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Was the Iraqi invasion a mistake?

Incognito 2012/06/11 19:44:32
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Bush started two wars to go after Osama Bin Laden. Obama got him with two helicopters filled with soldiers.

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  • Pat 2012/06/11 22:00:46
    Yes.
    Pat
    +15
    I'm not sure if "mistake" is the right word. I think G.W. decided to go right in fully intending to get Saddam for threats he had made against George H. W. Bush in the Desert Storm war. It was also a mistake because I believe we knew they didn't have "weapons of mass destruction" and used it as an excuse. Lying to the United Nations blew any credibility we still had.
    And now, after ten years and thousands of American deaths and casualties as well as tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths, and a bill that would choke a horse, what have we got to show for it. Iraq is still a turbulent and divided country. They are fighting among themselves and there is civil disorder everywhere. Can we really say we helped these people? They were better off with Saddam even if he was an iron fist. At least he kept order even if it was only from fear.

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  • jubil8 ... David H... 2012/06/15 04:38:11
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    OBL was NOT a Pakistani citizen.

    I agree that Pakistan and America aren't friends -- but we are technically allies at present. Who said allies have to like each other? All that's needed is agreement on a goal. Short-term, long-term, I'll slit your throat after you help me get what I want. :)
  • David H... jubil8 ... 2012/06/15 05:40:56
    David Hussey
    OBL's citizenship is kind of moot point. The point is that a Pakistani worked with a foreign government in a manner contrary to the decrees of his government.

    And since you understand the nature of the 'alliance' with Pakistan, then you should understand why they acted in their best interests in arresting the 'traitor' Sentiment among the locals over the assassination required the government do something, they are on shaky footing as it is and revolution is only one poorly handled situation away.
  • jubil8 ... David H... 2012/06/15 23:15:26
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    So the Pakistani government trumped up a charge to make political hay for itself. Just another indication of what a pathetic excuse it is for a sovereign nation imo.

    I think we should just take their nukes so the Taliban can't get them and leave. :)
  • David H... jubil8 ... 2012/06/16 04:35:10
    David Hussey
    +1
    That is pretty much how I see it. And as usual, they are playing both sides. In an effort to appease the US they cooked up some charge rather than actually trying him for treason, for which he would have most certainly been executed.

    There is a very real problem with trying to disarm a nuclear power. In practical terms it is simply not possible, it is not something you can do with 'surgical' covert operations. The only way of taking their nukes would be wholesale invasion of Pakistan, and that is not a path anyone is going to go down. Look at the difficulties with Afghanistan, can you imagine what it would take to occupy a Himalayan fortress with 180 million people? And any attempt at destroying their nuclear capability by air strikes would only ensure the delivery of several warheads into the hands of those we least want them in.
  • jubil8 ... David H... 2012/06/16 19:06:40
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    That's what the :) was for -- I know it's an impossible dream.
  • jubil8 ... David H... 2012/06/15 03:49:43
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    Why is it treason to plan an attack on a NON-CITIZEN who isn't involved in official LEGAL government in any way? A violation of sovereignty perhaps, but treason? Bah.
  • David H... jubil8 ... 2012/06/15 04:29:28
    David Hussey
    Okay, there are many Soviet dissidents sheltering in America. What would you call an American citizen who conspired with Russian covert operatives to perform an assassination of one of their defectors? You would call him a traitor and be screaming for his execution I think.
  • jubil8 ... David H... 2012/06/15 04:42:50
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    +1
    Not parallel. Dr. S. conspired with AMERICANS to get a non-AMERICAN and a non-PAKISTANI. You're leaving out a term of the equation.

    Treason is defined in our Constitution. Your example isn't even close.
  • David H... jubil8 ... 2012/06/15 05:44:26
    David Hussey
    I think you are trying to avoid the parallels. The actual nationalities of the operatives and the target are immaterial. If an America citizen worked covertly with ANY foreigners to assassinate a foreign national being sheltered in America it would be considered treason on that Americans part. The pertinent factor would be an American working for a foreign power without sanction by his own government.
  • jubil8 ... David H... 2012/06/15 23:18:36
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    That is NOT what treason is. Treason is acting against a GOVERNMENT either by waging war against it or aiding its enemies.

    Conspiring to kill a former enemy simply isn't treason.
  • David H... jubil8 ... 2012/06/16 04:36:59
    David Hussey
    We will have to agree to disagree on this point. I have little doubts that under the circumstances I laid out that the person in question would be tried for treason. Hypothetical I know, but that is my opinion.
  • jubil8 ... David H... 2012/06/16 19:07:00
    jubil8 BN-0 PON
    Fair enough.
  • Manwë 2012/06/12 01:08:53
    Yes.
    Manwë
    +3
    The Iraq war was to complete what Bush saw as unfinished business from his father's administration.
  • my2cents Manwë 2012/06/12 06:43:17
    my2cents
    +1
    Without a doubt. That's why everyone referred to Iraq as "Bush's war".
  • wtxwoman 2012/06/12 00:51:25
    No.
    wtxwoman
    +5
    It wasn't a mistake because it was very deliberately done by Bush & Co., but it was wrong. Bush used the US military as his own private army.
  • jgh57 2012/06/12 00:38:08
    Yes.
    jgh57
    +3
    This is the war that never should have been fought. The Iraq war damaged the US reputation. tilted the balance of power in that region to Iran and was a major factor in wrecking the US economy.
  • wtxwoman jgh57 2012/06/12 00:52:44
    wtxwoman
    +5
    I agree, but it wasn't a mistake. It was a deliberate move by Bush & Co. to further a private aim with a national military machine.
  • my2cents wtxwoman 2012/06/12 06:43:37
    my2cents
    It was a mistake AND a deliberate move.

    What you mean is it wasn't an accident.
  • wtxwoman my2cents 2012/06/13 17:03:02 (edited)
    wtxwoman
    +1
    No, I meant mistake. I was looking at it from a different angle is all. As far as mistakes go, it is always a mistake to use our military to fight someone elses battles or invade anyone who has not been aggressive toward us. Afghanistan is the one we should have concentrated on, not Iraq. Sometimes I think it was all engineered to get rid of Saddam because of his behavior toward Daddy Bush and the dollar and to get control of the lithium in Afghanistan.
  • Lulu's Mom 2012/06/12 00:37:04
    Yes.
    Lulu's Mom
    +2
    We wouldn't be where we are now if it weren't for that war. It is just a big waste of lives and money.
  • Raphy 2012/06/12 00:29:14
    Only history will decide.
    Raphy
    Well...........has the country in question gotten any better..........
  • painted desert 2012/06/12 00:28:39
    Yes.
    painted desert
  • Q 2012/06/12 00:24:40
    Yes.
    Q
    +6
    Our biggest military blunder in a long long time! Then the bungled occupation allowed Al Qaeda to come in and wreak havoc.
  • Luis 2012/06/12 00:24:19
    Yes.
    Luis
    +5
    Of course it was . It was just stupid and baseless.
  • Starman 2012/06/12 00:20:09
    Yes.
    Starman
    +7
    We were intentionally sold lies about supposed WMDs. Period.
  • Kane Fe... Starman 2012/06/12 03:10:07
  • Starman Kane Fe... 2012/06/12 06:34:01 (edited)
    Starman
    The article repudiates the supposed quotes by democratic lawmakers, so what is your point?
  • Linda Kane Fe... 2012/06/13 01:45:18
    Linda
    It was told that Saddam sent the WMD to Syria before the UN came in.
    http://www.worldthreats.com/?...
  • Kane Fe... Linda 2012/06/13 01:47:29
    Kane Fernau
    I do not doubt that.
  • Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO 2012/06/12 00:18:12
    Yes.
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    +8
    easily, America's 2nd Vietnam mistake
  • Manuel 2012/06/12 00:15:35
    Yes.
    Manuel
    +4
    because it just fueled more violence....but then again, that's what most conservatives seem to like....
  • Rebel Yell 2012/06/11 23:38:12
    Yes.
    Rebel Yell
    +8
    Cheney couldn't sleep nights. He sat in his White house office and brooded. All that oil. Sweet, sweet oil. There must be some way to get Iraq's oil. Had to be a story our allies would buy.

    4400 Americans dead . Over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Iraq's oil is headed for Iran and Russia.
  • Duke---... Rebel Yell 2012/06/12 00:38:32
    Duke----The Non Racist, Funny Duke !
    +3
    You are very right, except for one thing. It has been 15,000 troops dead now and plus almost that amount in suicides too.. Things the mainstream so called news and the pentagon sure will not tell us
  • the spoiler 2012/06/11 22:42:13
    Yes.
    the spoiler
    +5
    What else was it ? Iraqi had done nothing to us
  • bigfoot 2012/06/11 22:41:49
    Yes.
    bigfoot
    +5
    it is also how you define a Mistake.a deliberate Lie. which Cheney,Rummy and gw constructed is not a Mistake.other than wanting to empty the U.S.Treasury[Kill All Ability to Fund the Social Safety Net Programs and Destroy Unions], steal Iraqi Oil and Impose Conservative Philosophy on the U.S.,there was no Real evidence and justification for the war.RWNJ Conservative Imperialism here and abroad has always been at the root of the Reagan,Bush1 and 2 ,Cheney,Rummy and anticipated Mutt Romney Administrations and followers.
  • wtxwoman bigfoot 2012/06/12 00:53:46
    wtxwoman
    +1
    Exactly, great post.
  • ETpro 2012/06/11 22:09:41
    Yes.
    ETpro
    +9
    It was a terrible blunder. It's cost us $704 billion so far, and the hemorrhaging of money will continue on with long term care for the many disabled veterans, pushing the total cost far above a trillion dollars. We lost 4,409 US military personnel (including both killed in action and non-hostile) and had another 31,928 wounded in action. In addition, there were 1,487 private contractor deaths between March 2003 and June 2011, and there are still a large number of armed contractors there.

    We paid all that blood and treasure to go look for WMDs and Nukes the Bush Administration KNEW did not exist. And while Saddam was definitely a bloodthirsty dictator, taking him out turned Iraq over to Shiite Muslims who are in tight with the Ayatollah Khomeini and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, tightening the terrorist noose around Israel. The whole thing was a monstrous "Bush", which translates to "Miserable Failure".
  • wtxwoman ETpro 2012/06/12 00:54:55
    wtxwoman
    +2
    You are right about everything except it being a blunder. It was a planned deliberate by Bush and Cheney to further their personal agenda.
  • Heisenberg 2012/06/11 22:05:37
    Yes.
    Heisenberg
    +3
    Yes, it was a huge mistake for the price of this war was one neither we nor our children could afford.
  • **StarzAbove** 2012/06/11 22:01:30
    Yes.
    **StarzAbove**
    +10
    It was an unnecessary war started by a president that wanted revenge. He didn't care about how many of our young men and women were killed. He should have just went after BinLaden like President Obama did and there wouldn't have been a war.

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