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Was the Supreme Court's Decision on Arizona's Immigration Law Appropriate or Unjust?

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The Supreme Court has finally come to a decision concerning Arizona's controversial immigration laws, put into effect in 2010. They struck down most aspects of the law, chiefly those dealing with how illegal immigrants are punished. However, the Court upheld the most controversial part of law -- the part that requires officers to check immigration status at lawful stops under reasonable suspicion.

Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote, "The national government has significant power to regulate immigration. Arizona may have understandable frustrations with the problems caused by illegal immigration while that process continues, but the state may not pursue policies that undermined federal law." Do you think the Supreme Court handled the case appropriately? Or did it use its power unfairly?

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  • Lord Emperor of Dune 2012/06/25 21:12:01
    Appropriate
    Lord Emperor of Dune
    +21
    It's appropriate that they check, but unjust that they aren't just dumped back out into the desert. Every dollar we spend mollycoddling illegals is a dollar that could be spent on an American in need. Why don't we treat illegals like they are illegal?

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  • Defend ... (▪‿▪)Do... 2012/06/26 00:48:41
    Defend Western Civlization
    +3
    Illegal 'Immigrant' Admits Plot to Bomb US Capitol...
    http://www.washingtonpost.com...
  • k fleming (▪‿▪)Do... 2012/06/26 01:10:28
    k fleming
    +4
    This has nothing to do with isolationism! It has everything to do with being choosy about who comes in! Are they going to be productive members of their new country? Or are they going to be lawbreakers with no allegiance to this country?
    The fact remains, they broke the law not going through channels to get here, and continue to break the law being here!
  • ☆ Queen... (▪‿▪)Do... 2012/06/26 01:41:37 (edited)
    ☆ QueenAline
    +3
    yes.........you are right...America is made of immigrants LEGAL IMMIGRANTS...What is it you don't get about that? LEGAL IMMIGRANTS are welcomed...ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS are ILLEGAL
    WAKE UP
  • Debowman (▪‿▪)Do... 2012/06/26 02:23:56
    Debowman
    back in the 18 century, I could carry a gun and shoot ANYONE who also had a gun, and it was legal, so maybe as we moved forward in time, the policies of the 17 and 18 century's just no longer apply. At what point do we understand this isn't a vast land with tons of resources and jobs for everyone in the world.
  • warkitten (▪‿▪)Do... 2012/06/26 18:42:35
    warkitten
    No...Americans are the future of America....not illegals
  • ChrisK1969 2012/06/26 00:27:34
  • Wesloco ChrisK1969 2012/06/26 01:35:15
    Wesloco
    No, those tat were stuck were not upheld because they infringed upon the separate roles of te state and the federal government. The part that was upheld simply allows officers to attempt to ascertain residency status of anyone they approach and if they verify that the individual may not have permission to be in the country they can turn them over to federal authorities. This was a good call by the court but I suspect that when the profiling begins even this section will be removed.
  • Magnus ... Wesloco 2012/06/27 19:05:04
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    [...]and if they verify that the individual may not have permission to be in the country they can turn them over to federal authorities."

    Oh really?

    http://www.washingtontimes.co...

    "The Obama administration said Monday it is suspending existing agreements with Arizona police over enforcement of federal immigration laws, and said it has issued a directive telling federal authorities to decline many of the calls reporting illegal immigrants that the Homeland Security Department may get from Arizona police." Yeah, try NONE of them will be answered.

    So, you were saying?
  • Wesloco Magnus ... 2012/06/27 23:35:38
    Wesloco
    ... as I said, they may turn them over to the federal authorities now if the Feds can't take them they can hold them at the local jails until they come for them, they have after all broken the law. See if AZ were really serious about this they could leave the immigration think out and just make it a felony to drive without a license punishable by let's say a year in jail and then after released they are delivered to ICE because they are convicted felons but of course that would inconvenience others so let's not bother with it-we're not serious about deporting people we only want to spew venom
  • Magnus ... ChrisK1969 2012/06/26 09:45:27
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    Yes they should have!

    Article 4, Section 4 "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence." & Amendment 10 "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." - notice that says NOTHING about 'unless federal government disagrees' etc.

    States sure as hell CAN uphold and enforce federal law when the federal Government WON'T do its job! And with CONSTITUTIONAL authority, which SUPERSEDES federal law!
  • ChrisK1969 Magnus ... 2012/06/27 15:46:48
  • Wesloco ChrisK1969 2012/06/27 23:36:53
    Wesloco
    Why don't you tell him Chris? You chicken? I see plumas! (-:
  • sick'n'tired 2012/06/26 00:21:40
    Appropriate
    sick'n'tired
    +5
    The Supreme Court upheld the constitution. It showed that some of the Arizona laws were already on the Federal books. It showed that this administration ignores our laws and is an abysmal failure. This administration is hell-bent on destroying America.
  • Wesloco sick'n'... 2012/06/26 01:37:40
    Wesloco
    That's the whole point, that the laws are on the books but te question is can states infringe upon the role of the federal government and the Court found that they can't.
  • sick'n'... Wesloco 2012/06/26 01:50:54
    sick'n'tired
    +3
    According to the SC, no they can't. More proof this administration is anti-American.
  • ☆ Queen... sick'n'... 2012/06/26 01:43:10
    ☆ QueenAline
    +2
    INDEED IT IS
  • ChrisK1969 sick'n'... 2012/06/26 02:03:54
  • Magnus ... sick'n'... 2012/06/26 09:40:56
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    Article 1, Section 8 "to establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization" (at 0bama's hands) & both Article 4, Section 4 "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence." & Amendment 10 "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people": violated, raped, and now dead by the hands of all.

    You're damn right, abysmal failure and hell-bent on destroying/"fundamentally changing" America.

    If ever there were a time to cede, it would be NOW.
  • Texas Johnny 2012/06/26 00:15:36
    Unjust
    Texas Johnny
    +4
    The other parts of the law that were struck down were identical to those Federal laws already on the books. The legal stop provision is open to be challenged in lower courts despite the fact that in other cases regarding evidence discovered during a lawful act of a peace officer has been admissible in court cases many more often than not. What the majority of justices on the SCOTUS are saying is that the state of Arizona is not a sovereign state but some sort of federal protectorate. Justice Scalia who wrote the minority opinion was correct.
  • Gwen 2012/06/25 23:54:52
    Appropriate
    Gwen
    at least for the most important aspect...

    can't do anything without determining this first.
  • sandra.hemmes 2012/06/25 23:53:22
    Appropriate
    sandra.hemmes
    We have to follow our Constitution. The Federal government is in charge of immigration. This is not a character judgment or a color judgment. It is the law.
  • Magnus ... sandra.... 2012/06/26 09:26:53 (edited)
    Magnus ☮ RP ☮ 2012 ☮
    First of all, as per Article 1, Section 8 {Powers of Congress}: “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” means exactly that, CONGRESS alone has the powers to establish a UNIFORM RULE (no exceptions) of Naturalization – NOT simply Immigration law, and not the supreme court, not the POTUS, but the CONGRESS with a majority 2/3rds of the House VOTE. And that is ALSO permitting ONLY that the majority of American Citizens approves, as it is CONGRESS’ unanimous DUTY to adhere to the will of We The People and to SERVE/REPRESENT us (not against us “for the greater good” as many seem to believe)!

    Further, “we have to follow our Constitution”… you mean like this?:

    Article 4, Section 4 {Republican Government} “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, AND SHALL PROTECT EACH OF THEM AGAINST INVASION; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.” [Emphasis mine]

    Or how about this?:

    Amendment 10 {Powers of the States and People}: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    Face it, the Supreme Court has just ruled AGAINST (IN CONTEMPT ...




    First of all, as per Article 1, Section 8 {Powers of Congress}: “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” means exactly that, CONGRESS alone has the powers to establish a UNIFORM RULE (no exceptions) of Naturalization – NOT simply Immigration law, and not the supreme court, not the POTUS, but the CONGRESS with a majority 2/3rds of the House VOTE. And that is ALSO permitting ONLY that the majority of American Citizens approves, as it is CONGRESS’ unanimous DUTY to adhere to the will of We The People and to SERVE/REPRESENT us (not against us “for the greater good” as many seem to believe)!

    Further, “we have to follow our Constitution”… you mean like this?:

    Article 4, Section 4 {Republican Government} “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, AND SHALL PROTECT EACH OF THEM AGAINST INVASION; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.” [Emphasis mine]

    Or how about this?:

    Amendment 10 {Powers of the States and People}: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    Face it, the Supreme Court has just ruled AGAINST (IN CONTEMPT OF) Article 4, Section 4 and Amendment 10. And the Federal Government itself as a whole has been ENTIRELY disregarding these (and many other) provisions for a very long time – far, far, far too long of a time. Not to mention 0bama’s latest stunt with backdoor Amnesty, outside of Congress, outside of the LIMITED powers granted to him through this very same Constitution.

    It is, collectively, DELIBERATE TREASON!


    So wonderful, Arizona police can still require the proof of legal citizenship status - but they still can't do anything about them because the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WON'T do their jobs and enforce their own laws on the books (especially Amendment 10, because THIS IS AN INVASION)! That's the problem here.
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  • k fleming 2012/06/25 23:52:53
    Appropriate
    k fleming
    +1
    If that's how Arizona wants to do it, the federal courts should for the most part, stay out of it.
    The Governor of Arizona stopped just short of saying she would consider secession if the feds pushed her sate around too much! And she would have been well within her rights to pursue that possibility if she could make the case that the invasion of illegals was harming her state!
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/06/25 23:36:14
    Unjust
    jackolantyrn356
    +5
    The other parts of the LAW were Cinstitutional too. My fear is that the Non-Obamma Lovers on the court are being threatened by The White Hoiuse in some way. I do not believe otherwise.
  • Phil 2012/06/25 23:30:08 (edited)
    Appropriate
    Phil
    +6
    If I am in a 'Foreign' country of which I am NOT a LEGAL citizen, I would expect to be required to show my identification, including any papers which grant me legal entry into that country, at the request of ANY government official. I also WOULD show such documentation, with pleasure, to ANY official at ANY time while my stay was still valid, and until I left that country. It would be NO problem for ME to show these papers and documents even every 15 minutes if needed, because I would be there 'LEGALLY'. This is the reason that the 'ILLEGALS', and those who support them, protest this law - Because 'ILLEGAL' means 'NOT LEGAL', and they want to be able to violate the law through THEIR extenuating circumstances for which they feel that they deserve preferential treatment.

    I could kill someone and then say, "Oh, officer, I had to shoot him because he wouldn't give me a job so that I could support my family." I would be in violation of a law for the murder. Does anyone really believe that an excuse like that would would hold up in court and allow me to go free? Just think of the lawlessness that would happen if people were allowed to break laws for ANY reason that they feel is justifiable, knowing that they would be set free.

    When a law is broken, you have done something 'ILLEGAL' an...





    If I am in a 'Foreign' country of which I am NOT a LEGAL citizen, I would expect to be required to show my identification, including any papers which grant me legal entry into that country, at the request of ANY government official. I also WOULD show such documentation, with pleasure, to ANY official at ANY time while my stay was still valid, and until I left that country. It would be NO problem for ME to show these papers and documents even every 15 minutes if needed, because I would be there 'LEGALLY'. This is the reason that the 'ILLEGALS', and those who support them, protest this law - Because 'ILLEGAL' means 'NOT LEGAL', and they want to be able to violate the law through THEIR extenuating circumstances for which they feel that they deserve preferential treatment.

    I could kill someone and then say, "Oh, officer, I had to shoot him because he wouldn't give me a job so that I could support my family." I would be in violation of a law for the murder. Does anyone really believe that an excuse like that would would hold up in court and allow me to go free? Just think of the lawlessness that would happen if people were allowed to break laws for ANY reason that they feel is justifiable, knowing that they would be set free.

    When a law is broken, you have done something 'ILLEGAL' and should be penalized in some fashion. It should not matter that you have to be caught in the act of another violated law before you are detected as an illegal alien, since that is a violation in its self. If doing something 'ILLEGAL' is not to be punished no matter how you are found out or how the discovery of your violation is made, why even have the law in the first place? We should just open our borders and let anyone come in for any reason, including people who can't make a living in their own country, terrorists, drug dealers, and killers from all foreign lands, then deal with the thousands of extra violations that will occur from this heavy immigration as well!!!!

    A crime is a crime and a violation of law is a violation of law. No matter how nice you are, or how much you care about your family, if you expect special consideration for one person (yourself or another) who is in violation, then all other violators will 'REQUIRE' that same consideration as well, and this will NEVER work.

    Lastly, Justice Anthony Kennedy may have written, "The national government has significant power to regulate immigration...." and this may be true. But obviously Arizona feels that the National Government is not doing the job it needs to do to protect one of 'These United States' which it should protect, since they want the program. There is an old saying, "If you want a job done right, do it yourself". In this case, Arizona must feel that the job is being neglected by "the National Government" so they are taking measures to protect themselves. I don't blame them, I would do the same thing!!!

    As far as the 'rest' of Arizona's immigration law being struck down, if it was in line with the National Law, there was really no need to strike it down. I think Arizona is just totally unhappy with Federal immigration action, and feel that they MUST do something.
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  • ☆ Queen... Phil 2012/06/26 01:46:48
  • ☆WillThompson☆ 2012/06/25 23:21:03
    Appropriate
    ☆WillThompson☆
    +2
    Damn it I meant to put unjust.
  • Always Right 2012/06/25 23:19:00
    Unjust
    Always Right
    +5
    A sovereign state has the right to protect it's citizens. The Arizona law SB1070 mirrored federal law on immigration!
  • SK-LIBERTY OVER EQUALITY 2012/06/25 23:12:29 (edited)
    Unjust
    SK-LIBERTY OVER EQUALITY
    +5
    And unconstitutional. should have upheld the whole law.
  • Defend ... SK-LIBE... 2012/06/26 00:49:17
  • Demonic Rat Hunter 2012/06/25 23:11:07
    Unjust
    Demonic Rat Hunter
    +8
    Illegals deserve no amnesty or path to citizenship. Time to get serious from top to bottom on illegals. They are a FOREIGN INVASION FORCE.

    1. Finish the fence complete with Razor Wire on top.
    2. Claymores & Landmines first 100 meters our side of the fence. We already can't go into areas of our own country
    3. Militarize the border with Combat Troops, M1A1 tanks, Bradleys, Drones, Apache Attack Helicopters and issue "S. O. S " orders.
    4 Repeal the Anchor Rat Law.
    5. Start a Bounty Hunter Program and issue a bounty on All Illegals.
    6. Severe Fines for any and all buisnesses hiring illegals.
    7. Fines for anyone renting to or harboring illegals.
    8. Cities/States providing sanctuary will lose Federal Dollars in addition to fines.
    9. Deport within 10 days and if they want a lawyer they must pay for them. Remember They are required to carry a Green Card.
    10. No Gov. Benefits or services (i.e. school etc) for illegals. Continue to purge/deport them as we find them.
    11. Any illegal serving time in an American jail/prison will serve it at hard labor on a Chain-Gang.
    12. English only for all Government documents, tests etc.
    As for those protesting if they're citizens throw them across the border for treason and advocating the overthrow of America.
    This is the USA not Mexico and it's time they learned that
  • Snow Demonic... 2012/06/25 23:40:41
    Snow
    I see that you listed yourself as "conservative" on your profile. In keeping with the general conservative belief, I will assume that you are for limited government. If so, you are contradicting yourself. You want all of this government intervention in the private lives of Americans? You want more government interference and more government influence? That doesn't seem like limited government to me.

    Also in keeping with the general conservative belief, I will assume that you are for reducing the national budget and cutting the federal debt. But you also want to plant claymores and landmines on this land, the land of your country (so violent and cruel, in my opinion). You also want to "militarize" the border". You want to expand the fence. All of these would cost major federal dollars and strain the budget, not exactly in keeping with the whole "cutting-the-debt" idea.

    And your advocacy of throwing American citizens "across the border" for resisting the government? Tyrannical, un-democratic, and dictator-like. You want a government that can force its beliefs down the throats of its people? You want a government intolerant of differing opinions? Doesn't sound "free" and "brave" to me.

    It just seems to me that you don't understand that "this is the USA".
  • Demonic... Snow 2012/06/26 00:37:10
    Demonic Rat Hunter
    +4
    Just protecting us from an invasion force which is what the fed is supposed to do, and as for those supporting the invasion force that makes them traitors. Of course there arte other options for dealing with traitors but I'm sure you would approve of them even less. illegal is illegal illegal are illegal
  • Defend ... Snow 2012/06/26 00:51:57
    Defend Western Civlization
    +2
    why don't you go tell the Americans how wonderful the the uncontrolled border area is right now i would just love to see you be educated with the truth

    Illegal 'Immigrant' Admits Plot to Bomb US Capitol...
    http://www.washingtonpost.com...

    Hamas and Hezbollah agents are aligning with mexican drug cartels to move weapons and agents trough America's uncontrolled border daily
  • Ev Rom Snow 2012/06/26 01:30:35
    Ev Rom
    to put it simple all he really cares about is killing Mexicans, he doesn't mind his wifes Asian relatives invading this country.
  • Phil Demonic... 2012/06/25 23:53:50
    Phil
    +1
    I guess you just about said it all, except: The bounty should be for capture ONLY. And, that it's not just Mexico that we are getting illegals from, please don't forget that. We can't just blame Mexico entirely for the problems we have.
  • Demonic... Phil 2012/06/26 00:29:45
    Demonic Rat Hunter
    I know, however they continue to be championed by the politicians and damn if I ain't sick of press 1 for english.
  • Ev Rom Phil 2012/06/26 01:32:04
    Ev Rom
    LOL This guy hates Mexicans, he could care less about "illegals" he is only bothered by the Mexican ones.
  • Marcus Clark 2012/06/25 23:08:48
    Appropriate
    Marcus Clark
    +3
    It was appropriate that they upheld the key part of it. I think they should have upheld the whole law.
  • ed 2012/06/25 23:08:01
    Appropriate
    ed
    +1
    As long as we can get them to leave America.

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