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Was TARP a necessary evil?

kir 2012/08/17 19:51:36
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The GOP keeps saying that more government is not the answer and that you can't just throw money at the situation and expect it to get better. I also hear that free market capitalism is the best and only effective form of economics. Personally based on what I've observed I agree with these principals.

So why do so many members of the GOP have no issue with calling TARP a necessary evil. Can it be that government intervention really can be a benefit or is it that they're just making up excuses as to why so many members of the GOP voted yes for TARP?

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  • TheBadOne 2012/08/17 20:06:04
    TARP was a bastardization of free market principals.
    TheBadOne
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    The neoconservatives tried to implement a strategy that has failed many times over and it failed again. You can't create a culture of where the middle class relies on credit spending (deficit spending) so that the wealthy elite can inflate prices on assets. Had TARP not been issued, this would have forced businesses to become honest again. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. We didn't learn from our mistakes so I bet you any amount of money we'll repeat them again.

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  • Devil's... Ricardo... 2012/08/17 23:30:11
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    That is because QE is not a good way of injecting the necessary demand into the economy. Not only has it failed to create the required demand but it has also not created any inflation (which many governments are hoping to do right now to reduce the real value of their debts). I did say that TARP was deficient in those aspects. I prefer extending tax cuts to the lower earners and reductions in sales taxes to do that. QE has only went into the fractional reserves of banks, which are if anything, too high anyway. It is not the price of credit nor the level of reserves that are causing the restrictions on lending.
    Im not convinced by the argument that you would be able to create new banks with that money, either. The value of TARP is nowhere near the combined assets of the banks. It wouldnt really extend credit. There is some validity to the argument that toxic banks could have been created with the toxic assets of the banking sector. If it was handled in the appropriate way, it may work. That would perhaps lead to the need for mergers, though, and a second round of institutional reform later on down the road in order to increase competition and break up the huge new banks created from the first phase of reform.
    I think a financial services tax is perhaps the least iniquitous way of...
    That is because QE is not a good way of injecting the necessary demand into the economy. Not only has it failed to create the required demand but it has also not created any inflation (which many governments are hoping to do right now to reduce the real value of their debts). I did say that TARP was deficient in those aspects. I prefer extending tax cuts to the lower earners and reductions in sales taxes to do that. QE has only went into the fractional reserves of banks, which are if anything, too high anyway. It is not the price of credit nor the level of reserves that are causing the restrictions on lending.
    Im not convinced by the argument that you would be able to create new banks with that money, either. The value of TARP is nowhere near the combined assets of the banks. It wouldnt really extend credit. There is some validity to the argument that toxic banks could have been created with the toxic assets of the banking sector. If it was handled in the appropriate way, it may work. That would perhaps lead to the need for mergers, though, and a second round of institutional reform later on down the road in order to increase competition and break up the huge new banks created from the first phase of reform.
    I think a financial services tax is perhaps the least iniquitous way of dampening speculation. The derivatives market needs some way of being kept in check and I think it is far too large and complex for government to regulate it efficiently, so it may be the only solution.
    I dont really see what fiat money has to do with Babylonian creation myths at all.
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  • ConLibFraud 2012/08/17 20:11:05
    TARP was a bastardization of free market principals.
    ConLibFraud
    +2
    There is only 1 party. They are NWO mafia and they own the politicians, judges and media!!! They do not care about any people!!!

    It looks like the only thing that is going to awaken the sheeple out of their stupors will be the fema camps!
  • J 2012/08/17 20:07:16
    TARP was a bastardization of free market principals.
    J
    +3
    Ford is doing well, and they didn't take any bail-out money. If we have to have car manufacturers, let's keep those who know how to run a productive, profitable business.

    Jobs - how are there now LESS people working?

    And has anyone gone back and looked at how much of that TARP money was sent OUT of the US and how much of it was given to politician's pet projects?
  • Turings... J 2012/08/17 20:55:26
    TuringsChild
    +1
    Ford was at a different point in its cycle when the economy was stressed. They were lucky, that's all. The bad luck of other companies should be no excuse for wasting taxpayer money. ALL that would have happened would have been divestiture of some companies, and the start-up of other smaller companies using the same manufacturing resources.
  • TheBadOne 2012/08/17 20:06:04
    TARP was a bastardization of free market principals.
    TheBadOne
    +7
    The neoconservatives tried to implement a strategy that has failed many times over and it failed again. You can't create a culture of where the middle class relies on credit spending (deficit spending) so that the wealthy elite can inflate prices on assets. Had TARP not been issued, this would have forced businesses to become honest again. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. We didn't learn from our mistakes so I bet you any amount of money we'll repeat them again.
  • 3003573 2012/08/17 20:04:14 (edited)
  • JMCC 2012/08/17 19:58:00
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    JMCC
    +3
    Free market economics is the best form of capitalism - unfortunately it does not exist.

    Seven banks are being called to give evidence before a senate select committee for manipulating the markets.

    Even without market manipulation, how can it ever be free when organisations such as OPEC. the World Bank and the IMF are in the mix?
  • Turings... JMCC 2012/08/17 21:00:40
    TuringsChild
    +5
    The World Bank and the IMF are the real 1%ers. OPEC wouldn't be an issue if 1) environuts would stop shutting down US production, or 2) Govt and Energy interests would stop shutting down and/or KILLING inventors who come up with alternative energy sources like Tesla, EV Gray, Bedini, Moray, and so many others.
  • JMCC Turings... 2012/08/17 21:03:09
    JMCC
    +3
    I agree, yet the purpose of OPEC is to fix the price of oil, which knocks on to almost every industry that there is.

    Price fixing and free markets are mutually exclusive...
  • kir Turings... 2012/08/17 21:28:08
    kir
    +3
    The banking industry is horrific; the amount of control that they have over us due to the monopolization of fiat currency production is disturbing. I've written three articles on the topic at this point. The first is a brief discussion of the evolution of currency, the second is a more in depth discussion of how the banking industry controls us, and the third is a discussion on the qualities of a stable currency.
  • Dan ☮ R... kir 2012/08/17 23:53:40
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    Any industry that can take $1, turn it into 10$, loan out the made up fake $9, and when debtors default, reposes their property is horrific.
  • Don Leuty 2012/08/17 19:55:43
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    Don Leuty
    +1
    Tarp was Congressional hubris in the extreme. They actually thought they were ahead of the financial people who already knew how to get exactly what they wanted. Toxi assets could have been handled like the FDIC for a fraction of the cost.

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