A US border agent was shot and killed by one of the weapons. I think this was intentional so they could show that a large percentage of guns in Mexico were coming from the US so they could pass some sort of gun control laws except it backfired and now the Feds are caught.
Never trust the government.
Were you aware the ATF put thousands of semi-automatic guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels?
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Thankfully, both Democrat and Republican members of the House are calling upon the Obama Administration to be forthcoming with who initiated the failed plan named "Fast and Furious" which sent thousands of semi-automatic weapons across the border into the hands of Mexican drug cartels PURPOSELY! Those who initiated this disastrous idea need to accept responsibility now!!!
Please read the attached link to learn about the investigation then comment.
Please read the attached link to learn about the investigation then comment.
Read More: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/269148/issa...
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Slade 2011/06/11 14:40:09Yes, I knew about it.






















I think its a stratagy to keep the profitable " War on Drug's" going , Buy both government agency's like the ATF and the Mexican Drug Cartel..
Both have alot of money invested in its operation.
Is it a surprise that with so many people calling for a end to "War on drugs" and "Marijuana prohabition".
That all this is happening.?
That would be alot of lost revenue coming in for the both sides..
It wouldn't be good for business for either side if they lost that revenue.
It's turned most Americans into obedient sheep and turned our peace keepers into the standing army the Founding Fathers were so worried about.
Stupid people.
Go figure.
It's funny how Americans get shocked every time they hear something like this but honestly our governments and big companies have been doing this for hundreds of years and they will continue to do so for hundreds of years. If you're going to have a go at Obama for this then you need to ask yourself how much power you think your president actually has.
The only thing I can find that I disagree with what you have written is about Batista. The US government were trying to help Batista, they were trying to prevent the emergence of Communism in Cuba and all over the world. Why would the US try to put a Communist government in power just off its coast?
"Consider this:we elect the politicians who go to D.C.(democracy).But,as soon as these guys get elected,they do what THEY want to do! THAT'S called ANARCHY!" - that is not anarchy, its called a "representative democracy." Anarchy is a total lack of government/authority altogether. What the populations of most countries actually want is "direct democracy". To my knowledge, the country coming closest to that description is Switzerland so it is possible. But that is not what countries like the US or the UK has, despite purporting to be democratic and free countries.
The fact of the matter is, the people at the top are always going to abuse their positions of power unless fundamental change is evoked. Those with the power to do something ar...
"Consider this:we elect the politicians who go to D.C.(democracy).But,as soon as these guys get elected,they do what THEY want to do! THAT'S called ANARCHY!" - that is not anarchy, its called a "representative democracy." Anarchy is a total lack of government/authority altogether. What the populations of most countries actually want is "direct democracy". To my knowledge, the country coming closest to that description is Switzerland so it is possible. But that is not what countries like the US or the UK has, despite purporting to be democratic and free countries.
The fact of the matter is, the people at the top are always going to abuse their positions of power unless fundamental change is evoked. Those with the power to do something are too corrupt to change things. So we should stop pretending like this sort of thing doesn't happen all the time, or at least stop being surprised when we find out it does occur, time after time.
PHOENIX — The Mexican agents who moved in on a safe house full of drug dealers last May were not prepared for the fire power that greeted them.
When the shooting was over, eight agents were dead. Among the guns the police recovered was an assault rifle traced back across the border to a dingy gun store here called X-Caliber Guns.
Now, the owner, George Iknadosian, will go on trial on charges he sold hundreds of weapons, mostly AK-47 rifles, to smugglers, knowing they would send them to a drug cartel in the western state of Sinaloa. The guns helped fuel the gang warfare in which more than 6,000 Mexicans died last year.
Mexican authorities have long complained that American gun dealers are arming the cartels. This case is the most prominent prosecution of an American gun dealer since the United States promised Mexico two years ago it would clamp down on the smuggling of weapons across the border. It also offers a rare glimpse of how weapons delivered to American gun dealers are being moved into Mexico and wielded in horrific crimes.
“We had a direct pipeline from Iknadosian to the Sinaloa cartel,” said Thomas G. Mangan, a spokesman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Phoenix.
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PHOENIX — The Mexican agents who moved in on a safe house full of drug dealers last May were not prepared for the fire power that greeted them.
When the shooting was over, eight agents were dead. Among the guns the police recovered was an assault rifle traced back across the border to a dingy gun store here called X-Caliber Guns.
Now, the owner, George Iknadosian, will go on trial on charges he sold hundreds of weapons, mostly AK-47 rifles, to smugglers, knowing they would send them to a drug cartel in the western state of Sinaloa. The guns helped fuel the gang warfare in which more than 6,000 Mexicans died last year.
Mexican authorities have long complained that American gun dealers are arming the cartels. This case is the most prominent prosecution of an American gun dealer since the United States promised Mexico two years ago it would clamp down on the smuggling of weapons across the border. It also offers a rare glimpse of how weapons delivered to American gun dealers are being moved into Mexico and wielded in horrific crimes.
“We had a direct pipeline from Iknadosian to the Sinaloa cartel,” said Thomas G. Mangan, a spokesman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Phoenix.
Drug gangs seek out guns in the United States because the gun-control laws are far tougher in Mexico. Mexican civilians must get approval from the military to buy guns and they cannot own large-caliber rifles or high-powered pistols, which are considered military weapons.
The ease with which Mr. Iknadosian and two other men transported weapons to Mexico over a two-year period illustrates just how difficult it is to stop the illicit trade, law enforcement officials here say.
The gun laws in the United States allow the sale of multiple military-style rifles to American citizens without reporting the sales to the government, and the Mexicans search relatively few cars and trucks going south across their border.
What is more, the sheer volume of licensed dealers — more than 6,600 along the border alone, many of them operating out of their houses — makes policing them a tall order. Currently the A.T.F. has about 200 agents assigned to the task.
Smugglers routinely enlist Americans with clean criminal records to buy two or three rifles at a time, often from different shops, then transport them across the border in cars and trucks, often secreting them in door panels or under the hood, law enforcement officials here say. Some of the smuggled weapons are also bought from private individuals at gun shows, and the law requires no notification of the authorities in those cases.
“We can move against the most outrageous purveyors of arms to Mexico, but the characteristic of the arms trade is it’s a ‘parade of ants’ — it’s not any one big dealer, it’s lots of individuals,” said Arizona’s attorney general, Terry Goddard, who is prosecuting Mr. Iknadosian. “That makes it very hard to detect because it’s often below the radar.”
The Mexican government began to clamp down on drug cartels in late 2006, unleashing a war that daily deposits dozens of bodies — often gruesomely tortured — on Mexico’s streets. President Felipe Calderón has characterized the stream of smuggled weapons as one of the most significant threats to security in his country. The Mexican authorities say they seized 20,000 weapons from drug gangs in 2008, the majority bought in the United States.
The authorities in the United States say they do not know how many firearms are transported across the border each year, in part because the federal government does not track gun sales and traces only weapons used in crimes. But A.T.F. officials estimate 90 percent of the weapons recovered in Mexico come from dealers north of the border.
In 2007, the firearms agency traced 2,400 weapons seized in Mexico back to dealers in the United States, and 1,800 of those came from dealers operating in the four states along the border, with Texas first, followed by California, Arizona and New Mexico.
Mr. Iknadosian is accused of being one of those dealers. So brazen was his operation that the smugglers paid him in advance for the guns and the straw buyers merely filled out the required paperwork and carried the weapons off, according to A.T.F. investigative reports. The agency said Mr. Iknadosian also sold several guns to undercover agents who had explicitly informed him that they intended to resell them in Mexico.
Mr. Iknadosian, 47, will face trial on March 3 on charges including fraud, conspiracy and assisting a criminal syndicate. His lawyer, Thomas M. Baker, declined to comment on the charges, but said Mr. Iknadosian maintained his innocence. No one answered the telephone at Mr. Iknadosian’s home in Glendale, Ariz.
A native of Egypt who spent much of his life in California, Mr. Iknadosian moved his gun-selling operation to Arizona in 2004, because the gun laws were more lenient, prosecutors said.
Totally different than an individual doing it.
Just FYI, that 90% number is bogus. http://www.factcheck.org/poli... points out how difficult to come up with a meaningful number there. I don't make any claims about the site's accuracy or political bias--this is the first time I remember running across it. This particular article seems to have bent over backward to be unbiased, though.
No users = no market = no money = no drug cartels = no gun sales to cartels = job losses in USA
I suspect you're correct about the drug funding, but I won't argue without knowing more about drug use around the globe. I suppose we could always invoke the death penalty like China, or impose *really* harsh restrictions like in various Muslim countries.
But we already have the highest prison population on the planet (both per capita and in absolute terms) because of our drug war.
Your equation is absolutely wrong, BTW. The drug war creates false restrictions on the supply. The demand has remained pretty much the same (though it's shifted toward "harder" drugs, exactly the same way as Prohibition I shifted America's tastes from wine and beer to hard liquor). It's driven prices up.
Remove the supply restriction. Prices plummet. Drug cartels go away. It might result in US job losses, but it absolutely would reduce prison populations and the senseless deaths of innocents.
The demand will not go away.
Drug use will not increase or decrease.
Stop arming rebel armies around the world and US arms will not end up in the hands of drug dealers and terrorists to be used against US personell
the internet is a great tool to get real time news and information from so I wonder why Obama is looking into regulate how news is reported online???