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Was Martin Luther King a conservative?

Daring Blasphemer BN-0 August 28, 2010 15:48:33
Glenn Beck is an ASSHAT and should be ignored by anyone with half a brain
Glenn Beck is a great spiritual leader and you are missing out on a 'miracle' (Glenn Beck's word) in Washington today.
I have never heard of any of these people. Which Twilight book are these characters from?
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The fact that Glenn Beck is holding a rally today on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial is embarrassing enough, but while listening to his show every day on the way home from work I understand that he believes MLK's message was one of personal responsibility and conservative ideals. Right wing pundits like to preach that personal responsibility is exclusive to conservatives. The fact that the 'I Have a Dream' speech is about the responsibility of each of us to destroy racial hatred and to claim our right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, does not dismiss Dr. King's views on US imperialism, social justice and redistribution of wealth.

What Beck is doing with this grave stomping political stunt (I know he claims it is not political, he is a liar) and his book Common Sense is to claim the icons of the left for the right. By cherry picking the things that he can twist to agree with his ideology, he can then claim that these men were talking about conservative values. The truth, as Beck well knows, is that both of these men were fighting AGAINST the conservatives of their day. Using real stories of oppression and the crimes of the rich against the poor they proved themselves liberal and often even radically liberal.

Thomas Paine gave everything to the cause of liberty. After the American Revolution (for those of you who have learned you history from Glenn Beck University (<I am sorry if that made you throw up in your mouth a little bit), Paine went to France to participate in the French Revolution. After his 'Right of Man' was published and helped to galvanize the people just as Common Sense did here, he was thrown into jail for his refusal to support the death penalty. The American government refused to help him. He was eventually released and died a pauper, ignored by this country he was largely responsible for creating, because he was thought to be a humanist.

Martin Luther King was a community organizer and he surrounded himself with humanists, communists and social reformers. The majority of his speeches were dedicated to these ideals. The civil rights fight was the liberal fight of his time—which is why it was ignored, denigrated and demonized by the Beck's of his day. Dr, King's legacy is enormous and his successor has not emerged. That is all the more reason to be aware of what a travesty of legacy this Beck rally is.

Here is a link to the audio of the 'I have a Dream' speech. It is one of the greatest public addresses in American history.

http://ia331416.us.archive.org/3/items/MLKDream/MLKDream_64kb...

Please listen to this speech about the War to get a better idea of his overall views.

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  • melly~thwarting Satan since... August 28, 2010 16:41:17
    Glenn Beck is an ASSHAT and should be ignored by anyone with half a brain
    melly~thwarting Satan since 1971
    +62
    No. Hell no.
    He supported choice and family planning.
    "Family Planning -- A Special And Urgent Concern," King declared, "Our sure beginning in the struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her."
    He supported the ruling striking down prayer in school.
    "I endorse it. I think it was correct. Contrary to what many have said, it sought to outlaw neither prayer nor belief in God. In a pluralistic society such as ours, who is to determine what prayer shall be spoken, and by whom? Legally, constitutionally or otherwise, the state certainly has no such right. I am strongly opposed to the efforts that have been made to nullify the decision. They have been motivated, I think, by little more than the wish to embarrass the Supreme Court."
    His best friend, Bayard Rustin, was openly gay and organized this very 1963 march. Homophobia is listed among the "Triple Evils" by the King Center.
    He vehemently opposed the Vietnam War.
    "We were taking the young black men who had been crippled by our society and sending them eight thousand miles away to guarantee liberties which they had not found in Southwest Georgia and East Harlem.... We have been repeatedly faced with the cruel irony of watching Negro and white boys on TV screens as they kill and die together for a nation that has been unable to seat them in the same schools"

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  • PJ Sweet Cheeks September 17, 2010 16:00:39 (edited)
    Glenn Beck is a great spiritual leader and you are missing out on a 'miracle'...
    PJ  Sweet Cheeks
    MLK was indeed a Republican...period!
    Who ever wrote this piece of crap must feel like a real dickhead today....
    jokes on you!!! You liberal piece of trash!!!

    Glenn got people together for the good of the country and it was very honorable!!! Stick that where the sun don't shine, HA...HA....HA!!!!
  • Daring ... PJ Swe... September 18, 2010 01:37:59
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    >>>MLK was indeed a Republican...period!
    Who ever wrote this piece of crap must feel like a real dickhead today....
    jokes on you!!! You liberal piece of trash!!! Glenn got people together for the good of the country and it was very honorable!!! Stick that where the sun don't shine, HA...HA....HA!!!!<<<...

    Well. you're late to the party and apparently as unaware of the meaning of irony as you are the truth about MLK.

    First we'll tackle the irony, you open up with insults and name calling. There is not a shred of argument in your entire post, only attacks on someone you don't know about a subject you've never read! Then you go on to point out how honorable Beck's political rally was and how it 'got people together', followed by another string of hate.....irony.

    The fact that MLK was a Republican has nothing to do with whether or not he was a conservative, there were lots of liberals in the republican party in the 1950-60s. Please take the time to read some of the posts on this thread to better understand the facts. Check the links. If you would prefer, just ignore the thread, protect you ideology by only reading what you already agree with and please feel free to continue the personal attacks. I will continue to turn the other cheek, as would MLK.
  • PJ Swe... Daring ... September 18, 2010 14:12:17
    PJ  Sweet Cheeks
    +1
    This has nothing to do with checking anything...I'm here to state My opinion! That is what sodahead is all about! That was a honorable rally and the liberals from the get go tried to make it out as something else and that my friend is a fact.
    Have a nice day this is an old blog anyway...I just found it to be funny since it was so unfounded...PERIOD!
  • Daring ... PJ Swe... September 18, 2010 14:26:38
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    Thank you for your new found civility, but I believe the definition of irony is still eluding you. I listen to Beck every day, HE tells you true believers to look it up all the time. He doesn't mean it and knows his audience believes whatever you are told on the radio, then reinforces their willful ignorance by telling you how smart you are. Irony.

    Since you didn't check any facts or even read any comments, I can see why you would think this blog is unfounded.
    http://baseballfactory.com/bl...
    Keep those blinkers on, it is scary out here.
  • PJ Swe... Daring ... September 18, 2010 14:32:22
    PJ  Sweet Cheeks
    lmao! Typical liberal say you watch him everyday!!! Oh please that is not true...done talking with someone who does not speak the truth...see ya!
  • Daring ... PJ Swe... September 18, 2010 15:09:26
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    +1
    I do not WATCH him, I LISTEN to him every day on the way home from work. I don't lie and you are hedging....
  • Joseph E. Bowker, CMSgt, US... September 17, 2010 02:42:12 (edited)
    Glenn Beck is an ASSHAT and should be ignored by anyone with half a brain
    Joseph E. Bowker, CMSgt, USAF (Ret)
    +2
    And Lincoln, the first National Republican was a Bleeding Heart Liberal. Day was when the good guys were Republican and the Democrats were the party of haters, KKK and John Birchers. But that ended when Reagan/Bush handed the total Government of the People, for the People, by the People to the Plutocrats running the Dixiecrats who became Republicans when the Kennedy's and LBJ displaced the horrible Jim Crow laws of the South and the South "States-Rights"Dixiecrats joined the Conservatives. Bush/Cheney strengthened the Draw to the Oligarchy Families to the Right-Wing Plutocracy and Theocracy Republicans. Now, the Conservatives are all Right-Wing anti-American Fascist, who have destroyed the Global Economy by redistributing the Cash Flow from the working and middle class to the wealthiest-elitist Corporate-Fascist, right-wing rich, instead of Americans, we need the Democrats now to redistribute the wealth from the 2% at the top, to the People, return the Government of, for and by the People in America again that our framers expected. Social-Justice, Humanitarianism is the answer. Remember too, what Ronnie Reagan said, "Government is the Problem, not the Solution, whenever Republicans are in charge of the Government."
  • Bob™ the Union Ironworker September 08, 2010 17:38:17
    Glenn Beck is an ASSHAT and should be ignored by anyone with half a brain
    Bob™ the Union Ironworker
  • Daring ... Bob™ th... September 11, 2010 03:57:50
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    +4
    WOW! That was great. Thank you, Bob!
  • moomoof "Chi chi le le los... September 03, 2010 01:57:54
    Glenn Beck is an ASSHAT and should be ignored by anyone with half a brain
    moomoof "Chi chi le le  los mineros de chile!!!"
    +4
    you know this is sad that martin luther king is being mentioned because a numb nuts wants attention
  • Daring ... moomoof... September 03, 2010 02:01:10
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    +4
    Agreed. I couldn't help myself....
  • You Better Eat Your Wheaties! September 01, 2010 17:20:41
    Glenn Beck is an ASSHAT and should be ignored by anyone with half a brain
    You Better Eat Your Wheaties!
    +5
    MLK was a budding socialist - and that's not a bad thing. Near the end of his life, his focus changed from equal rights for blacks, to economic rights for the poor. Doesn't sound very conservative to me. Most conservatives seem to blame the poor for their condition. MLK knew that sometimes (gasp!) it's not their fault.
  • ɟʇʇoɔs September 01, 2010 01:09:11 (edited)
    Glenn Beck is a great spiritual leader and you are missing out on a 'miracle'...
    ɟʇʇoɔs
    Glenn Beck for President 2012
  • Kev316 ɟʇʇoɔs September 03, 2010 05:31:54
    Kev316
    +3
    If Glenn Beck is a great spiritual leader for you, that's fine. What I want to know is what makes you think ANY spiritual leader should EVER be president? Jesus Christ Himself wanted nothing to do with politics.

    Know what's funny? All liberals heard for years was how we viewed Obama as a messiah. Of course, no liberal ever said that. Yet you fine Americans really do see Beck as a great spiritual leader, or messiah, if you will. The leader you need to take "back YOUR country." You never stopped to consider that you lost it because you were VOTED out. There was no coup, there is no foreign enemy, there are only the results of an election you didn't like.
  • ɟʇʇoɔs Kev316 September 03, 2010 11:18:38
    ɟʇʇoɔs
    I didn't say he was spiritual leader, but he does seem to have more solutions on how to make things right in this country than YOUR guy...
  • Kev316 ɟʇʇoɔs September 05, 2010 03:42:41
    Kev316
    +4
    It's one thing to bitch, entirely another to actually govern, especially when the minority plays obstructionist on everything, regardless of the benefits to America. Now, they will get what they want. How much you wanna bet they still do nothing but bitch about Democrats? And look what they did to Clinton, simply because he was a Democrat. $400,000,000 of our money, for that.

    No, the course is right. The obstructions no more than tantrums, really. But they have worked. Thing is, none of these big mouths would have done anything differently.
  • Joseph ... ɟʇʇoɔs September 17, 2010 02:44:33
    Joseph E. Bowker, CMSgt, USAF (Ret)
    +1
    Damn! I almost threw up all over my keyboard. I guess I shouldn't read SH while eating Raviolis.
  • Koatz August 30, 2010 21:00:58
    Glenn Beck is an ASSHAT and should be ignored by anyone with half a brain
    Koatz
    +3
    I've tried to listen to him... Glenn Beck, but can't stomach the loony things that he says. He should be ignored. But, keep in mind that he is only giving the people who pay attention to him, what they want. THEY are the fools, and he is the con man.
  • Lanikai August 30, 2010 15:30:24
    None of the above
    Lanikai
    +2
    I suport MLK's idea of equality, pure, straight across the border equality, WHICH America has for all. I do NOT supprt the MLK wealth sharing propoganda tha trarely makes the airwaves.
  • Daring ... Lanikai August 31, 2010 05:56:44
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    +3
    And I support you right to support the parts of MLKs message you agree with, while not claiming his message was something it was not.
  • Lanikai Daring ... August 31, 2010 13:44:33
    Lanikai
    +2
    You need to go read it and listen to the Chris Wallace interview with Glenn Beck, Even Wallace was questioning Becks partial support for MLK. I can agree with half and HATE the other half, but I have NEVER been a wealth redistribution gal. You want something-WORK for it.
  • Kev316 Lanikai September 03, 2010 05:32:54
    Kev316
    +3
    Then why don't you mind redistribution upward?
  • Helmholtz Lanikai September 23, 2010 06:13:53
    Helmholtz
    +1
    Wealth should be the reward for hard work? How about people who inherit wealth?
  • unclepat August 30, 2010 09:34:02
    Glenn Beck is an ASSHAT and should be ignored by anyone with half a brain
    unclepat
    +5
    Conservative? HELL NO! He actually believed in, and worked for the Civil rights for all people. Lest we also forget, he also marched with many a worker because of his beliefs in the rights for workers and theirr conditions.
  • lclon August 30, 2010 02:51:04
    Glenn Beck is an ASSHAT and should be ignored by anyone with half a brain
    lclon
    +6
    All that comes out Glenn Beck mouth are lies and hateful messages. He is fit to be listened to by only his kind.
  • Lanikai lclon August 30, 2010 15:31:18
    Lanikai
    Since Beck spoke a message of unity, tolerance, peace and values, NOTHING in it was hateful.
  • Kev316 Lanikai September 03, 2010 05:34:05
    Kev316
    +3
    Actually, it implies that anyone who is not a Beckite is AGAINST those things. Therein lies the problem.
  • Mike56 August 30, 2010 01:47:26 (edited)
    None of the above
    Mike56
    +1
    It is amazing, how much the leftist destroyers are afraid of a TV host.
    All those with half brain are spattering tones of saliva trying to vilify Beck and urging people to ignore him at the same time.
    So much of the “liberal” consistency.

    MLK was not a soldier marching in a certain party column - but summarizing his legacy, one should conclude he was closer to "conservatives" rather than "liberals".
  • Daring ... Mike56 August 30, 2010 03:43:59
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    +8
    Conjecture. I provided audio and video. Scattered throughout this post are quotes and more video and audio of the mans words, his writings, his speeches, his wife and sons words on the subject. You simple insult liberals and make an unsubstantiated claim. Please provide proof of his conservative leanings.
  • Mike56 Daring ... August 30, 2010 05:04:49
    Mike56
    +1
    Grown in the USSR, I have more than enough personal knowledge about criminal, oppressive and repressive essence of leftism. I highly regard MLK and would defend his name from any attempt to attach it to the leftist propaganda machine. However, I do realize he was a human being and could sometimes utter the words that were not totally consistent with what he was about. Similarly, I could quote Mahatma Gandhi’s friendly letters to Hitler. Can it be a proof of his Nazi attitude, though? I don’t think so. Similarly, there is a lot of important evidence that counterbalance your quotes.
    Here is an article from heritage.org

    Martin Luther King's Conservative Legacy

    Published on January 12, 2006 by Carolyn Garris It is time for conservatives to lay claim to the legacy of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. King was no stalwart Conservative, yet his core beliefs, such as the power and necessity of faith-based association and self-government based on absolute truth and moral law, are profoundly conservative. Modern liberalism rejects these ideas, while conservatives place them at the center of their philosophy. Despite decades of its appropriation by liberals, King's message was fundamentally conservative.

    The Montgomery Bus Boycott, triggered by Rosa Parks' refusal to abide by local...
    Grown in the USSR, I have more than enough personal knowledge about criminal, oppressive and repressive essence of leftism. I highly regard MLK and would defend his name from any attempt to attach it to the leftist propaganda machine. However, I do realize he was a human being and could sometimes utter the words that were not totally consistent with what he was about. Similarly, I could quote Mahatma Gandhi’s friendly letters to Hitler. Can it be a proof of his Nazi attitude, though? I don’t think so. Similarly, there is a lot of important evidence that counterbalance your quotes.
    Here is an article from heritage.org

    Martin Luther King's Conservative Legacy

    Published on January 12, 2006 by Carolyn Garris It is time for conservatives to lay claim to the legacy of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. King was no stalwart Conservative, yet his core beliefs, such as the power and necessity of faith-based association and self-government based on absolute truth and moral law, are profoundly conservative. Modern liberalism rejects these ideas, while conservatives place them at the center of their philosophy. Despite decades of its appropriation by liberals, King's message was fundamentally conservative.

    The Montgomery Bus Boycott, triggered by Rosa Parks' refusal to abide by local segregation laws, sparked King's rise from ministering a small church in Montgomery to national renown. King's primary aim was not to change laws, but to change people, to make neighbors of enemies and a nation out of divided races. King led with love, not racial hatred. From a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama to the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, his message inspired the nation. And his message and achievements inspire us today.

    Dr. King believed in the principles of the American Founding. He maintained, "We will reach the goal of freedom in Birmingham and all over the nation, because the goal of America is freedom." Throughout American history, racism has posed a peculiar obstacle to the achievement of that goal. However, Dr. King believed that the Founders had set the nation on the right course. He did not reject the principles of our nation because contradictions existed; instead he hoped that racial groups would put aside their differences and acknowledge the principles that unite all Americans. Today, it is conservatives who seek to unite. In a nation divided by cultural diversity, conservatives defend and celebrate the characteristics that we share as Americans. As America drifts from the ideas and ideals of the Founders, conservatives stand with King as believers that the principles of the American Founding are as relevant today as in 1776.

    Dr. King believed in a fixed moral law, an anathema to moral relativists espousing subjective values. For King, a just law was "a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God." Dr. King required that his followers lead moral lives, and he emphasized the importance of faith in the face of adversity. Modern liberalism has rebuffed this teaching, dedicating great effort to silence religion and morality. Again, conservatives are the standard-bearers here.

    For Dr. King, individual freedom depended upon civic responsibility. He proclaimed, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Racial judgment is inherently unjust, but judgment based on moral character is essential. King wanted his children to live in a colorblind society but not a value-neutral society that rejects all standards of judgment. Today, this is the Conservative message. Moral character as expressed in our social interactions is at the center of self-government, which in turn is the sustaining force of American democracy. Conservatives know that without a morally-informed sense of social obligation, we would be rudderless.

    In today's parlance, Dr. King's movement would be called "faith-based." Unlike the doggedly secular groups that now campaign for government action in the name of "social justice," King's coalition was explicitly religious, rooted in churches and Christian morality. King's ever-growing congregation labored for reform in Montgomery, in Alabama, and then all across the country. The Montgomery Bus Boycott testifies to the strength of churches and local institutions to make a difference. The heart of the conservatism has always been grassroots movement, from the bottom up rather than from the top down, focused on faith-based and community associations. While liberals who claim King's legacy seek to mandate social change from the nation's capital, conservatives seek to empower communities, associations, and congregations to carry out moral ends.

    King aimed to unite a divided America behind the goals of the Founders, not to shift fundamentally unjust public policies to favor different groups. Affirmative action stands outside King's legacy because it requires the government to see Americans as members of privileged and disfavored racial groups, not equal individuals. This is also the Conservative view.

    It is not a coincidence that conservatives share Dr. King's core principles, as they are the principles of the American Founding and continue to guide us today. Dr. King's dream echoes that of the Founders: "all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights that among them are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." King's dream is rooted in the ideas of human equality, individual freedom, and the consent of the governed. These ideas depend on absolute truth and moral law, and they are supported and affirmed by religion and religious association. This dream, Dr. King's Conservative message, is nearly lost amidst the worship of cultural diversity and moral relativism. It is still a dream worth pursuing.

    Carolyn Garris is Program Coordinator in the Center for American Studies at The Heritage Foundation
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  • Lanikai Mike56 August 30, 2010 15:48:00
    Lanikai
    +1
    Bravo.

    The part of King's theory that I disagreed with was his presentation of the idea that there should be a collective disbursement of pay, so that a street sweeper and a doctor make the same amount. THAT I highly disagree with. But then, I HATE, HATE, HATE all forms or welfare.
  • Mike56 Lanikai August 31, 2010 02:14:28
    Mike56
    But any living human being is evolving. Remeber the famous: "if you are not on the left when you are 20 - you do not have heart, if you are not on the right when you are 40 - you don't have brain"?
    MLK was not even 40 when they killed him - he could go much further from the leftists.
  • Kev316 Lanikai September 03, 2010 05:44:46
    Kev316
    +3
    Ayn Rand ideology does not a brilliant man make. He Russian, he's foreign, he could be a spy, I have no documentation he is legal, and since I served during the cold war, I can tell you that he is probably a drunken, lying , cheating bastard who believes that old Russian saying, "It is better we both have nothing, than for you to have more than I.
  • Daring ... Mike56 September 01, 2010 01:12:36
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    +3
    You have confused universal truth with conservative values. The Heritage Foundation is a right wing think tank. They have an agenda, and this article takes tiny bits of quotes and extrapolates conservative ideology out of them. However, just because YOU like him and see truth in his words doesn't mean he would agree with you.

    Here is an actual conservative who not only know what he himself is about but has read more King writings than ONE speech.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/or...
  • Mike56 Daring ... September 01, 2010 04:40:49 (edited)
    Mike56
    +1
    I heard about a few guys who knew "universal truth" - Lenin, Hitler and likes.

    "What's in your wallet"? :)

    BTW, it is very familiar to me - denigrating conservative values. When soviet communists felt that their deeds were not compatible with any moral standards – they would curs “bourgeois values” and “bourgeois moral”.
  • Daring ... Mike56 September 01, 2010 04:46:53
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    +3
    Hedging is boring, so are Hilter references. The fact is MLK was a liberal, maybe even a communist, he was not a conservative in any way. You are wrong. I have proven it.
  • Mike56 Daring ... September 01, 2010 04:59:00
    Mike56
    You stated several quotes that prove nothing.
    Or did I prove Gandhi was a Nazi?
  • Daring ... Mike56 September 01, 2010 05:24:54
    Daring Blasphemer BN-0
    +2
    I guess you missed it since you have ignored it so here it is again. http://www.lewrockwell.com/or...
  • Mike56 Daring ... September 01, 2010 06:02:29
    Mike56
    "Oops! This link appears to be broken"
  • Daring ... Mike56 September 01, 2010 12:52:28
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