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Was it appropriate for an airline to remove a passenger from a flight because he refused to stop praying and take his seat for takeoff?

StarrGazerr 2008/04/17 19:40:58
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In today's news it was reported that a passenger on a plane preparing for takeoff began praying in the aisle. When asked to take his seat for takeoff he refused, and his companion told the airline personnel that "once you start praying you can't stop in the middle". Despite the instructions of the flight crew he refused to take his seat and so he was removed from the flight by airline security. The passenger claimed his right to pray was paramount, while the airline claimed that they have a right to regulate safety and security on planes and a passenger out of his seat during takeoff could prove dangerous.

UPDATE: The passenger was not actually praying in the aisle, but was actually in the rear of the plane near one of the exits. But the rest of the story - that the passenger refused to take his seat and was escorted off the plane by security - is accurate. Sorry for the imprecision.
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  • Tired Old Man 2008/04/17 19:44:27
    Yes
    Tired Old Man
    +19
    You can pray sitting down too. The person has no right to inconvenience his fellow passengers, the flight crew, the airlines or the airport. Right now the airlines don't need any more problems.

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  • sunbeam 2009/07/01 08:11:47
    Yes
    sunbeam
    I understand the whole right to have freedom to practice ones religion the way one desires etc but when you are on that carrier the airline is responsible to see that everyone is delivered to the destination safely... and one person on the floor at take off could cause panic and injury to others or themself.
  • deano 2008/04/22 02:11:17
    Yes
    deano
    How stupid. He should have been thrown off. Pray in your seat,keep it simple. Mental case,I am sure!
  • Raindropkitten™~the author ... 2008/04/21 23:53:45
    Yes
    Raindropkitten™~the author of þhαετ~
    you can pray sitting down too and not have to inconvinence everyone while doing it...he was just being difficult for no real reason when there were alternatives
  • pynk 2008/04/21 14:33:41
    Yes
    pynk
    if you needed to pray--i am sorry but--you should have gotten on earlier---i am not sure if you can because i have never flown--and safety is 1st.
  • Plantgypc 2008/04/21 13:02:27
    Yes
    Plantgypc
    +3
    The only religon I can think of that insists you kneel to pray are ones that have to pray at a certain time each day. The passenger should have planed for that. How was the flight attendant to know if he would come up behind her. Not to mention if he had gotten hurt, there would have been a law suit. I think the airline was in their rights to remove this man.
  • pynk Plantgypc 2008/04/21 14:35:10
    pynk
    +1
    i think if he had gotten hurt he shouldn't be able to sue because it was his choice when they told him he could get hurt.
  • fuzzy K... pynk 2008/04/21 16:17:31 (edited)
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    pynk,
    Your reasoning makes sense, but in this highly litigious world, if he had gotten hurt he could have sued and would probably have won.
  • Plantgypc fuzzy K... 2008/04/21 19:37:03 (edited)
    Plantgypc
    +1
    There was a case of a man breaking into a house in RI about 20 years ago. He fell through a skylight and fractured his leg in 4 places. Because they couldn't prove he was there to rob them, he sued and won over a million.
  • StarrGa... Plantgypc 2008/04/22 13:57:36
    StarrGazerr
    +1
    So he just happened to be walking across their roof? I know travesties like this do happen sometimes, but there are a lot of "urban legends" out there as well.
  • Plantgypc StarrGa... 2008/04/22 14:58:32
    Plantgypc
    +1
    No it really did happen. I was living there when it did. Because the area she lived in had row houses where they are attached, he couldn't even be charged with trespassing, because he lived in the complex. Of course he won over a million, but didn't get that much, maybe 25%. Another good thing though once the lawyers, and doctors got their money, he was left with little more than a bad reputation, and a very bad limp he'll have forever.
  • pynk fuzzy K... 2008/04/22 13:43:44
    pynk
    +1
    so true--which would have been stupid. but oh well...
  • Foo Master Angie 2008/04/20 23:52:28
    Yes
    Foo Master Angie
    +1
    It has been my experience that you can pray from anywhere. You can do it standing, sitting, kneeling, washing dishes, even in the bathroom....I don't think the big guy really cares where you are when you do it. There are rules for a reason. Follow the rules or be removed. End of story.
  • pynk Foo Mas... 2008/04/21 14:36:40
    pynk
    +1
    yep, hahaha... i guess you can really pray anywhere!!! i did it on the delivery bed for a safe and successful delivery!!!
  • Carole 2008/04/20 21:11:55 (edited)
  • Anouser 2008/04/20 10:47:29
    Yes
    Anouser
    What a jerk.
  • Nate 2008/04/19 21:37:19
    Yes
    Nate
    Yes, your religion should never bother some1 else.
  • Mollybdamned American Atheist 2008/04/19 15:34:22
    Yes
    Mollybdamned American Atheist
    +1
    Just because you want to pray doesn't mean you get special treatment for it. I am so tired of religious people that think all the rules must change for them. Get over it and take your seat!!
  • skaple369 2008/04/19 15:06:59
    Yes
    skaple369
    +1
    people just wanna get to wherever they are going as soon as possible...he should have either started praying earlier, or just prayed sitting down
  • ubuntu 2008/04/19 13:31:54
    No
    ubuntu
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2008/04/19 08:21:28
    Yes
    mk, Smartass Oracle
    +1
    It violates the rules of safety.
  • AnOldMan 2008/04/19 08:07:06
    Yes
    AnOldMan
    Give me a break. Can't you come up with a tough question?
  • coffee man 2008/04/18 20:59:49
    Yes
    coffee man
    +1
    There are rules we have to follow in certain places. We can't yell fire in a theater because of safety issues and we can't sit on the aisle floor during take off on a plane for those reasons as well. Expecting the world to stop and wait for you is just selfish no matter what reason you have.
  • Skull-One-225 2008/04/18 18:55:40
    Yes
    Skull-One-225
    +1
    Can you imagine teh lawsuit if he injured himself while praying during takeoff or if the other passengers got frustrated and took matter into thier own hands? Kick him off the flight and take off on time!
  • concerned 2008/04/18 18:50:09
    Yes
    concerned
    the lord will here him in his seat
  • הרב ריאן Rabbi Ryan 2008/04/18 12:07:52 (edited)
    Yes
    הרב ריאן Rabbi Ryan
    This person should be locked up, I cannot stand these nutty people!!
  • Glit 2008/04/18 04:38:58
    Yes
    Glit
    +2
    He was being extreme. Amen.
  • Studied Glit 2008/04/18 19:11:55
    Studied
    The article does not mention the religion. I find myself wondering if he was kneeling in the middle of the aisle with his head down and facing Mecca.
  • StarrGa... Studied 2008/04/18 19:12:54
    StarrGazerr
    +1
    Actually he was an orthodox Jew. I deliberately did not include what religion the person was when I wrote the question since I don't think it matters.
  • coffee man StarrGa... 2008/04/18 21:02:06
    coffee man
    +1
    The only reason I thought it would matter would be if the way he was supposed to pray kept him from sitting in his seat. A Christian could pray in their seat but I don't think a Muslim could. That being said I don't think either one of them should have been allowed to do it.
  • Mollybd... Studied 2008/04/19 15:36:08
    Mollybdamned American Atheist
    +1
    I don't think it matters really. He can pray in his seat or before getting on the plane don't you think?
  • monkey_girl_for_God 2008/04/18 03:46:45
    Yes
    monkey_girl_for_God
    +2
    You can pray sitting to.....maybe he didn't know that....he shouldn't of done that though....he was rude and stupid....they had a right to kick him off
  • nightm4825 In god we trust 2008/04/18 02:52:18
    Yes
    nightm4825 In god we trust
    +1
    if you cant pray in your seat then dont fly no one needs your shit dam
  • CHUCK - Liberal in Seattle 2008/04/18 02:49:02
    Yes
    CHUCK - Liberal in Seattle
    +2
    The plane can't leave till he sits. if he's long winded and takes a while, the plane can lose it's place in line delaying everyone. I would be pissed. If he can't sit then he's gotta git!
  • aace 2008/04/18 02:46:39
  • Janet 2008/04/18 01:06:00
    Yes
    Janet
    +2
    He was asking for trouble.
  • Roxie 2008/04/18 01:01:40
    Yes
    Roxie
    +2
    More to the story then what I read.
    Have God fly him next time!
  • tl3319 2008/04/17 23:36:26
    Yes
    tl3319
    +1
    I'm thinking if I would have been on that flight I would have had a problem with him praying in the isle even before the plan took off, I would find it to be a safety issue in flight or not.
  • Joe 2008/04/17 22:54:58
    Yes
    Joe
    +3
    I usually pray before I get on---Pray that they have a full beverage cart and hot looking Flight Attendants
  • StarrGa... Joe 2008/04/17 23:13:31
    StarrGazerr
    +2
    LOL that's a good strategy. I also make sure my flight isn't "Oceanic Flight 815" :)
  • MQ-American Values Again (AVA) 2008/04/17 21:46:19
    Yes
    MQ-American Values Again (AVA)
    +2
    Prayer is between you and your God... keep it private and stay in your seat

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