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Voter ID Laws: What's More Important?

CaptainPicard 2011/12/23 23:25:19
It's more important to stop the one illegal voter
It's more important to protect the rights of 10,000 legal voters
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I was just on a blog discussing the wave of "voter ID" laws that Republicans have proposed in numerous states, and a question came up that I'd like your opinion on.

Let me preface this by observing that in the 2008 elections there were less than 100 confirmed cases of people who were not entitled to vote managing to cast a vote, out of about 150 million votes cast. That's literally less than one in a million. On the other hand, it turns out that many thousands of people who actually were entitled to vote were not permitted to vote because someone thought their ID wasn't sufficient, or because they were mistaken for someone with a similar name who really wasn't entitled to vote, etc. In 2000 Katherine Harris in Florida knocked over 8,000 people entitled to vote off the voter rolls because their names were similar to the names of people who were convicted of felonies in Texas. There was no background check, no verification of social security numbers, nothing. If "John Smith" was convicted of a felony in Texas and you happened to be a Floridian named "John Smith" there's a good chance you weren't allowed to vote.

So the question is this: Is it worth preventing one ineligible voter from voting if the cost of doing so is preventing 10,000 eligible voters from voting?
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  • Studied 2011/12/24 00:27:35
    It's more important to stop the one illegal voter
    Studied
    Everyone should have an ID if they are voting age. You can hardly do anything without showing and ID.
  • Captain... Studied 2011/12/24 02:53:12
    CaptainPicard
    Agreed. The problem is that some of the states are severely limiting what kind of ID is "acceptable" and in the process depriving many people who are entitled to vote of the opportunity.
  • Rusty Shackleford 2011/12/23 23:40:54
    It's more important to stop the one illegal voter
    Rusty Shackleford
    +1
    One illegal vote is unacceptable.

    Requiring someone to prove who they are in not an infringement.
  • Captain... Rusty S... 2011/12/24 00:11:26
    CaptainPicard
    That wasn't the question. I agree that showing ID is not unreasonable. But restricting what constitutes "acceptable" ID and excluding most of the common forms of ID that most people already have (for instance, Wisconsin will not accept student IDs, even though they're issued by a state school and therefore issued by the State of Wisconsin) is unreasonable, in my humble opinion.

    Could you answer my question if you wouldn't mind? Let's call it a hypothetical - if you had to choose between preventing one illegal voter from voting at the cost of disenfranchising 10,000 people who are entitled to vote or protecting the voting rights of 10,000 legal voters and letting one person slip by, what would you do? Purely hypothetically. I won't hold you to it LOL.
  • Rusty S... Captain... 2011/12/24 00:20:10
    Rusty Shackleford
    Your hypothetical question is too obscure to answer. It assumes the premise that either I allow fraud or prevent legitimate voters from voting.

    Student ID are not acceptable as they are not government issued.

    Could you give me an example of a person who has no government ID, why they don't have one and why they are prohibited from getting one?
  • Captain... Rusty S... 2011/12/24 02:53:53
    CaptainPicard
    If you're going to a State College, your student ID is government issued.
  • Rusty S... Captain... 2011/12/24 02:55:16
    Rusty Shackleford
    No, it's not.
  • Captain... Rusty S... 2011/12/24 02:57:15
    CaptainPicard
    Of course it is. A State College is a government organization. Everything they do is government issued.
  • Defend ... Captain... 2011/12/24 14:04:04
    Defend Western Civlization
    A student id cant be used for cashing a check or buying beer a student id cant be used when applying for AID so no its not acceptable to use to prove your eligible to vote in America
  • Studied Captain... 2011/12/24 00:26:10 (edited)
    Studied
    A school ID does not prove you live in that state and you are required to vote in your district. Therefore, they should be using the absentee ballot. Florida has the problem of the snowbirds who vote in New York and Florida both. Many states already require voter ID.
  • Captain... Studied 2011/12/24 02:55:07
    CaptainPicard
    A student ID proves that you attend a college in that state. I agree there might be a situation where a college is right on the state border and some of the students live across the state line, but then they'd be eligible to vote in that state, assuming they don't have the same restrictive law.
  • Studied Captain... 2011/12/30 21:08:47
    Studied
    Having an ID that proves you attend a college in that particular state does not prove you reside in the state.
  • Defend ... Rusty S... 2011/12/24 14:01:56
    Defend Western Civlization
    +1
    correct
  • Andy 2011/12/23 23:29:06
    Undecided
    Andy
    +1
    How do you know who is and who is not legal, unless you check ID's?!?!?
  • Captain... Andy 2011/12/24 00:12:06
    CaptainPicard
    That wasn't my question. If you had to choose between preventing one illegal voter from voting at the cost of disenfranchising 10,000 people who are entitled to vote or protecting the voting rights of 10,000 legal voters and letting one person slip by, what would you do? Purely hypothetically.
  • Andy Captain... 2011/12/24 00:16:10
    Andy
    You didn't offer a third opinion... and the one question... it is more important to protect the rights of 10000 legal voters...how do you know they are legal??
  • Captain... Andy 2011/12/24 02:56:28
    CaptainPicard
    For purposes of the question, assume the 10000 people are all legally entitled to vote in that state.
  • Andy Captain... 2011/12/24 03:59:27
    Andy
    How do those working at the local polling place know that... ID CARD!!!
  • Captain... Andy 2011/12/24 04:28:05
    CaptainPicard
    Do you understand what a hypothetical question is?
  • Andy Captain... 2011/12/24 06:45:31
    Andy
    YES... Hypothetically... do you walk to work, or carry your lunch??

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