Vietnam Bans Smoking in Public: Great Idea or Too Extreme?

Fat from lack of exercise - their choice.

Genetics - my grandfather smoked almost 80 years of his life. Finally his brain just went poof. Nothing smoking related.

And you call me illogical?

I was making the point that lack of exercise and bad genetics is not dangerous to the environment, and neither is being fat.

So you are saying it's logical to say that because some other person smoked for 80 years and didn't die from smoking related causes, that it's okay for you to smoke for 80 years and expect the same thing to happen to you? Yes you are being illogical.

I showed where the secondary effects of consuming so much food is dangerous to the environment just like you state second hand smoke is.

Did you not read it?

"So you are saying it's logical to say that because some other person smoked for 80 years and didn't die from smoking related causes, that it's okay for you to smoke for 80 years and expect the same thing to happen to you? "

No snapshot... I am telling you you have no friggin right to tell me what I can and cannot do when it isn't illegal in the first place. That's what I am doing. If I want to smoke a cigarette on the street where it is legal to do so I will. You walk away then.

I did read it and I did not see any secondary effects of being fat that are dangerous to the environment. Landfills are fine as long as they are used correctly.

I never said that you shouldn't be smoking. Quit taking it so personal. I am only saying why I think Vietnam's ban on cigarettes is a good idea.

It's sad that you let a drug control your behavior. Considering cigarettes kill 500k people every year in the US, I hope you quit the habit soon. Until then, at least have fun smoking those cigs. Here's some other things that you're smoking. Besides the route of administration, you and huffers have a lot in common.
Ammonia: Toilet cleaner.
Arsenic: Used in rat poisons.
Benzene: Used in making dyes, synthetic rubber.
Butane: Gas; used in lighter fluid.
Carbon monoxide: Poisonous gas.
Cadmium: Used in batteries.
Cyanide: Lethal poison.
DDT: A banned insecticide.
Ethyl Furoate: Causes liver damage
Lead: Poisonous in high doses.
Formaldehyde: Used to preserve dead specimens.
Methoprene: Insecticide.
Methanol: Rocket fuel.
Maltitol: Sweetener for diabetics.
Napthalene: Ingredient in mothballs.
Nicotine: Insecticide.
Methyl isocyanate: Its accidental release killed 2000 people in Bhopal, India, in 1984.
Polonium: Cancer-causing radioactive element.
Urea: The main substance in urine.

ammonia : It found in life an very important to humans and animals. It is found in the air soil and water. You breathe it eat it and create it everyday.

Arsenic is found in foods as well. Baby food contains it.

Carbon Monoxide - important for plant photosynthesis

Cadmium - found in food coloring

I obviously did not cut and paste that and am not going to go through everything you cut and paste.

Yes in very trace amounts. Unlike cigarettes.

You are thinking of carbon dioxide, not carbon monoxide, as being important for photosynthesis.

Argumentum ad nauseam.

Yup you got me. It is CO2. 1 out of 4 not bad.

Argumentum ad nauseam.

People do not get fat from lack of exercise and genetics.They get fat from consuming more food than their body uses. Landfills containing petroleum products, metals, chemicals, non-degradables, and many other products are dangerous to the environment.

Government that governs least governs best. The Federal Reserve Bank needs to be abolished and the U.S. Constitution must be obeyed in order to have lawful government for and by the People.

Funny how chemtrail poisoning is "legal" but smokers then are not allowed to create their trace amount of pollution? Natural pollution exists too from things like volcanic eruptions. Is government next going to ban volcanoes from erupting? Think this out people!

Look, I'm offended when being recorded by surveillance cameras in public because it denies me of my natural right to privacy (4th Amendment, U.S. Constitution) but too few prominent people are actively trying to have this unlawful surveillance practice banned. America has its priorities all wrong today. I say if you don't like smoking then stay away from people who smoke, don't go to their homes, don't go to smoking sections of restaurant, don't go to smoking rooms in hotels and don't buy cigarettes or cigars.

The problem isn't pollution, it's the fact it kills people, smells horrible, stains clothes and second hand smoke is also dangerous. Personally, I think that it should be subject to a referendum, like all other forms of safety and morality in public.

However, very difficult to enforce. Jails full of smokers doesn't seem like a good idea.

its easy you let out all the rapist and murders and robbers ...cause after all they are not to blame its "societies fault" - but if someone smokes or fails to pay taxes or just makes to much money that is what we need the power of government to punish ! LOL@libtardation!

Cigarettes suck

awesome idea
I hope it catches on here in the States
I hate it when I have to breathe in someone's cigar smoke. It's disgusting and detrimential to health.
Why do people run the risk of developing cancer and continue smoking? Are they really that dense?

do you eat processed food?

LOL- good luck buying into the LIE that cancer comes from smoking .

Lie? It is a fact that smoking causes lung cancer.

Actually the nicotine in cigarettes can cause cancer. Then just about anything causes cancer. The kicker.. why is it that some people who do not smoke contract cancer and some that do smoke never get cancer?

Very interesting.....

There are large amounts of a variety of carcinogens in tobacco. And yes, most things can cause cancer, but tobacco contains Higher amounts of carcinogens are are highly addictive. Some people are more resistant to different types of cancer.

Yes I know those reasons. It is interesting though. So is nicotine the cause or was some genetic flaw the real cause and nicotine just increased it.

Nicotine doesn't have much to do with it, it's the Various carcinogens in it;
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/ind...
and various others - Nicotine is just what makes it ultra-addictive. The nicotine itself isn't very bad for you. And genes can make you much more likely to get a certain type of cancer, and faulty genes in particular - if cells are made that don't automatically destroy themselves after a certain amount of time, due to genetics, they will cause cancer.

After reading what I wrote. Well your right. Nicotine is the addictive property. It is also a narcotic which. Nicotine is toxic to human. Like any other narcotic. Just at low doses it acts as a drug.

It is the other 3000-4000 chemicals added to cigarettes that cause the most harm.

It's toxic, sure. It's almost as bad as alcohol. But it's the various chemicals, like the ones used for preserving dead bodies, that are carcinogens.

Formaldehyde. Yeah we had some dude lacing his joints with the stuff.

I can't argue that.

Lovely stuff... Not something you want in your lungs.

Is that what you're telling children these days?

How much are the cigarette companies paying you?

I wonder how much the cigarette companies are paying the government?

Not enough. If we have to breath it we should get new roads and better
fire fighting resources to put out the fires from cigarettes.

So 3 bucks a pack in tax is not enough?

If they charged 20 bucks a pack do you think nicotine addicts
would start working the streets?

I can tell you from experience I said when smokes hit 4 bucks a pack I was going to stop. Well I was paying 6 bucks a pack.

Sad thing is they will probably allow welfare recipients to use that money.

I would welcome this in any country. Cigarettes must be abandoned.

Is abandoning freedom a good idea also?

Only if the single effect of that freedom is the harming of humanity.

cigarettes are so much fun to smoke that they blind people to their lethal effects. very few lifetime smokers don't get nicked by old man nicotine by their early to late 50s, much too young to start getting gravely ill. it sucks, but there you have it. what vietnam and all other nations should do is give FDA [or their country's equivalent, if any] approval to the electronic cigarette, which is by no means as harmful as the real thing but just about as enjoyable. good for vietnam; this problem will only be licked by employing a variety or methods, including social engineering. hey, don't blame me for cigarettes' danger. i don't like it any better than you do, but i'm willing to be realistic about it.

Asia has been coddling smokers too long and they have wrought havoc.
Examples: On board a bus in Shanghai, I saw men smoking with the bus windows closed. The smoke was unbearable. I finally decided to fight and the next time a guy tried to light up, I shouted, in Chinese "NOOOOO! Don't light that cigarette." I then explained that my daughter had asthma. He hesitated for a while and then lit up.
In Japan, I was in a small town restaurant and a gent came over and sat at my table (a common practice. You don't "own" the rights to a table by virtue of finding one and being the first to sit there).
He asked if he could smoke. I said no, please don't. He hesitated and then did anyway.

Are they really that rude in the Orient?

Well sometimes yu just can't get anything done without a benevolent dictator.

If a country is to survive the costs of medical care it is going to have to get proactive about behavior modification. That or you can do the inhumane thing and deny medical coverage to smokers.

Statistics show that obesity causes as many health problems or more than smoking, health costs for obesity problems even override smoking costs so said a report I read a year or so ago. If they want to deny medical coverage to smokers, they should deny it to overweight people too. I also think since they tax cigarettes so high, they should tax fattening foods that aren't healthy. One is as bad as the other, so don't focus on only one group of people.