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WankerBait 2012/06/12 14:27:46
NO, the bills have all been laden with special interest provisions knowing they'd never pass
Yes, all the Republican bills would create jobs as introduced
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Excerpt: Republicans are basing their entire re-election strategy on pinning the
blame for the residual effects of their own failed policies on President
Obama. They repeatedly claim that President Obama’s economic policies
have failed, but the fact is, Obama’s policies weren’t ever really
enacted. Thanks to the GOP’s strategy of sustained hostage taking over
nearly every single piece of legislation, the GOP still owns our
economic policy.

Look first at total government spending — federal, state and local.
Adjusted for population growth and inflation, such spending has recently
been falling at a rate not seen since the demobilization that followed
the Korean War.

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The author reports that there have been zero actual jobs bills submitted by the Republican Congress. Do you agree?

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  • will 2012/06/13 09:09:21
    I have another opinion
    will
    Government can't create a jobs
    can only make it easier or harder to do business
  • David Lindner 2012/06/12 15:56:02
  • Schläue~© 2012/06/12 15:04:31
    Yes, all the Republican bills would create jobs as introduced
    Schläue~©
    +1
    I'm guessing the 'author' doesn't understand the concept that govt. only 'creates' more govt,. jobs and the proper way to create economy boosting jobs is to pass legislation that allows private enterprise to function without govt. interference, create the need for more employees, expand facilities and do it all over again.

    Putting out proposals as 0bozo has, to throw borrowed money at pipe dreams and increase the number of public service personnel, doesn't do a thing for the economy.
    It creates temporary jobs in companies going bankrupt within the first year, and increases our expenditures in future public union pensions. How does any of that improve the economy?

    The author also ignores the $Trillion already spent that didn't come close to what 0bozo claimed it would do with unemployment averages for the past three years being , 2009 - 9.3%, 2010 - 9.6% and 2011 - 8.9%.

    So here we are four years later hearing the same worn out campaign speeches of 2008 and the same promises that he has all the answers but just needs more money, and of course...... give him more time.
  • Morning... Schläue~© 2012/06/12 15:21:34
    Morningstar
    +1
    actually private sector has been shipping their jobs overseas because there they can exploit workers because there are few laws and unions to protect them. In addtion, Romney has been proven to NOT be a job creator - his bottom line is making money!
  • Schläue~© Morning... 2012/06/12 15:41:48
    Schläue~©
    +1
    Who.... GM which builds 7 of every 10 vehicles over-seas? They will be known as CM .. aka China Motors within a few years.
    GE, who doesn't even manufacture appliances and electronics in the USA any longer, nor did they pay a dime in taxes?
  • WankerBait Schläue~© 2012/06/12 15:24:17
    WankerBait
    Demand creates jobs. Additional profits for corporations does not "create the need for jobs". Corporate profits are already at or near their all-time highs. So, if your premise is correct, where are the jobs?

    The POTUS' push for funding of public service jobs is not to increase the rolls as you so erroneously suggest, but to maintain the levels that were before the Republican Great Recession (RGR) of 2008. All pertinent data suggests the efforts by this administration did in fact reduce the effects of the RGR on unemployment...
  • Schläue~© WankerBait 2012/06/12 15:55:39 (edited)
    Schläue~©
    +1
    Of course demand creates jobs. That's a no brainer, but that includes worldwide demand and once the ridiculous business regulations, EPA restrictions and highest corporate tax rate are dealt with, businesses in the USA will be far more competitive, globally and can return many jobs to the U.S. such as Caterpillar recently has.

    Govt. pensions were our largest expenditure in 2011 at over $900Billion out of the Federal budget (which we haven't had one since April 2009) They are projected to hit 16% in 2012 and top the $1 Trillion mark.

    Do we have houses burning out of control in our neighborhoods?
    Are people put on a waiting list when they call 911?
    Are they told an officer will be on the way as soon as the next one is available?
    Are kids being turned away from the public indoctrination system because the glorified baby-sitters cannot handle more than 20 at a time?

    Obviously, you have no idea when the seeds for the recession and orchestrated housing market collapse were planted and how it all happened.
  • WankerBait Schläue~© 2012/06/12 19:23:39
    WankerBait
    Again, your right-wing rhetoric against the EPA, corporate taxes being the highest (on paper only) while they're actually paying the lowest effective tax rates in decades, and the fact that most business contends that regulations do not determine their hiring practices proves nothing other than your ideological adherence. You again contend that putting more money in the hands of business will magically "create the need for jobs" while in fact nothing you propose will increase demand. It's merely ideological blather.

    I challenge your assertion that pensions cost the US govt. over $900 billion in 2011. Please cite your source.

    I absolutely have a very clear understanding of just how Republican legislative initiatives laid the groundwork for and perpetuated the RGR. Of course spineless Democrats were complicit ...

    Now, to your inane questions:
    - Do we have houses burning out of control in our neighborhoods? Yes
    http://www.firehouse.com/news...

    - Are people put on a waiting list when they call 911? Yes
    Google "911 puts caller on hold"

    - Are they told an officer will be on the way as soon as the next one is available? Yes. as a matter of policy:

    Priorities for dispatching incidents are officially classified from 1 to 4, as follows:
    1 top priority, dispatch immediately; emergencies, potenti...




    Again, your right-wing rhetoric against the EPA, corporate taxes being the highest (on paper only) while they're actually paying the lowest effective tax rates in decades, and the fact that most business contends that regulations do not determine their hiring practices proves nothing other than your ideological adherence. You again contend that putting more money in the hands of business will magically "create the need for jobs" while in fact nothing you propose will increase demand. It's merely ideological blather.

    I challenge your assertion that pensions cost the US govt. over $900 billion in 2011. Please cite your source.

    I absolutely have a very clear understanding of just how Republican legislative initiatives laid the groundwork for and perpetuated the RGR. Of course spineless Democrats were complicit ...

    Now, to your inane questions:
    - Do we have houses burning out of control in our neighborhoods? Yes
    http://www.firehouse.com/news...

    - Are people put on a waiting list when they call 911? Yes
    Google "911 puts caller on hold"

    - Are they told an officer will be on the way as soon as the next one is available? Yes. as a matter of policy:

    Priorities for dispatching incidents are officially classified from 1 to 4, as follows:
    1 top priority, dispatch immediately; emergencies, potential emergencies or urgent calls
    2 important, dispatch as soon as possible; cold reports of crimes, tows
    3 routine, dispatch when possible; parking matters with no tow, abandoned autos
    4 very routine; dispatch when possible

    -Are kids being turned away from the public indoctrination system because the glorified baby-sitters cannot handle more than 20 at a time? No, because kids cannot be denied a public education by law.
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  • Schläue~© WankerBait 2012/06/12 20:22:35
    Schläue~©
    A wealth of info on this site which is compiled by using figures from OMB.

    http://www.usgovernmentspendi...

    Cherry-picked link? Did you even bother to read it?
    This was a non story last year and so is the one here that has nothing to do with lack of personnel, rather the landowner not paying the fee.for extended service outside the city limits.
    One does have to know about the area they choose to live.
    If you'll notice, the fire dept. was right there watching the house bun to the ground making sure any adjacent properties who did pay the fee were unaffected.
    Tuff beans.

    Again, I'm not wasting my time searching the Internet for a handful of 911 dispatcher mistakes & blunders out of the millions of properly handled calls every year. Chronic stupidity has nothing to do with lack of personnel. There are unqualified people in many jobs thanks to affirmative action.

    I know exactly what 911 procedure is and certainly didn't request nor require your lesson. Police Have had response codes for decades. In your 1-4 example, only the first category would apply to the proper use of a 911 emergency call and all other instances should have been calls made to the local Police/Sheriff on the non-emergency line.
  • WankerBait Schläue~© 2012/06/12 21:27:33
    WankerBait
    The $978.2 billion figure is for federal, state, and local expenditures.

    - Social Security accounts for $730,8 billion of your "pension" figure. We both know SS is self sustaining, is directly funded from payroll taxes, accrues interest and should not count toward federal expenditures.
    - $124.5 billion of your "pension" figure is for federal government pension funds
    - $164.8 billion of your "pension" figure is for state government pension funds.
    - $37.9 billion of you "pension" figures for local government pension funds.

    True, as a nation we expend a trillion dollars per year on pensions - so what. Citizens participated in and earned their pension. Just throwing out data wilily-nilly leads to a perverse representation of the facts.

    - Peace
  • Contarded Guru Chickenhawk 2012/06/12 14:57:41
  • zbacku 2012/06/12 14:49:18
    Yes, all the Republican bills would create jobs as introduced
    zbacku
    +1
    The “Forgotten Fifteen”

    1) H.R. 872—Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act: The bill would amend the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA) to clarify that the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) or a state may not require a permit under the Federal Water Pollution Control Act for the application of pesticides regulated under FIFRA. By removing duplicative requirements, the bill would reduce overlapping and unnecessary regulation on pesticides that are already regulated, thereby reducing costs to both farmers and small business owners.



    2) H.R. 910—Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011: H.R. 910 would prohibit the EPA from regulating greenhouse gases to address climate change under the Clean Air Act. More specifically, the bill would prohibit the EPA from regulating: water vapor; carbon dioxide; methane; nitrous oxide; and any other substance subject to regulation, action or consideration under the Clean Air Act to address climate change. The bill would prevent a needless increase in energy prices for American households and businesses.



    3) H.J.Res. 37—Disapproving the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission with respect to regulating the Internet and broadband industry practices: The bill would prohibit the Fed...























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    The “Forgotten Fifteen”

    1) H.R. 872—Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act: The bill would amend the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA) to clarify that the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) or a state may not require a permit under the Federal Water Pollution Control Act for the application of pesticides regulated under FIFRA. By removing duplicative requirements, the bill would reduce overlapping and unnecessary regulation on pesticides that are already regulated, thereby reducing costs to both farmers and small business owners.



    2) H.R. 910—Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011: H.R. 910 would prohibit the EPA from regulating greenhouse gases to address climate change under the Clean Air Act. More specifically, the bill would prohibit the EPA from regulating: water vapor; carbon dioxide; methane; nitrous oxide; and any other substance subject to regulation, action or consideration under the Clean Air Act to address climate change. The bill would prevent a needless increase in energy prices for American households and businesses.



    3) H.J.Res. 37—Disapproving the rule submitted by the Federal Communications Commission with respect to regulating the Internet and broadband industry practices: The bill would prohibit the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) from implementing a net-neutrality rule which would prohibit Internet providers from slowing or blocking legal websites or Internet services because of concerns over bandwidth. In May 2010, seventy-four House Democrats sent a letter to FCC Chairman Genachowski making the case that net-neutrality rules will “jeopardize jobs” and “should not be done without additional direction from Congress.”



    4) H.R. 1230—Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act: H.R. 1230 would require the Department of the Interior (DOI) to auction offshore oil and gas leases in the Central and Western Gulf of Mexico, as well as in an area off the coast of Virginia. The bill would help to reduce energy prices and promote job creation by expediting offshore oil and natural gas exploration in the Gulf of Mexico and the Virginia coast.



    5) H.R. 1229—Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act: H.R. 1229 would direct the Secretary of the Interior to require that any lessee operating under an approved exploration plan obtain a permit before drilling any well, and obtain a new permit before drilling any well of a design that is significantly different than the design for which an existing permit was issued. The bill would prohibit the Secretary from issuing a permit without ensuring that the proposed drilling operations meet all critical safety system requirements (including blowout prevention), and oil spill response and containment requirements.



    6) H.R. 1231—Reversing President Obama's Offshore Moratorium Act: H.R. 1231 would require that each five-year offshore oil and gas leasing program offer leasing in the areas with the most prospective oil and gas resources, and would establish a domestic oil and natural gas production goal. The bill would essentially lift the President's ban on new offshore drilling by requiring the Administration to move forward on American energy production in areas estimated to contain the most oil and natural gas resources.



    7) H.R. 2021—The Jobs and Energy Permitting Act of 2011: H.R. 2021 would eliminate needless permitting delays that have stalled important energy production opportunities off the coast of Alaska. The bill would also eliminate the permitting back-and-forth that occurs between the EPA and its Environmental Appeals Board. Rather than having exploration air permits repeatedly approved and rescinded by the agency and its review board, the EPA will be required to take final action – granting or denying a permit—within six months.



    8) H.R. 2018—Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act of 2011: H.R. 2018 would a restrict the EPA ability to issue a revised or new water quality standard for a pollutant whenever a state has adopted and EPA already has approved a water quality standard for that pollutant, unless the state concurs with the EPA Administrator’s determination that the revised or new standard is necessary to meet the requirements of the Clean Water Act. The bill would prevent unilateral actions by the EPA that second-guess the decisions of the state regulatory agency.



    9) H.R. 1315—Consumer Financial Protection & Soundness Improvement Act: H.R. 1315 would improve consumer protection and provides greater economic stability by allowing the Financial Stability Oversight Council to vote to set aside any harmful federal regulation.



    10) H.R. 1938— North American-Made Energy Security Act: H.R. 1938 would direct the President, acting through the Secretary of Energy, to coordinate with all federal agencies responsible for an aspect of the President's National Interest Determination and Presidential Permit decision regarding construction and operation of Keystone XL, to ensure that all necessary actions are taken on an expedited schedule. The bill would promote job creation and energy security by ending the needless delay of the construction and operation of the Keystone XL pipeline.



    11) H.R. 2587—Protecting Jobs From Government Interference Act: H.R. 2587 would prohibit the National Labor Relations Board (NRLB) from ordering any employer to close, relocate, or transfer employment under any circumstance.



    12) H.R. 2401—Transparency In Regulatory Analysis Of Impacts On The Nation: H.R. 2401 would require analyses of the cumulative and incremental impacts of certain rules and actions of the Environmental EPA. Specifically, the bill would require the President to establish the Committee for the Cumulative Analysis of Regulations that Impact Energy and Manufacturing. The Committee would be charged with analyzing and reporting on the cumulative and incremental impacts of covered rules and actions of the EPA concerning air, waste, water, and climate change. The bill would establish the interagency committee to evaluate the economic impacts of EPA regulations and delay the final dates for both the maximum achievable control technology (Utility MACT) standards and the cross-state air pollution rule (CSAPR) until the full impact has been studied. Both regulations would cost consumers and businesses $184 billion from 2011-2030 and would cause electrical prices to skyrocket.



    13) H.R. 2681—Cement Sector Regulatory Relief Act: H.R. 2681 would provide a legislative stay of three EPA emissions standards that apply to cement manufacturing plants and are known as the “Cement MACT rules.” The bill would also provide for the implementation of effective regulation that protects communities both environmentally and economically.



    14) H.R. 2250—EPA Regulatory Relief Act: H.R. 2250 would provide a legislative stay of four interrelated EPA rules, commonly referred to as the “Boiler MACT rules,” that govern emissions of mercury and other hazardous air pollutants from approximately 200,000 boilers and incinerators nationwide. The bill would remove this excessive regulatory burden placed on employers by the EPA’s Boiler MACT rules, potentially costing companies $14 billion and 224,000 American jobs, and replace them with sensible, achievable rules that do not destroy jobs.



    15) H.R. 2273—Coal Residuals Reuse and Management Act: H.R. 2273 would utilize the framework and requirements of an existing federal regulatory program developed by the EPA under the Solid Waste Disposal Act (RCRA) as the basis for enforceable minimum federal standards for the regulation of a waste stream known as coal ash. The bill would include enforceable federal standards, but would leave regulation and enforcement to the states. The bill would also provide consistent, safe management of coal combustion residuals in a way that protects jobs and encourages recycling and beneficial use.



    And Still Counting…



    16) H.R. 2433—Veterans Opportunity to Work Act: H.R. 2433 would create or modify programs that provide employment and training services to veterans and service members separating from active duty. The bill would also make changes to programs that offer home loan guarantees, ambulance services, and pension payments to qualifying individuals. Among other things, the bill would provide up to 12 months of Veterans Retraining Assistance to no more than 100,000 unemployed veterans that enter education or training programs at community colleges or technical schools to prepare them for employment in an occupational field that is determined by Department of Labor to have significant employment opportunities.



    17) H.R. 674—To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the imposition of 3 percent withholding on certain payments made to vendors by government entities: H.R. 674 would permanently repeal the imposition of 3 percent withholding on certain payments made to vendors by government entities. Currently, the imposition of the 3 percent withholding is set to take effect on January 1, 2013. If the 3 percent withholding tax were implemented as scheduled, government entities would be required to withhold 3 percent of payments to persons providing property or services to the government. For example, on an invoice for $20,000 the government would pay the business $19,400 and withhold $600 as a preemptive tax. These added costs would almost certainly translate into fewer private-sector jobs and higher costs for the government and taxpayers.



    18) H.Con.Res. 34—Budget for Fiscal Year 2012: The FY 2012 budget resolution passed by House Republicans promotes job creation and certainty by preventing the president’s job destroying tax increases and runaway spending.
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  • zbacku zbacku 2012/06/12 14:51:29
    zbacku
    +1
    The fact that any bill passed in the House is voted down by the Democrat controlled Senate seems to be overlooked
  • WankerBait zbacku 2012/06/12 15:35:47
    WankerBait
    +1
    The fact these bills were presented by the Republican Congress, knowing they would be voted down by the Senate, seems to be what's being overlooked.
  • WankerBait zbacku 2012/06/12 15:15:15
  • Morning... zbacku 2012/06/12 15:24:00
    Morningstar
    +1
    don't believe the republicans have the best interests of the public at heart!
  • Odinsown 2012/06/12 14:31:56
    I have another opinion
    Odinsown
    +2
    The bills submitted by both parties are a joke, fact is government can't create private sector jobs.
  • WankerBait Odinsown 2012/06/12 14:46:18
    WankerBait
    +3
    Agreed. Demand is the only creator of jobs growth, and we have reduced demand as people hunker-down ...
  • auron 2012/06/12 14:31:42
    I have another opinion
    auron
    +3
    We are living in a collapsing economy. The current economic system is a pyramid scheme, I don't care who is in office, it isa system of infinite growth and destined to collapse.
  • Schläue~© auron 2012/06/12 15:10:23
    Schläue~©
    +1
    NO, govt. pensions are the pyramid scheme and the addition of more govt. employees exacerbates the problem.
    Our largest item of the annual budget (which we haven't had since April 2009) is pensions which accounted for 17% of spending in 2011 costing over $900Billion.
    The 2012 projections are off the charts, taking us over the $1Trillion mark.
  • Morning... Schläue~© 2012/06/12 15:26:54
    Morningstar
    +1
    public workers deserve pensions!
  • Schläue~© Morning... 2012/06/12 18:12:01
    Schläue~©
    +1
    Everyone deserves a pension of some sort when they've given 20-30-40 years of loyal service at their job.

    Can you explain why a retiring General from our Armed Forces gets about $186,000 per year and a librarian scores $212,000 ?

    Have any idea how long it takes to get that first star and how few Generals there are compared to the garden variety librarian?

    Let's see ..... command a company or battalion of troops vs helping me find a book.

    Hmmmm ?
  • WankerBait Schläue~© 2012/06/12 19:26:46
    WankerBait
    Let's get some supporting info for your assertion.

    You do understand that the General's pay is not a pension, but rather a retainer - don't you?
  • auron Schläue~© 2012/06/12 17:38:50
    auron
    There is more to the problem then just pensions.



    Until you change the way money works, you change nothing.-Micheal C.Ruppert
  • Morning... auron 2012/06/12 15:25:58
    Morningstar
    +1
    I'm not that much of a pesimist - the whole world is facing economic issues - we need to ride it out...
  • auron Morning... 2012/06/12 17:40:16
    auron
    Sorry if I don't share your optimisim, let me know when you hit the bottom of the cliff.

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