thoughts on religion and rulers..
    TrudyGirl
    +7
    When I first moved to Atlanta and was working for a 1% person I was asked by the CEO of the main company what my religion was. My comment was I was raised Presbyterian but do not participate since I got old enough to reason. He said you need to join the Peachtree Presbyterian because that is where the movers and shakers go.. I replied I do not "do religion" to get ahead in the world and he said this is the South and it would be good for your career to get involved. I rest my case.
  • xcide13 TrudyGirl 2012/07/29 21:06:57
    xcide13
    I don't understand what case you were making...
  • TrudyGirl xcide13 2012/07/31 18:44:58
    TrudyGirl
    +1
    sorry you missed it the others understood.
  • xcide13 TrudyGirl 2012/08/02 14:34:37
    xcide13
    You weren't making an argument but simply relating an incident with your employer.
  • TrudyGirl xcide13 2012/08/07 20:40:52
    TrudyGirl
    +1
    again, you missed the point. It is not the religion that brings them to church but the business contacts. Is that why you go to church? if it is you need to rethink your position.
  • xcide13 TrudyGirl 2012/08/08 12:55:11
    xcide13
    You did not relate your story to the question...that is why i didn't understand the point you were trying to make. And you still continue to refer to your position as if i should know...what am i missing here?

    Are you comparing a business owner with the ruling class?

    I'm only asking that you clarify your original statement in regards to the question asked.
  • NightOf... TrudyGirl 2012/08/13 07:22:52
    NightOfTheFox
    +1
    you can find a submissive wife in church too. one who knows her place.
  • TrudyGirl NightOf... 2012/08/14 20:39:55
    TrudyGirl
    +2
    yet another reason not to go. I am anything but submissive.
  • NightOf... TrudyGirl 2012/08/15 12:08:21
    NightOfTheFox
    +2
    Amen woman!
  • Giantfan 2012/07/29 17:26:51
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    Giantfan
    +2
    My thoughts exactly even though I believe in Jesus and God, the clergy use religion to get what they want and the government uses it to their benifit.
  • J.MaisOui 2012/07/29 17:03:53
    This is my thoughts on religion and the common man..
    J.MaisOui
    +3
    He's absolutely correct...and religion is big business,as well.
  • Racefish 2012/07/29 17:01:31
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    Racefish
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    Religion can be used for good or evil. People who want power use it to subjugate the masses. Stalin used it to eliminate his foes. The same thought process applies to Hitler, Mao, and other totalitarians. The reason for this is to eliminate the possibility of hope fr a better future and to engender total reliance on the state.
  • Sissy 2012/07/29 16:58:07
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    Sissy
    +6
    I NEVER believe religion and politics go together in any year, but I have this teeny, tiny feeling we're going to hear much less of it this year, given the angst that many people have about a certain Faith of a certain candidate.
  • xcide13 Sissy 2012/07/29 21:07:46
    xcide13
    +1
    Both candidates...
  • Sissy xcide13 2012/07/30 12:14:48
    Sissy
    +4
    One candidate is Christian, one candidate is Mormon. The Christian candidate has never brought up the lack of Christianity in the other, while the surrogates of the Mormon snidely slips it in where ever possible. Go figure.
  • xcide13 Sissy 2012/07/30 14:04:10
    xcide13
    Obama's faith has been questioned because his actions reflect a complete lack thereof.
  • Sissy xcide13 2012/08/08 00:09:37
    Sissy
    +2
    Only by those who hate him.
  • TrudyGirl Sissy 2012/08/15 20:45:29
    TrudyGirl
    +2
    Thanks Sissy..xcide knows nothing about his religion except what he has been led to believe. It makes no difference about a candidates religion or lack there of. It is about his politics and everyone accepts the fact that religion and politics do not match.

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