Was Abraham Lincoln gay?

by wtxwoman Posted 2012/03/04 18:52:08

Related Topics: Abraham Lincoln, Google, Lincoln, Gay, History Channel

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I'll admit that I had never heard this before last night. It was in a program on the History Channel about Lincoln. I was astonished and looked it up on Google. There are many, many articles about Lincoln and several men. One man, Joshua Steed, he lived with for four years and slept in the same bed!

barbri 2012/11/18 08:27:58

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wtxwoman : does that name stand for "white Texas woman"? I would imagine am very much older than you, have read many more books than you will live to see, three on Lincoln. Did you see or read Moby Dick or True Grit? In the old days, US was poorer, boarding houses were filled with ladies and gents of the same sex who slept together, and being gay was not the reason. I fear your education is a bit limited and would wager you are southern born and bred and have harbored prejudices all your life, you talk the talk. I have lived for short periods in a couple of southern states and do know the mind set of many southern folk: some will forever believe "the south will rise again" ad nauseum. You are entitiled to your opinion but I believe it ought to be a bit more informed.

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wtxwoman to barbri 2012/11/18 20:49:16

I don't usually want to talk to anyone who starts off with an insult, but for you I will make an exception. I am very well and widely read, reading being my main hobby for 63 of my 66 years. Until recently, a couple of years ago, I averaged reading at least 3 book a week. That's about 1000 books, and I believe it is more. I am aware of all those things you mentioned. I came upon this revelation first from a show on the History channel. It gained my interest, so I pursued it on the Internet. I was astonished by the information I found. That is why I asked the question. To answer your question, WTXWOMAN stands for West TX Woman, which is what I am because of where I reside. I am not prejudiced in the least, having had friends in all walks of life, many different social groups, and different races, ethnicities from all over the world. All of my grandchildren except for possibly one, are mixed-race/ethnicity. And, you, my dear, are letting your prejudice show on how you feel about White Southerners. FYI, because someone, especially a politician, does something right once doesn't mean he did it for the right reasons or that it makes him a Saint. I don't know why you got your panties in such a bunch, but take a deep breath and calm down. It was just a question, you know?

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codie.paul 2012/10/04 16:45:23 (edited)

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and for the record straight guys dont sleep with other guys gay or not Well if guys had to back then that was different. Sleeping arrangements were different. But they didnt do it cause they were gay or were interested. They did it cause they had to.

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codie.paul 2012/10/04 16:43:27

this is really hard to believe if this is in fact true especially considering he was married with children and i never saw or thought of him as being gay

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crazy:) 2012/04/24 15:49:37 (edited)

why try hard to argue that he was gay haha who gives a who, what, when, and where what he was reather he was gay or even straight in the slightest matter just because u sleep in a bed with the same sex doen't mean ur gay unless it stated tht he "danced" with them while sharing a bed then it doesn't prove anything back in the day they all did some crazy things who knows why he was sleeping in the bed with men we weren't there and u can't believe what people say now days theres too many holes in the story why get married to a girl sleep with her and hve childern if ur gay??? what gay guy sleeps with a girl??

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nick to crazy:) 2012/05/14 18:30:51 (edited)
crazy:) to nick 2012/05/14 19:41:12

bhahahahah call it what u want, and say what u want, call names until ur lil hearts satisfied but honestly ur opinon is neither required or desired:)

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crazy:) 2012/04/24 11:23:41

Personally after reading every ones opinons I don't think it really matters if he was LBGT the fact is he did a damn good job at being a president, I mean look he fought for our country!! I'm 17 and nothing in our history books or records on the internet does it say or ever did say he was LBGT! and why argue over if he was LBGT? ask yourself does it really matter now after years and years of him being dead does it really matter what he was? no i dont think so he's not president now so why get ur panties in a bunch over something that obivously no body is either going to agree on or 100% know if he was or wasn't!!

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wtxwoman to crazy:) 2012/04/24 14:50:06

!st, Don't depend on the official history books to tell the truth. The old adage about the victory writes the history is true. 2nd, It was an interesting fact to me because the bible thumpers and homophobes would have a melt-down if they believed it. 3rd, If you google Lincoln/gay, you will find all kinds of information. You have to sift through the junk to get to the credible articles, but they are there. 4th, I don't care one way or the other, he's not a god to me.

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crazy:) to wtxwoman 2012/04/24 15:12:46

like i was always told don't believe what u see on the internet and not everything in text book is up to date!

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wtxwoman to crazy:) 2012/04/24 15:17:01

Some of the stuff that the articles on the internet referred to documents in the public record. It's not so much that text books are outdated, they absolutely lie in places or downplay the negative acts of important people or government.

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crazy:) to wtxwoman 2012/04/24 15:27:02

of course they do could u imagine how embaressed they would be if u new every single detail down to the last lil part um hello they'd be extremely embaressed why do u they hide things from us well duh were all opinonated and freak out when we hear something we don't like so if someone sat there (being sarcastic using an example here) and said oh my george bush is gay do u think everyone would be calm and be lke oh who cares no they'd freak out and go crazy that's why alot of times they don't tell us things or they "lie" to us!! they say its to protect us but in reality its to protect them!! but i personally don't think it matters if he was LBGT or not!!

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wtxwoman to crazy:) 2012/04/24 15:46:00

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You are a smart cookie for a 17 year old. I hope you are going to college.

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crazy:) to wtxwoman 2012/04/24 15:51:31

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hahah thank u!

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meandbooth to crazy:) 2012/08/02 18:40:18

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You do seem to be pretty smart so let me add this to think about. "damn good job at president" ??? Sumter was fired on 4 months after SC seceded.Abe had promised not to send reinforcements while a settlement was trying to be reached. Abe tried to secretely send them anyway.Abe also refused to meet with Southern leaders or the newly formed Peace Committee.After the firing on Sumter,Abe demanded all states in the Union to send troops South.Now,realize that at this time,only 7 states had seceded.The so called Cotton States.SC,GA,AL,TX,FL,MS,LA. Abe called for 75,000 men for 90 days.(there were only 18,000 men in the US military) Several states refused claiming that States had a right to secede and even though they would stay in the Union,they would not attack another state.Abe DEMANDED they send troops and use deadly force to make them loyal. The states(commonwealth) of VA,NC,TN,and AR then voted AGAIN and this time voted to secede. 7 states out of the Union are now 11. The main point here is that Abe horribly judged what was about to happen. He thought that this war could be won with about 90,000 troops and last less than 3 months. The war lasted 4 years and over 2 million men were called to serve just in the Union army. This poor judgement also caused the secession of 4 more ...

You do seem to be pretty smart so let me add this to think about. "damn good job at president" ??? Sumter was fired on 4 months after SC seceded.Abe had promised not to send reinforcements while a settlement was trying to be reached. Abe tried to secretely send them anyway.Abe also refused to meet with Southern leaders or the newly formed Peace Committee.After the firing on Sumter,Abe demanded all states in the Union to send troops South.Now,realize that at this time,only 7 states had seceded.The so called Cotton States.SC,GA,AL,TX,FL,MS,LA. Abe called for 75,000 men for 90 days.(there were only 18,000 men in the US military) Several states refused claiming that States had a right to secede and even though they would stay in the Union,they would not attack another state.Abe DEMANDED they send troops and use deadly force to make them loyal. The states(commonwealth) of VA,NC,TN,and AR then voted AGAIN and this time voted to secede. 7 states out of the Union are now 11. The main point here is that Abe horribly judged what was about to happen. He thought that this war could be won with about 90,000 troops and last less than 3 months. The war lasted 4 years and over 2 million men were called to serve just in the Union army. This poor judgement also caused the secession of 4 more states.(2 more later) Many say that nobody could have forseen what was coming in that war. I say a great president would have. Lincoln had unlimited supplies and with the importation of foreign men,unlimited soldiers.(25% of the Union army were immigrants).That is what won the war. Nothing great about a leader that just keeps sending more and more and more into war.A great Pesident would have at least met with Southern leaders,something many in his government suggested.But Abe wasn't much on those with opposing views.That's why over 300 NORTHERN newspapers and magazines were shut down.And why over 13,000 NORTHERN civilians were jailed with no charges.They wrote and spoke out against the war and our "greatest" President.
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Bocephus 2012/03/19 20:17:25

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No he was a Christian and a good one too.

In more depth: Proclamation Appointing a National Fast Day

Whereas, the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God, in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation.

And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.

http://showcase.netins.net/we...

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wtxwoman to Bocephus 2012/03/19 21:01:35

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So, what do you do, just discount all the letters and stories about him sleeping with men? What has him being gay got to do with him being a christian? I know he was a good politician and that is about it.

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Bocephus to wtxwoman 2012/03/19 21:35:33 (edited)

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More history channel B.S. Pretty soon all the Presidents are going to be gay. Give me a break. Lets get back to reality.

Abraham Lincoln had a beautiful wife and 4 children. Mary Todd Lincoln and Robert Edward William and Tad.

Mary Todd moved from Lexington, Kentucky, to Springfield, Illinois, in the fall of 1839. Not quite 21 years of age, Mary moved into the home of her older sister, Mrs. Ninian Edwards. Shortly thereafter, at a cotillion, Abraham Lincoln, 30, came up and said to her, "Miss Todd, I want to dance with you the worst way."

http://rogerjnorton.com/Linco...

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wtxwoman to Bocephus 2012/03/19 21:41:44

One has nothing to do with the other and the history channel just got me interested. There is a wealth of information, orginal letters and eye witness accounts of Lincoln and his sleep-overs, especially the ones after he was president.

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Bocephus to wtxwoman 2012/03/19 21:54:52

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More gay propaganda. They would love to claim the best president in History is Gay. Liberal crap in my opinion.

Eye witness. Where , who? I would like to talk to the witness. Oh wait he is dead. How convenient.

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wtxwoman to Bocephus 2012/03/19 23:17:14

There are written accounts of men sleeping with him. It's in the records. He was a racist, too, and yet most Black people call him the Great Emancipator. You say gay propaganda, why not straight propaganda? How many other people in government have been white-washed? Do we dare say...all?

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Bocephus to wtxwoman 2012/03/19 23:23:09

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Who wrote it ?Let's talk to them. Oh wait their dead. And why is this being told Now? Good timing with all the gay marriage garbage going on. ( propoganda) History Channel has been wrong on many things. Look it up. It just sounds like your spreading gossip and lies.

Now he is a racist. Who wasn't back then? Seriously. You give the man zero credit and respect.

Lincoln led the United States successfully through the Civil War, which maintained America as a single country, not two separate ones. He issued the Emancipation Proclamation, which laid the groundwork for ending slavery in the U.S. He gave many eloquent and wise speeches which define what America stands for. He is the embodiment of the American Dream, having risen from being born in a log cabin to become the president of the United States.

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wtxwoman to Bocephus 2012/03/19 23:32:45

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Lincoln on Racial Equality:

I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man.

Lincoln in his speech to Charleston, Illinois, 1858

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wtxwoman to Bocephus 2012/03/19 23:36:32

I'm sure most of these people weren't racists:

The Anti-Slavery Society organised meetings, arranged the signing of petitions, printed and distributed anti-slavery propaganda and employed people to go on lecture tours of the United States. By 1840 the society had 250,000 members, published more than twenty journals and 2,000 local chapters.

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Bocephus to wtxwoman 2012/03/19 23:43:40

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Sounds like you are trying really hard to discredit him. What purpose is this serving you?

The only thing I will give was that he was a lawyer. That's it.

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wtxwoman to Bocephus 2012/03/19 23:57:00

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I want people to know the truth, that's all.

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Bocephus to wtxwoman 2012/03/20 00:02:18

Sure you do .

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wtxwoman to Bocephus 2012/03/20 01:44:17

Why else? I'm not DEM, gay or belong to any group that would profit in any way if he was gay. I am tired of politicians and the games they play.

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Jedmun 2012/03/16 22:40:23

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NO! Lincoln was a VaaAAAAaaaampire Killer!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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FRED 2012/03/05 02:04:32 (edited)

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I am convinced he was gay. I researched this matter a lot. if you are curious enough, there is a book written by C.A. that shows beyond all doubt that Lincoln was gay. Unfortunately there is no absolute answer, only the interpretation of historical accounts like Dr. C.A. Tripp's book The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln. But if Lincoln was indeed gay, it shouldn't affect modern day politics. However is well known Lincoln's gay relationship with friend Joshua Speed, with whom he shared a bed in his 20's. Mr. Trpp's book also cites several letters written by Lincoln, diaries and other historical accounts such as a poem written by a young Lincoln that references two men marrying.

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wtxwoman to FRED 2012/03/05 04:00:46

As far as I'm concerned, Lincoln living and sleeping with a man for four years and remaining friends even after marriage convinces me. People just don't want to believe something they think is bad of their heroes. It's like him being racist, which he clearly was, but yet he is remembered as the 'Great Emancipator'.

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Doug King 2012/03/04 18:58:33

Don't think so and I have no idea why you'd post the question.

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wtxwoman to Doug King 2012/03/04 19:10:19

I told you in the question, it was in the program about Lincoln on the History channel last night. After I looked it up on Google, I think he maybe was gay. I don't know of any men who sleep in the same bed together for four years who arent' gay. Do you?

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Doug King to wtxwoman 2012/03/04 19:33:03

I go with the frog, you got too much free time..and no I don't.

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Simmering Frog 2012/03/04 18:55:36

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Someone has way too much.......

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wtxwoman to Simmeri... 2012/03/04 19:10:52

Why do you think that? It was on the History channel.

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Simmeri... to wtxwoman 2012/03/04 19:13:27

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Oh, the History Channel! Yes, that intellectual institutiuon on cable tv that emphasisis Big Foot and Space Aliens!

It was the History channel so therefore it must have some credence?

No offense but you need to read more.

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wtxwoman to Simmeri... 2012/03/04 19:16:50

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I googled it after that and there are some pretty crediable things being said. They have names and dates and letters, etc.
There is no need to try to insult me. I have probably read more books than you will see in your life time.

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KRIBBEN to wtxwoman 2013/03/22 05:14:16

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2 years after Ann Rutledge had died and his Grocery Store had failed dismally, a penniless and broken Abe Lincoln left New Salem for Springfield, on a borrowed horse, to begin what he called his "experiment as a lawyer".
The morning that Lincoln arrived in Springfield, he tied that horse in front of Joshua F. Speeds general store, the following are Speed's own words:
"He came into my store, set his saddle-bags on the counter, and enquired what the furniture for a single bedstead would cost. I took slate and pencil, made a calculation, and found the sum for furniture complete would amount to seventeen dollars in all. Said he: "it is probably cheap enough, but I want to say that, as cheap as it is; I have not the money to pay. But if you will credit me until Christmas and my experiment here as a lawyer is a success, I will pay you then. If I fail in that I will probably never pay you at all."
The tone of his voice was so melancholy that I felt for him. I looked up at him and thought then, as I think now, that I never saw so gloomy and melancholy a face in my life. And I said to him, "So small a debt seems to affect you so deeply, I think I can suggest a plan by which you will be able to attain your end without incurring any debt. I have a very large room and a very large double ...

2 years after Ann Rutledge had died and his Grocery Store had failed dismally, a penniless and broken Abe Lincoln left New Salem for Springfield, on a borrowed horse, to begin what he called his "experiment as a lawyer".
The morning that Lincoln arrived in Springfield, he tied that horse in front of Joshua F. Speeds general store, the following are Speed's own words:
"He came into my store, set his saddle-bags on the counter, and enquired what the furniture for a single bedstead would cost. I took slate and pencil, made a calculation, and found the sum for furniture complete would amount to seventeen dollars in all. Said he: "it is probably cheap enough, but I want to say that, as cheap as it is; I have not the money to pay. But if you will credit me until Christmas and my experiment here as a lawyer is a success, I will pay you then. If I fail in that I will probably never pay you at all."
The tone of his voice was so melancholy that I felt for him. I looked up at him and thought then, as I think now, that I never saw so gloomy and melancholy a face in my life. And I said to him, "So small a debt seems to affect you so deeply, I think I can suggest a plan by which you will be able to attain your end without incurring any debt. I have a very large room and a very large double bed in it, which you are perfectly welcome to share with me if you choose."
"Where is your room?" he asked.
"Upstairs," said I, pointing to the stairs leading from my store to my room. Without saying a word he took his saddle-bags on his arm, went upstairs, set them down on the floor, came down again, and with a face beaming with pleasure and smiles, exclaimed, "Well, Speed, I'm moved."
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