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Was the Iraqi invasion a mistake?

Incognito 2012/06/11 19:44:32
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Bush started two wars to go after Osama Bin Laden. Obama got him with two helicopters filled with soldiers.

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  • Pat 2012/06/11 22:00:46
    Yes.
    Pat
    +15
    I'm not sure if "mistake" is the right word. I think G.W. decided to go right in fully intending to get Saddam for threats he had made against George H. W. Bush in the Desert Storm war. It was also a mistake because I believe we knew they didn't have "weapons of mass destruction" and used it as an excuse. Lying to the United Nations blew any credibility we still had.
    And now, after ten years and thousands of American deaths and casualties as well as tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths, and a bill that would choke a horse, what have we got to show for it. Iraq is still a turbulent and divided country. They are fighting among themselves and there is civil disorder everywhere. Can we really say we helped these people? They were better off with Saddam even if he was an iron fist. At least he kept order even if it was only from fear.

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  • David (oYo) 2013/03/11 11:39:39
  • BlackwinterG36C 2012/08/01 05:07:26
    No.
    BlackwinterG36C
    First off this war isn't only about Osama Bin Laden. Obama got lucky that the intel manifested on his watch. All the US needed was the intel on Osama's location to take him out. And if you believe killing Bin Laden magically ends the war your the one living in a fantasy world. (Funny how liberals oppose capital punishment but think its perfectly okay for the government to kill Bin Laden. Thats hypocrisy)

    2nd we went to war with Iraq for NUMEROUS reasons.
    1. We had signed a cease fire agreement. On paper we were still technically at war with Iraq. Just like North Korea and South Korea are technically at war now.
    2. Saddam on an almost DAILY basis violated the no fly zone. Those are offensive military actions. Those ALONE would start wars in other times and places.
    3. Saddam WAS sponsering Hamas. He may not be related to Al-Queda. But he OPENLY supported Hamas a well known terrorist orginization. This is a war on terror. Not just one specific terrorist group.
    4. He had the potential to make WMDs and had used them in the past. All he needed was the Uranium. And he had well over a year to get rid of them by the time we invaded. And if he didn't have them Well its called nipping it in the bud.
    5. Iraq was a problem waiting to happen. Down the road we would have had to take them ...


    First off this war isn't only about Osama Bin Laden. Obama got lucky that the intel manifested on his watch. All the US needed was the intel on Osama's location to take him out. And if you believe killing Bin Laden magically ends the war your the one living in a fantasy world. (Funny how liberals oppose capital punishment but think its perfectly okay for the government to kill Bin Laden. Thats hypocrisy)

    2nd we went to war with Iraq for NUMEROUS reasons.
    1. We had signed a cease fire agreement. On paper we were still technically at war with Iraq. Just like North Korea and South Korea are technically at war now.
    2. Saddam on an almost DAILY basis violated the no fly zone. Those are offensive military actions. Those ALONE would start wars in other times and places.
    3. Saddam WAS sponsering Hamas. He may not be related to Al-Queda. But he OPENLY supported Hamas a well known terrorist orginization. This is a war on terror. Not just one specific terrorist group.
    4. He had the potential to make WMDs and had used them in the past. All he needed was the Uranium. And he had well over a year to get rid of them by the time we invaded. And if he didn't have them Well its called nipping it in the bud.
    5. Iraq was a problem waiting to happen. Down the road we would have had to take them out at some point. Just like at some point we will have to take out Iran and North Korea. Can you imagine what would have happened if Saddam's sons Uday and Quesay took over once Saddam left power? Again nipping it in the bud.
    6. Saddam's Human rights record. We went into Bosnia/Kosovo for less.

    3rd The anti-american left did everything they could to frame this war as Bush's Vietnam. Simply because of blind partisan hatred. They could never look at the situation objectively. Only through the prism of their hated of Bush and the US military. France and Germany didn't want to go because they were getting FREE OIL from Saddam and had muslim populations to satisfy. If we didn't have such a partisan media the reasons for the war wouldn't be in question.
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  • C. C. Rider 2012/07/08 14:39:25
    Yes.
    C. C. Rider
    +2
    Bush and Cheney should both be shot at sunrise for what they have done to our country with that war and our fighting men and women. Who died loving this country and us loving them.

    Bush and Cheney raped us and the constitutuion for their wallets.

    911 bush constitution
  • littleb... C. C. R... 2012/07/09 00:22:53
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    LMAOff....if this was posted by like this for say Barack Obama illegally bombing Libya...you'd be calling the feds and local police! You're a Fraud!
  • C. C. R... littleb... 2012/07/09 00:26:53
    C. C. Rider
    +1
    And you have no respect for our dead, dying and wounded. No surprise there FRAUD and HYPOCRITE
  • littleb... C. C. R... 2012/07/09 00:37:38
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    No? Hummm...more worthless Bombastic drivel! Members of my family have served well for this country and have been highly decorated in doing so! As such those acts also saved lives!

    Truth is your anointed one is just as culpable as the two you point a finger at!


    b17s under attack

    Now instead of hurling crap around about people you don't actually know why not wander off and spit polish a nice metal knob?
  • C. C. R... littleb... 2012/07/09 10:25:17
    C. C. Rider
    LMAO read your own post and it reeks of insults to every one. You bring up polishing a knob alot. I can only guess it is a hobby of yours that you enjoy. LOL
  • littleb... C. C. R... 2012/07/09 14:59:45
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    What I never mentioned Knobs till I figured out you were sucking them. Tell ya what? Why don't you scamper off and count how many times you typed "Con" in the last month on SodaHead vs. how many times I have written the work Knob and get back to me!
  • David (... littleb... 2013/03/11 11:41:17
  • littleb... David (... 2013/03/11 23:01:18
    littlebuffalo55TBA
    Thanks Mate!
  • David (... littleb... 2013/03/11 23:04:27
  • Brosia 2012/07/02 19:41:54
    Yes.
    Brosia
    +1
    There was no reason to invade the country. We only created more enemies than we have ever had before, and the bad guys used our very existence to recruit more.
  • David (... Brosia 2013/03/11 11:48:35
  • paul 2012/06/30 02:29:24 (edited)
    Yes.
    paul
    +2
    Of course it was! Hitler invaded Poland with a better excuse than we had to invade Irac. Bush should be in the Hague, standing trial for War Crimes. war crimes trial war crimes trial
  • David (... paul 2013/03/11 11:42:08
  • flrdsgns 2012/06/24 01:32:27
    Yes.
    flrdsgns
    +1
    Absolutely a huge mistake. Invading an innocent country like Iraq should never have happened. The wars Bush started, with no viable plan or exit strategy or method of paying for it has destroyed this country. I'm not sure we will ever recover.
  • melly~thwarting Satan since... 2012/06/23 04:50:25
    No.
    melly~thwarting Satan since 1971
    +5
    A mistake would imply that it wasn't deliberate.
  • Lefty melly~t... 2012/07/03 10:25:23
    Lefty
    +1
    That is, and was a great answer!
  • David (... melly~t... 2013/03/11 11:50:03
  • Maddog 2012/06/22 18:57:38
    Yes.
    Maddog
    Absolutely! That squalid cesspool was not worth one American life, not to mention the huge number of young Americans who were maimed, as a result of that conflict. The invasion of Iraq was when I finally lost all respect for George Bush.
  • Lefty Maddog 2012/07/20 21:53:52
    Lefty
    Does that mean you've moved to the left? I doubt it.
  • Maddog Lefty 2012/07/20 21:57:28
    Maddog
    I'm not a doctrinaire conservative and am quite liberal on many social issues.
  • wamcalif 2012/06/22 00:33:45 (edited)
    Yes.
    wamcalif
    Old news. I think there was a serious miscalculation of the consequences. The intelligence on Saddam showed no evidence of WMD. I can't recall right now but remember reading Saddam was tricked, or led to believe no action would be taken (by the U.S.) against him if he invaded Kuwait. Two different wars against the same country that never attacked us. Bad as he was, Saddam was a pretty good foil against Iran. Now look what we got. I'm sure Israel would rather have the occasional scud missle than a nuclear Iran.
  • Cleaver62 2012/06/21 20:42:36
    Yes.
    Cleaver62
    Sure it was. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, had no weapons of mass distruction, was not a threat to anyone, and had no nuclear bomb program. We were lied into the war using cherry picked information. Bush wanted to collect some political capital so he could ram his ideas through the house and senate. Thousands of lives have been lost. Trillions of dollars have been spent. It was a complete waste of resources.
  • Zachary Smith 2012/06/21 17:52:24 (edited)
    Yes.
    Zachary Smith
    +1
    Imagine having all the money we spent on a decade of war available today to spend on rebuilding our infrastructure, improving our schools, and developing new energy sources instead of waiting on private sector investments ...
    ... that might need gas prices to be $10 per gallon before jumping into the market.

    Imagine how much better and more productive the lives of war veterans might be if they did not have lifelong injuries to cope with such as lost limbs, lost sight, lost hearing, physically injured brains, etc. As well as the medical costs that go along with that for the rest of their life.

    Imagine that we had an industrial policy that backed small and medium size businesses instead of building up the monolithic forces of multinational corporations, multinational financial firms, and the military industrial complex.

    The course we have set for this country is both long in coming and disastrous.

    http://www.alternet.org/modul...

    In all likelihood, you cannot even imagine how good it would be or could be to do the opposite of what we have been doing.
  • Willie 2012/06/21 16:07:22
    Yes.
    Willie
    +3
    The Bush administration entered office determined to put an end to Iraq's nationalized oil industry, and they did it. So for them, it wasn't a mistake - it was what they intended all along. For the rest of the nation, it was a mistake to go along with their lies.

    As far as Bin Laden goes, I'm not convinced his death happened as stated. I think he died years ago, and Obama chose to break the news to the nation in a way that didn't disgrace the former administration (and made him look good).
  • none 2012/06/21 15:01:51
    Only history will decide.
    none
    In the beginning I thought it was a good idea because Iraq has WMD, we sold them to Iraq and they used them in the war with Iran and on the Kurds. In hind sight I now thing we should NOT have gone in but as everyone knows hind sight is 20/20. Now about Obama, he DID NOT get UBL, he signed the go ahead order and that's all he did, the SEALS got UBL. Obama doesn't deserve any more credit for the death of UBL than he deserved getting the Nobel Peace Prize.
  • Just MEH....Piwan 2012/06/21 14:32:39
    Yes.
    Just MEH....Piwan
    +1
    Cost our country lots of dollars and LIVES of our soldiers. Bush was just trying to make "daddy" look good by doing this...he failed!
  • gocar 2012/06/21 13:45:01
    Yes.
    gocar
    +1
    It was a war based on deliberate lies. Now tell me why some people are not in prison for the deaths of thousands of people.
  • Moonage 2012/06/21 13:05:55
    No.
    Moonage
    You are so clueless. Just to point out how clueless you are, without looking, name the year we sent troops into Iraq.
  • Cleaver62 Moonage 2012/06/21 20:45:33
    Cleaver62
    Sorry, but if you think the war was a good move and was somehow justified, you have a lot of explaining to do.
  • Moonage Cleaver62 2012/06/22 12:59:58
    Moonage
    If you have no idea why we were there, then how can you be so sure it was a mistake?

    We were there because the Iraqi military killed thousands of innocent people invading Kuwait and gassed innocent women in children in Iran. That's when the "invasion" occurred. We were occupying most of Iraq a decade before Dubya took office. We had had numerous military skirmishes with them. Clinton had "invaded" Iraq several times.

    Bet you didn't know all that did ya?

    So, again, how can someone "invade" a country it's occupied for a decade?

    All Bush did was put an end to the menace that was creating all the problems. His only mistake was not getting out quicker.
  • flrdsgns Moonage 2012/06/24 01:37:24
    flrdsgns
    +1
    Not true, there was a no fly zone and when Iraq violated it, their planes were chased back or shot down.
    We didn't go into Iraq because of thousands of people were gassed. We could care less. The bill of goods they sold the country was about Iraq having WMD's which was an out-n-out lie.
    Bush and Cheney we all new were only out for themselves and not very bright. It was the traitor Colin Powell who sold the country out when he lied.
  • Moonage flrdsgns 2012/06/24 14:34:14
    Moonage
    how did we enforce the no-fly zones without assets to do it? how did they gas Iran without WMDs? you're own words defeat your arguments. the lies were manufactured by Nancy Pelosi when she realized her peep opposed it. she was all for it when Clinton bombed Baghdad and lied to when Bush did it right.
  • David (... Moonage 2013/03/11 11:52:54
  • Moonage David (... 2013/03/11 12:29:30
    Moonage
    The WMD issue came a decade after we sent in troops. So, how do you figure that? ( I call your silly name and raise it with wanker. ) You get your guidance from Nancy Pelosi don't you?
  • David (... Moonage 2013/03/11 12:39:23
  • Moonage David (... 2013/03/11 14:03:01
    Moonage
    Google Desert Storm if you want something earnest. The only thing that changed was the decision to bring the United Nations occupation to some type of conclusion. Since the UN couldn't come to any decision, the US decided to go it alone. AFTER the decision was made, Nancy Pelosi started whining that she didn't know what she had voted for. The WMD issue was a holdover from the Clinton era. By the time Bush decided to end it, and the original time of the WMD, all of the WMD's went missing. Even though Iraq had attacked Iran with WMD's, it was decided by "some" that Iraq never had any in the first place. Now, go make up even more naughty words and try reading history sometime instead Daily Kos.
  • Helmholtz 2012/06/21 12:09:07
    Yes.
    Helmholtz
    I appreciate working smarter more than I appreciate working harder (though I believe that both President Bush and President Obama worked very hard while on duty).
  • All American 2012/06/21 12:05:25
    Yes.
    All American
    +3
    I always thought it was. He never made his case. This is one of the major reasons I'm not a Bush fan.
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