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Walmart 1, greedy progressive unions 0: Liberals slapped down by reality

☆astac☆~PWCM 2012/11/27 14:20:16
Well the progressive left and their attack on Freedom and Capitalism took a big hit over the weekend. Seems the progressive left has been trying to destroy Walmart for years, and this past weekend was their biggest effort to date. What did it get them, out of 1 million workers, only 50 listened to the progressives. Such an epic fail for the progressives. Lets keep it up, lets keep kicking the progressives until they are out of the country
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  • LarryFine 2012/11/29 18:29:48
    LarryFine
    +1
    What the bone-headed union laborers fail to understand is that crushing businesses and forcing unions in to every labor pool only hurts THEM. If we all signed on to lush benefits, artificially inflated wages, unlimited sick days, etc., everybody would be on the same playing field (i.e. no benefit to being in a union). Guess what, now they will all be demanding more because they are now paying more when the shop at Wal*Mart. And the circle-jerk continues.....
  • Huki68 2012/11/28 20:43:50
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/11/28 20:39:05
  • Jesse-Tired of Liberal Lunacy 2012/11/28 17:57:23
    Jesse-Tired of Liberal Lunacy
    +3
    Yep, keep kicking and eventually maybe we'll kick them all over the border.
  • Old Timer 2012/11/28 17:35:51
    Old Timer
    +5
    No protest at my Walmart. They would have gotten run down.
  • MsDianna 2012/11/28 15:04:23
    MsDianna
    +4
    people need work and Walmart provides work
  • hatter 2012/11/28 14:51:24
  • Wahvlvke 2012/11/28 14:26:47
    Wahvlvke
    +4
    It was a beautiful thing to watch not happen.
  • Seonag 2012/11/28 13:38:01
    Seonag
    +5
    Not one workers walked off the job at the three rural Walmarts within 14 miles of my home. Workers were interviewed by a local reporter and they all said they were happy to have a job and did not see any benefit to joining a union when the starting salary was more than most small business retail workers in our area received.
  • realist 2012/11/28 12:38:42
    realist
    +3
    go walmart!
  • overlord rai 2012/11/28 12:00:08
    overlord rai
    Walmart is a terrible business, and I don't understand why anyone would want to support a company that treats their workers like crap.
  • ☆astac☆... overlor... 2012/11/28 14:25:11
    ☆astac☆~PWCM
    +4
    Seems you are wrong here
  • overlor... ☆astac☆... 2012/11/28 20:57:00
    overlord rai
    Really? Tell me of one person who worked for Walmart who exclaimed, "this job treats me wonderfully!"

    Not only that, but Walmart destroys small businesses.
  • ☆astac☆... overlor... 2012/11/29 04:45:24
    ☆astac☆~PWCM
    +2
    See you are wrong again.
  • overlor... ☆astac☆... 2012/12/01 16:59:20
    overlord rai
    Believe what you please.
    They say ignorance is bliss.
  • ☆astac☆... overlor... 2012/12/01 22:31:34
    ☆astac☆~PWCM
    you are wrong again
  • LarryFine overlor... 2012/11/29 18:33:53
    LarryFine
    +1
    It's not day care, it's a job. Do what you are told while you are on the job. Walmart destroys nothing; it's called competition. Tell me you enjoy paying more money for something you can get for 20% less elsewhere.
  • overlor... LarryFine 2012/12/01 16:58:59
    overlord rai
    Actually, I do shop at small businesses rather than Walmart. I haven't bought anything from Walmart since, well, I was fourteen.
  • LarryFine overlor... 2012/12/04 13:42:55
    LarryFine
    Good for you. Nice somebody has extra money to pay for the same product. As I said, it is not a day care. Nobody is holding a gun to your head. Don't like the working conditions, don't work there.
  • LarryFine overlor... 2012/11/29 18:32:14
    LarryFine
    +1
    Don't like it, don't work there. PERIOD!
  • Andrew 2012/11/28 10:29:39 (edited)
    Andrew
    +6
    Walmart is America. The unions used to be, but are no longer! Walmart rose from an insignificant single store to defeat the giants (Sears, JC Penny and K-Mart) at their own game. If the free market continues, somebody else will replace Walmart in time. That is the way of commerce. Build a better or more attractive mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door!
  • Jeok Andrew 2012/11/28 15:26:26
    Jeok
    +1
    Walmart equals Amercan Slavery.
  • seadog6... Jeok 2012/11/28 17:48:51
  • Andrew Jeok 2012/11/28 21:13:18
    Andrew
    +2
    Oh brother! I hate it when the economic illiterates arrive!
  • LarryFine Andrew 2012/11/29 18:34:57
    LarryFine
    +2
    This guy is off the deep end.
  • LarryFine Jeok 2012/11/29 18:34:37
    LarryFine
    +2
    Never saw any employee in chains making your comment dumb.
  • Ron Han... Andrew 2012/11/28 16:53:17
    Ron Hanforth
    Better Mousetrap and use the Govt to socialize all your liabilities. I am a conservative and Walmart is not the icon of Free Market most Republicans think that they are.
  • Andrew Ron Han... 2012/11/28 21:13:50
    Andrew
    +1
    Explain!
  • Ron Han... Andrew 2012/11/29 18:29:38 (edited)
    Ron Hanforth
    Sure thing.
    Let's start with the fact that Walmart exists only because it has become adept at gorging at the public trough. When wally world came to my town it got: Land it didn't have to pay for, utility upgrades paid for, access improvements it didn't pay for, subsidized workers wages and free training, it's workers are the single largest recipient of state health care..In the state of California alone the highest percentage of employed people on Medicaid in one state work for Walmart! .That's Socialism hiding under the banner of Free market principles.

    But let's applaud them for thumbing their nose at those evil unions, NOT! (it's a smoke screen for the fact that they socialize all of their liabilities).

    Bottom line, when multinational conglomerates get an unfair advantage against their competition by leveraging all of their liabilities, it's not beating the other retailers "at their own game", it's the use of lobbyism, and back door politics that get them success at the cost of you and I..By the way in 2004, Walmart became one of the nation's biggest corporate contributors in Washington).Wal-Mart employees top the list of Medicaid recipients in 21 states, including Texas, that have disclosed the data, including Texas. Texas Rep. Joaquin Castro has introduced legislation t...







    Sure thing.
    Let's start with the fact that Walmart exists only because it has become adept at gorging at the public trough. When wally world came to my town it got: Land it didn't have to pay for, utility upgrades paid for, access improvements it didn't pay for, subsidized workers wages and free training, it's workers are the single largest recipient of state health care..In the state of California alone the highest percentage of employed people on Medicaid in one state work for Walmart! .That's Socialism hiding under the banner of Free market principles.

    But let's applaud them for thumbing their nose at those evil unions, NOT! (it's a smoke screen for the fact that they socialize all of their liabilities).

    Bottom line, when multinational conglomerates get an unfair advantage against their competition by leveraging all of their liabilities, it's not beating the other retailers "at their own game", it's the use of lobbyism, and back door politics that get them success at the cost of you and I..By the way in 2004, Walmart became one of the nation's biggest corporate contributors in Washington).Wal-Mart employees top the list of Medicaid recipients in 21 states, including Texas, that have disclosed the data, including Texas. Texas Rep. Joaquin Castro has introduced legislation that would require Texas’ large employers to disclose their number of employees on state-funded health care programs. Wal-Mart lobbyists have opposed the measure, calling it “unfair.”

    Hard working Americans subsidize Walmart to come into their
    communities through tax refunds. Those dollars come out of your and
    my pockets!

    Then Walmart pays low wages while helping their employees take
    advantage of government programs such as food stamps, child care and
    health care. That comes out of your and my wallets!
    (more)
  • LarryFine Ron Han... 2012/11/29 18:38:22
    LarryFine
    +1
    They get perks when they come to town because municipalities, utilities and others know the payback is tenfold. These negotiations take place every single day in corporate America.

    Tell me something; did you feel such disdain when Obama and unions socialized GM and Chrysler at the expense of all other transportation companies?
  • Ron Han... LarryFine 2012/11/29 18:47:39 (edited)
    Ron Hanforth
    Different set of circumstances, and you are obfuscating my point. Had we let GM and Chrysler declare Chapt 11, all that would have happened was an huge supply chain of mostly American small business (businesses that employ a huge work force), would have gone out of business with a huge job loss. Meanwhile GM and Chrysler would be free of the debt burden, reorganize and find new suppliers that would probably have been outside this country. I did not enjoy bailing them out but the implications of not bailing them out had much deeper and dire consequences for this country.
  • Ron Han... Ron Han... 2012/11/29 18:51:37
    Ron Hanforth
    The only reason why Walmart gets "perks" is because politicians love the way Walmart contributes to washington, and let's not forget that state level politicians can lay claim that during their administration, more jobs were brought to the city and state level ( when in actuality those "more jobs" are mostly the low paying, and state insurance bolstered jobs found at Walmart).
  • LarryFine Ron Han... 2012/11/30 12:42:49
    LarryFine
    +1
    Not different circumstances at all and you just refuse to see these scenarios are exactly the same. You bitched about social handouts for corporations. GM and Chrysler are dismal failures and have been for years. Yet, they went to the welfare office (only because of labor unions and Obama) and got a handout from the rest of us.
  • Ron Han... LarryFine 2012/11/30 15:33:14
    Ron Hanforth
    totally different set of circumstances. Walmart is a PROFITABLE giant, that would be profitable without the handout, the other (GM and Chrysler) was an un profitable giant that would have much deeper job loss implications than the auto workers and therefore devastating effects to economy had they gone chapt 11. The bailout forced them to restructure and streamline and cut out the fat of mismanagement.
    By the way, you do know that Chrysler has repaid $11.2 billion — including $2 billion in undrawn loans — but it is unlikely to recover the rest which amounts to about 1 billion dollars ( when you consider the dire consequences this had for countless number of jobs and our economy, that's a sound contribution in my humble opinion).

    Refuse to see? My eyes are wide open, are yours? Amazing how you choose to go off point and cloud the issue made here, you must work for Walmart.
  • LarryFine Ron Han... 2012/11/30 15:59:37
    LarryFine
    Nothing to do with mismanagement. When 30+ percent of the cost of building one of their automobiles consisted of bloated union wages and benefits, it makes it difficult to make a quality product. Unions put a strangle hold on Detroit for years and got away with it. Competition killed those two companies by providing quality products instead of inferior crap; crap that was used to offset the union perks consumers were actually paying for. Hostess is another fine example.
  • Ron Han... LarryFine 2012/11/30 16:25:56 (edited)
    Ron Hanforth
    you must think I am a fan of unions, far from it. The unions were a contributing detriment to GM and Chrysler, but they were definitely MISmanaged anyway. Back in 2008, GM stock was at a 50 year low -- even when you adjust it for inflation. Why? They claimed the car market was shrinking when in fact it was growing! They refused to see that the market for outdated, denial-based automobiles was over. Resorting to selling off their brands. They bluffed their way for years and when the market conditions could no longer hold up their house of cards they blamed the unions and only the unions for their problems. In other words, had they continued with innovation and adapting to trends, they could have had profits so large, the union issues would be a pimple on their back. By the way, dont take my word for it. There's a fortune magazine article that revealed how poorly managed GM and Chrylser were.
  • LarryFine Ron Han... 2012/11/30 16:33:22 (edited)
    LarryFine
    No. What finally broke their backs was the American feeding frenzy for large SUV's during the final days. They put all their eggs in the SUV basket to meet consumer demand while gas prices were low. When the first Bush (2) gas spike occurred, it crushed their sales like a bug. Put that on top of the issue I already presented and it was a formula for disaster. Their SUV's were the same crap as their autos but, people ignored it in favor of having the big toys. Do you remember when dealerships refused to accept SUV's as trade-ins? I do. That was the last straw and there would be no coming back.
  • Ron Han... LarryFine 2012/11/30 16:39:12
    Ron Hanforth
    exactly. MISMANAGEMENT. They could have kept their gas guzzlers in production for the steadily dwindling proportion of buyers. But at the same time, they could have been leading the way in the design and production of smaller, alternative cars.

    They didn't. The talk about better fuel economy cars has been around since the 70's. Do the math and that works out to something like forty years of oil scarcity being at the top of the public's mind. Forty years is a long time to simply ignore reality.
  • LarryFine Ron Han... 2012/11/30 16:50:06
    LarryFine
    They satisfied their market. People did not want a battery operated car; the VOLT is proof of that. It's too small, too expensive and required government subsidies that still do not entice enough buyers to keep production going. And, this is all happening during one of the largest/longest spikes in gas prices we've ever seen.

    An Edsel is still and Edsel. If you make one that got 100 miles per gallon and nobody wants it, you've failed. You have to give the consumer what they want. The only vehicles short-sited consumers wanted from these companies was their SUV's. They made lots of economy models, but the quality sucked so consumers wanting economy went to Toyota, Honda, etc.
  • Ron Han... LarryFine 2012/11/30 17:32:24 (edited)
    Ron Hanforth
    and when they went to Honda and Toyota what did they buy??? Prius, and Fits and now Nissan with the Leaf. It takes time for a new product to build momentum no matter what it is. But I agree that it better maintain quality along the journey or as you put it, it's an Edsel.

    They satisfied the market? They ignored it for almost 40 years!!

    By the way, Volt sales are improving.
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