Wake Up America!

thank you. most people would rather let each other know how stupid the other is instead of actually do something

There aren't enough informed people. And by the time, if that ever happens, everyone IS informed, there's another level of subterfuge to sift through.
It's always been about the self interests of the few feeding on the complacency of the blissfully under informed.
What can be done to sway the tide to promote the welfare of everyone, even those who are incapable of seeing how the system undermines them? I want to know. What can reasonably be done?

it would have to be a grass roots movement starting with getting LF partisans and RW partisans to see that their staunch support of party religion is contributing to the problem

I'm a bit disappointed, to say the least. I was hoping against hope that there would be something with a little more substance. And what always happens when the grass roots become firmly established? We end up with a new religion with diehard fanatics. I know the solution is not to run away like I do, but getting ensnared in the very thick of the problem leads people to cling in desperation to a sinking ship.
I understand the problem is like people travelling on a boat with two decks. The people on the lower deck are refused water by the people on the upper deck, so decide in delerious desperation to drill a hole in the boat to get water. Now if the people on the upper deck do not prevent this, then the whole ship will sink.

"getting ensnared in the very thick of the problem leads people to cling in desperation" ... and which people are clinging to desperation? Which group wants to return us to "the good ole days"? Which group is clinging to the established norms?

Answer these and you will see why just changing the captain is not going to change a damn thing. It has to come from the people because those desperate souls clinging to the establishment refuse to change course for fear of loss. And we all know the establishment NEVER loses.
What have they been telling us for years? That they are just smarter, they work harder, they know more than the rest of us unwashed masses.

No what they do better than the rest of the working class is CHEAT.

This is like the Titanic sinking and someone telling everybody to "Wake Up".
So you take the time to listen to what he says and he's telling us the ship is registered in the United Kingdom, not the United States.
WTH? How does that help in anyway?

it matters once you get it. Until then you are hung up on shiny bobbles and pretty colored stones.

OK I'll play your game . . .
let's concede that some force from hell rules Congress, the Executive and Judicial branches. Hell, let's concede Satan rules the whole world . . .
Your solution is . . .?

protect yourself.

they are one in the same and we can only blame ourselves.

I have been saying this for years!

America - Land of the Sheep and Home of the Slave!

Never vote for a Goldman Suks candidate again!

Ask the question!!! Why didnt Max or any of them ask Frenchy ... "Revalued against what?"

I like these words..

Revaluation other word for fraud
Recapitalization more extraction more theft more debasing

I like that!

For me it´s an extension to classic double speak.

You've made a valid point. Regardless of which party holds the White House and/or Congress, the working man gets the shaft while the wealthy get richer and welfare abusers get more undeserved bennies. Both parties seem to love spending billions of $$$ we don't have.

There is a difference between the two parties, but it usually draws along social policy lines. When you are talking about protecting wall street and the big global banks, however, you are correct in saying that the dems and reps in Congress are the same.

The similarities stretch beyond just banks... all one needs to do is follow the money.

Everything beyond that is mere distraction.

And one could make the argument that that's all social policy is: a distraction. The more abortion, illegal immigration, gay rights, and creationism in schools gets talked about, the better reps and dems feel because they don't have to talk about how they're not enforcing regulations against the Treasury or against Wall St. investment & shadow banks. They can do things like completely strip-mine the original TARP bill (which was *supposed* to build a money base for homeowners directly, but all that got taken out before it got to the senate) and not a single American voter would be the wiser. It all happens on the DL... hush hush. But wait!!! We just let gays in the military serve openly!!!

My point exactly.

And so to that I would say that for many of us citizens/voters, social policy is important, but for the politicians it really isn't. So on that level there's very little difference. But in the public perception there is a difference. All in all, though, it's an important point to be made, so thanks for posting this. I heard Neil's interview on Marketplace (NPR) on the radio just this last Tuesday. He gave much the same interview to Ky Rysdall as he did in this Yahoo! interview. Scary stuff. I plan on getting his book this weekend.

Social policy for WTP may be important to only WTP.... but if nothing is ever done about then is it really that important? If the politicians recycle these idiotic wedge issues only at election time and then never do anything with them are they really an issue at all or are they only minutia, a shiny object dangled in front of the populace to keep people looking in one direction while the other hand picks your pocket?
Here's a great example ... in 2001 GWB came into the WH and controlled all 3 branches of government. Arguably his largest base of support was the radical Christian right .... he could have made abortion illegal and rammed it through without any opposition what so ever and satisfied his base. Yet the subject was never even brought up for debate ... why? Because its not even an issue. It is recycled garbage in order to whip the partisans up in a frenzy while business as usual continues unabated.

Difference between the two parties? Not a chance. The only difference is what stupid wedge issue motivates what side. And if you got one that gets both sides worked up ..... then that is a 2 for 1 sale.

Well I think George Carlin put it best. Politicians pass social policy laws to give the voting public the illusion that we have rights in this country. But we don't. They figure that if they're constantly tweaking laws about who can marry, about getting equal access to education, and the like, that we'll feel - as a nation - that we're merging towards a more just whole. But behind the scenes it's just business as usual, where the real owners just continue to take our money for themselves. When you start to understand it at that level the politicians almost don't even matter.

no what matters is how much "freedom" can you afford.

Most people don't understand that their freedoms were never guaranteed in the first place. And what rights we think we have now are being eroded away very meticulously. As an electorate bloc do we really have a chance at electing someone who could change that tide? Someone who could repeal the Patriot Act?
Someone who could dismantle the Dept of Homeland Security?
Someone who could repeal prolonged detention under the NDAA of 2012?
Someone who could push effective legislation at regulating the use of drones within our own borders?

Even my best and brighest ideal candidate for POTUS couldn't come close to garnering enough bipartisan support to get all that done.

If there is no difference between the two parties.Then all of you are going to vote for the
dictator Obama.To me there I a difference.I'm for capitalism.That's what made our country.
I believe in free speech and freedom of religion.I believe illegals should be sent back.I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.We should continue our space program.
We should maintain our Armed Forces.No cut backs.

well one thing you said is right .... YOU DONT GET IT!

Please educate me.

Your first assumption is we practice capitalism. We dont, but its understandable that one would assume that since at the street level this is what we see.

As for the rest of your statement that is just the agenda of partisans. Adhering to party religion only facilitates the bigger picture and serves as a distraction for the pleebs.

Well the Democrats don't agree with anything I like.So to me they are opposite.
So there for they are different.
Why are we called Capitatists by other countries?

outside of these ideological "distractions" let me ask you one question:

What is the main rule of capitalism?

Great question!

To make money.

Incorrect. That is the purpose ... NOT the rule. Wanna try again?

You know everything .You tell me.I don't want to play games.

#1 Rule of capitalism is capital risk.
Where there is risk there is reward, or risk of loss.

Tell me who lost in the economic crises?

Obama made the people lose.