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Virginia Legislature Votes to Oppose Indefinite Detention of Americans without Trial!

Steverno~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/03/03 08:32:20
Lawmakers in Virginia have put aside their partisan differences about health care, contraception and other issues to officially oppose a controversial law passed by Congress and signed by President Barack Obama that allows the federal government to detain Americans without trial for alleged terrorism-related activities.
By votes of 39-1 in the state Senate and 96-4 in the House of Delegates, the legislature approved a bill “to nullify” provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2012.
The Virginia legislation is largely symbolic, as it does not prevent federal agents from arresting terrorism suspects. But the legislative action is part “of a larger NDAA nullification campaign around the country.”
Seven other legislatures are also considering anti-NDAA bills. In addition, several local governments have passed resolutions that either denouncement the federal act or require noncompliance with it.
As previously reported by AllGov:
Obama’s supporters, including Republicans who normally oppose almost everything he does, have tried to defend the bill by saying that it doesn’t really go as far as its critics claim. However, the wording of the act, although carefully phrased, is nonetheless clear.
For example, Obama apologists say that it does not codify indefinite detention. But section 1021 (c-1) allows “Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of hostilities.” A U.S. president can take the position that he is engaged in a war without end. In fact, that is exactly what Presidents Bush and Obama have done. In addition, section (b-2) states that the law applies not just to members of al-Qaeda and the Taliban, but to any person who has “substantially supported” “associated forces.” Because these terms are not defined, Obama would appear to be free to interpret them as he chooses…as would be any future president.
Supporters of the president—and the members of Congress of both parties who passed the bill—dismiss the contention that American citizens can be detained indefinitely. Again the wording is clever, but disturbing. Section 1022 (b-1) states that, in regard to U.S. citizens “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.” The key word here is “requirement.” In other words, the president still has the option to place Americans in indefinite military detention.
Some Americans may say that terrorism suspects should be stopped using any means necessary, and that if a few innocent people are imprisoned without trial by mistake, it’s unfortunate, but it’s better to be safe than sorry. However, there is now nothing to stop the current president of the United States, or the next one or the one after that, from taking advantage of the wording of the law and the fear of enemies to imprison whomever he chooses.
-David Wallechinsky, Noel Brinkerhoff
To Learn More:
Virginia Declares “Emperor Has No Clothes”: NDAA Nullified (by Carl Herman, Examiner.com)
Battle Against NDAA Kidnapping Provisions Cross Party Lines (by Mike Maharrey, Tenth Amendment Center)
Obama Signs into Law Indefinite Detention of Americans without Trial (by David Wallechinsky and Noel Brinkerhoff, AllGov)
Senate Bill Allows Indefinite Imprisonment of Americans without Trial (by Noel Brinkerhoff and David Wallechinsky, AllGov)

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/03/03 13:04:27
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +31
    Every now and again, you get a "no solace" moment: something is outrageous enough for both sides in a long-running political war to come together to condemn it.

    But you had to expect this from Virginia. Have you read the Virginia State seal? See that motto on it? "Sic semper tyrannis." Let me explain: it shows a Roman infantryman planting his foot on a fallen man, with a crown resting nearby. And the translation? "Thus Always to Tyrants."

    Virginia is also the Mother of Presidents (because so many Presidents came from Virginia), *and* the Mother of the Declaration of Independence (and, when you think about it, the Constitution. James Madison wrote most of it, and George Washington ran the convention that proposed it.)

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  • Bureauc 0Bamao 2012/03/07 04:02:48
    Bureauc 0Bamao
    +2
    Outstanding news!
  • urwutuis 2012/03/06 07:18:55
    urwutuis
    They're going to have to repeal the patriot act too or it's meaningless and I don't necessarily agree that the term requirement is a problem although I would want to read the entire section before stating that categorically
  • Teri- Oregon 2012/03/06 00:09:10
    Teri- Oregon
    +1
    thank god we need more states to do this
  • 9th of 9 2012/03/05 23:56:26
    9th of 9
    This man opposses it with every breath he takes. Ever heard of him? He is running for President Ron Paul for liberty
  • BlueRep... 9th of 9 2012/03/09 00:15:10
    BlueRepublican
    +1
    He's not a flip flopper, he doesn't wear sweater vests and doesnt want a 'moon colony'
    He's got my vote, RP2012!!
  • 9th of 9 BlueRep... 2012/03/09 01:09:09
    9th of 9
    +1
    Some of these flippin people around here better start reading up on what an "anticipatory democracy" is. If they knew, they would not like it.

    Wasn't it the Mormons who moved west years ago to claim their own Country outside the bounds of the U.S. Constitution?

    And Lobbyists are just plain suited thieves.
  • BlueRep... 9th of 9 2012/03/09 01:32:13
    BlueRepublican
    Don't say that 9th!! People could find out they're losing their civil liberties. They might find out what the FED is secretly doing. They might see we're bankrupt. They might WAKE UP!!!
  • 9th of 9 BlueRep... 2012/03/09 10:33:20
    9th of 9
    Find out??? Hell they know they are!!

    They just feel it will be a smoother, softer fall into tyranny with one of these three shoving it down their throat. For some, I guess, you have to cut their foot off before they feel the threat of someone cutting their foot off is REAL.
    romney gingrich santorum
  • BlueRep... 9th of 9 2012/03/09 11:00:42
    BlueRepublican
    We're feeling it. In higher food prices, gas prices, education, healthcare, jobs, housing, etc..The govt tells you inflation's at 2%, then why would anyone believe they have a clue about what's going on? Ask people at the gas pump and at the grocery store how they feel!!
  • Red_Horse 2012/03/05 04:20:15
  • linda ~PWCM~JLA 2012/03/04 16:33:02
    linda   ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    I love this. Finally!!! Some things seem to be coming to a head for BO. Hope all States follow suit.
  • gary 2012/03/04 08:18:25
  • wers 2012/03/04 03:06:50 (edited)
    wers
    +3
    jUST what the HELL is wrong with the VA. legislature? Sure, the new Obama Law makes it possible to hold citizens indefinately, without any protection of their "former rights" as American citizens, but didn't they hear the Great One assure everyone that "it could happen, but he wouldn't allow it" even though he signed it into law? Don't they believe him?
  • linda ... wers 2012/03/04 16:22:48
    linda   ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    haha Anyone that believes him needs a shock treatment.
  • wers linda ... 2012/03/04 23:08:24
    wers
    +2
    I doubt if it would help them....shock treatment requires a brain to have any affect.
  • linda ... wers 2012/03/05 03:36:39
    linda   ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    A brain would be a requirement. haha
  • 9th of 9 wers 2012/03/05 23:34:08
    9th of 9
    +1
    More than that, Maybe everyone running around here and in the rest of the country should look into the Republicans that signed it too.

    While they're at it TAKE GOOD LOOK AT THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES that support it as well.

    They are traitors just the same.
  • wers 9th of 9 2012/03/06 02:40:33
    wers
    +1
    I agree.....anyone who signed it should pay the price.....as far as Presidential Candidates....the unfortunate part of any candidate is not what they say or "promise", but their past ......the best scrutiny of any and all candidates should always be their past record........if they have non, well then, no votes until they have worked long enough to show us if they have what it takes to lead the greatest and most complicated business in the world...the USA.....this is one of the most disturbing parts of Obama's past....he has none....no experience, no history, nada.....if we judge him by his political record....no one would vote for him unless they are vote ONLY by party affiliation....that is very sad, and destructive to our nation.
  • 9th of 9 wers 2012/03/06 13:06:12
    9th of 9
    It is plain to see that most here spouting off about the Law, have no room to talk at all. Sure they oppose Obama for what he's done, I do too, but in the next breath they can't go falling head over heels in love with Marco Rubio, and Allen West either.

    The R and The D behind their names mean nothing.
  • wers 9th of 9 2012/03/07 05:27:36
    wers
    +1
    You are so right.....NEVER fall head over heels with ANY candidate! We must eliminate the belief that PARTIES are worth supporting regardless of who represents them....and realize that parties are simply self serving...POWER.....every candidate must be scrutinized for their past performance, accomplishments and failures....we can not, and MUST not support anyone who has no history, no accomplishments, and never ever support anyone who does not support and protect the CONSTITUTION 100%.
  • Ken 2012/03/04 03:00:58
    Ken
    +2
    Good for them.
  • Freeranger 2012/03/04 01:40:28
    Freeranger
    +3
    Hurrah for Old Virginia. Let us now concentrate on throwing out the Socialist in Chief, ALL Congressional bums, along with lobbyists, abolishing Congressional health benefits and other life time perks, and restoring law and order in Washington. When we have men and women who are no longer able to capitalize on their positions, we'll have real men and women interested in what's best for our country.
  • TuringsChild 2012/03/04 01:16:47
    TuringsChild
    +3
    Wow. Politicians actually capable of doing something for the common good???
    AMAZING!
  • Striker 2012/03/04 00:46:40
    Striker
    +4
    Good for Virginia; good for ANY state that does that.
    NOW THEN, why do not States Rights reign in all matters? Why should everyone be forced to fend off tyranny at each and every turn?
  • spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul
    +2
    I applaude VA for standing up for what they believe is right. The bill needs alot of work before it is passed.............get the damn thing done right and then let it be passed.
  • MadAsHEck 2012/03/04 00:04:35
    MadAsHEck
    I do not like that Law to say the least, but the timeing seems to be interesting.

    That bill was passed just as the Occupy people and the Unions begin to threaten More Militant and Guerilla tactics in their next round of battle. The SEIU and AFL/CIO are training people in Hit and Run tactics. Hit and get away before the police can respond.

    The only way we can possibly control a mob that outnumbers the Authorities, which is their goal, is to lock them up and keep them locked up till they calm down. As it is now they get arrested, and are back out doing mischief in hours. I know it is not the American Way, but neither is allowing our society to be threatened by vandalism and Rioting in the streets.

    I also know all Occupy folks are not bad people, just the Useful Idiots being led by those with an agenda against our country. Bill Ayers and Van Jones to name just the tip of the Iceberg.

    So far in the past 2 weeks, the Occupy people have hit, and accepted responsibility for, damage to banks here in Seattle, and Portland, causing thousands in damage. And put Oakland Policemen in the hospital.
  • Turings... MadAsHEck 2012/03/04 01:18:35
    TuringsChild
    If those union thugs don't watch out, people are going to start living with guns on their persons to protect themselves from them.
  • Mike 2012/03/03 23:33:28
    Mike
    +8
    Way to go Virginia - let's hope this spreads to other states like a wild fire
  • doc moto 2012/03/03 22:57:06
    doc moto
    +4
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
    QUADRUPLICATION DITTOS ON THIS ONE, SAYS IT ALL, GET RID OF O-CARE AND NDAA WHERE IT ATTACKS OUR RIGHTS AS LAW ABIDING CITIZEN OF THE USA...
  • linda ... doc moto 2012/03/04 16:24:15
    linda   ~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    Kudo's doc !!!
  • doc moto linda ... 2012/03/04 21:49:31
    doc moto
    +1
    Gracias; Muy Linda!
  • Biki~pwcm/potl~ 2012/03/03 22:08:20
    Biki~pwcm/potl~
    +7
    More states had better get on board with this. States are losing their rights to the federal government.
  • Tennessean Biki~pw... 2012/03/03 22:27:49
    Tennessean
    +6
    No state should have to get on board, because the new law is clearly unconstitutional because it violates our constitutional rights, and as such, it should require everyone that voted for it, or signed it, should be removed from office, and prosecuted for violation of their oath to uphold and defent our constitution.
  • Biki~pw... Tennessean 2012/03/03 22:44:19
    Biki~pwcm/potl~
    +4
    good point. The Constitution hasn't held back the wave of tyranny that has already happened over the decades.
  • spiderm... Biki~pw... 2012/03/04 00:31:23
    spidermonkey™POTL~PWCM~JLA☮Paul
    +3
    Amen!!
  • DS in Oak Ridge NC 2012/03/03 21:41:25 (edited)
    DS in Oak Ridge NC
    +4
    Good move. While Terrorism has a generally clear and broadly understood definition, this law does not define it or proscribe it - or the law's other crucial terms - to ensure that it says what it means and means what it says... no more, and no less. As we routinely see with revisionist jurists, laws and words can be interpreted to mean whatever they now want it to...
  • bman~AVA~BTTB 2012/03/03 21:28:09
    bman~AVA~BTTB
    +8
    Wow! Isn't that just special here? And I'm sure the current regime would find all kinds of freedom loving citizens that he would consider terrorists just because they don't like what he's doing to our country at the moment. I say way to go Virginia! Good deal.
  • Biki~pw... bman~AV... 2012/03/03 22:06:02
    Biki~pwcm/potl~
    +8
    anyone who owns a gun, is old, has attended a Tea Party Rally, been a vet or stores more then a few days worth of food now falls into the catagory of a domestic terrorist. We've hoisted ourselves on our own petard. We were looking for safety from terrorists and have become terrorists ourselves by their definition.
  • bman~AV... Biki~pw... 2012/03/03 23:20:02
    bman~AVA~BTTB
    +5
    Miss Bikicat I couldn't have said it any better myself. You are spot on sweet lady!
  • Biki~pw... bman~AV... 2012/03/03 23:27:42
    Biki~pwcm/potl~
    +5
    thanks bman. =-)

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