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Veteran Marine Sergeant Victim Of Pre-Crime Authoritarianism

Daniel 2012/08/22 16:06:55
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Veteran Marine Sergeant Victim Of Pre-Crime Authoritarianism
By Brandon Smith, Associate Editor

During the height of communist power in the former Soviet Union, the corrupt establishment bureaucracy often sought out ways in which they could deal with or silence dissident movements and outspoken individuals while avoiding public exposure and minimize blowback from the Russian populace. A very effective method they devised was the use of the 'Psikhushka', or psychiatric prisons where activists against the state could be held indefinitely, isolated from other prisoners and the rest of the world. By housing dissidents in mental hospitals, the Soviet government hoped that the public would assume that the prisoners were "psychologically unstable or deranged" and that if the activist ever did get word to others about his political incarceration, no one would believe his claims anyway.

The strategy allowed the Soviets to severely stifle anti-government speech for quite some time, feeding terror into the citizenry who now carefully censored themselves for fear of authoritarian retribution, not to mention the possible betrayal of friends and neighbors who might turn them in for a pat on the head from the state. In fact, the widespread propaganda that the communists promoted amongst the public was that anyone who actually did speak out against the government "had to be mentally ill", creating entirely new clinical designations to categorize those who refused to comply. Professors operating in the Soviet run Moscow Serbsky Institute claimed that:

"Most frequently, ideas about a struggle for truth and justice are formed by personalities with a paranoid structure..."

Now, compare this abuse of psychiatry to the DSM-IV-TR manual used by doctors today in the diagnosing of mental illness. In it, you will find the term "oppositional defiance disorder", a supposed illness which encompasses anybody who is disobedient, defiant, a free thinker, or even considered hostile toward authority.

The pigeonholing of political activists and anti-authoritarians is a process that is alive and well in the U.S. today. This fact has been made even more apparent by the abrupt detainment or (non-arrest-arrest) of Marine Sergeant Brandon Raub of Chesterfield County, Virginia for posts he made to his Facebook page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v;=YaE5z...


Early reports on the event were sparse, and so far the mainstream media has stayed away from the issue entirely. However, new information is slowly surfacing, and here is what we know so far...

The FBI, the Chesterfield County Police, and apparently the Secret Service were videotaped by Raub's family hauling him away in handcuffs. These agencies claim that Brandon is "not under arrest".

Dee Rybiski, a spokeswoman for the Richmond FBI office, would not comment on the matter except to reiterate that no arrest had been made.

"We don't comment on mental-health issues or anything like that," she said. "We simply went to speak with him about the many complaints that we had gotten about his posts."

http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2012/aug/20/tdmet01-veteran-h...

The local police reiterated that "there is no criminal matter" and that they were only present to help the FBI transport Raub.

This is a rather strange stance on the part of law enforcement officials, considering they claimed during the incident that Raub was taken away for "resisting arrest". I would love to hear the FBI's explanation on how a man can resist arrest without officially being arrested...?

According to Raub's family, he was never read his Miranda Rights. And, Raub himself stated:

"I talked to a Secret Service gentleman for 20, 30 minutes," Raub said. "I was very cooperative and answered everything honestly..."

Raub is currently being held at the Salem VA Medical Center, where he is to be "detained" after a hearing before a judge who has enforced a 96 hour "observation period":

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2012/aug/19/tdmet02-c...

The comments which allegedly sparked his persecution included references on Facebook to the government's complicity in 9/11, his belief that there will be a revolution in America, and suggestions that the Bush family is populated with "child rapists".

Whether or not you agree with any of Raub's assertions, the bottom line is that under the First Amendment he is perfectly within his rights to publicly uphold them. There is no law against "conspiracy theory", at least, not yet...

Raub's family has also stated that the FBI believes some of his comments to be "terroristic" and threatening in nature. The only comment that I could find that could be even remotely interpreted as threatening is this post from August 13:

"Sharpen up my axe; I'm here to sever heads..."

This is NOT a statement that could be upheld in any respectable courtroom as being a specific threat and is not prosecutable. Also as it turns out, the line is a lyric from a song by the band 'Swollen Members' entitled "Bring Me Down":

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/swollenmembers/bringmedown.html

So, apparently if the FBI does not like your taste in tunes you can be whisked away to a mental hospital. Take note music fans...

Raub's other comments include:

"If you are unaware of the great amount of evil perpetrated by the American Government I suggest you take ... your head out of the sand. The day of reckoning is almost at hand."

"I am standing against a great evil. I will do it all by myself if I have to."

This is obviously not a mentally ill person, but a political activist and dissident being subjected to a new standard of "Pre-Crime" on the part of our government. This action is, in my view, meant to set a precedent by which many other veterans and common citizens who oppose the criminality of the establishment will be subjected, detained, and who knows what could happen after. The sky is truly the limit.

Pre-Crime arrests also cause self-censorship in the public, as well as encourage a tattle-tale culture of simpering slaves. I believe Brandon Raub's "detainment" is a test case for the demonization and prosecution of the Liberty Movement as a whole, and a primary step in the destruction of free speech in America. If we do not take this event seriously, and attack it with every effort, we cannot expect to be saved when the pre-crime police are one day sent to our own doorsteps.

UPDATE, August 22, 2012:
Chesterfield Police Department Statement
Rutherford Institute Attorneys' Statement About Case
Local News Article: Chesterfield Marine Veteran to Remain Detained Over Facebook Posts.

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  • Dave**Gay for Girls** 2012/08/22 19:09:05
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    I think some of the FBI and police should be 'not arrested' and hauled away in handcuffs to a mental facility when they pull this type of non-constitutional, illegal kind of action.

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  • Pyro-82 2012/09/06 16:46:37
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    I never really have trusted anyone whos job is to suspect thers at al ties.
  • Odinsown 2012/09/05 05:52:10
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    If your government does not fear you, you are a serf not a citizen.
  • Lanikai Odinsown 2012/10/02 17:46:33
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    And with this admin, we are all serfs.
  • Teri- Oregon 2012/09/05 05:26:16
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    he has been released
  • Odinsown Teri- O... 2012/09/05 05:46:08
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    That is the first good news to come out of this.
  • Evan 2012/09/03 15:53:41
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    Unconscionable.
  • Freedom Mom 2012/08/24 08:26:03 (edited)
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    I would have to agree with the article about Pre-crime Authoritarianism. What happend to Brandon J Raub is an out rage. Reguardless if anyone agrees with his opinion or what he posted on facebook or not.

    The First Amendment- Freedom of speach is under attack and the media fans the flames to confuse the mass.

    All military or military veterans pleaged an oath to the Constitution then their rights for those who have served this country have the same Constitutional rights as citizens and should be defended also. Americans should support the military and veterans their freedom of speach is under attack.

    I believe this was a beta test, and this beta test is also happening all over America to alot of people. Their voices should be heard and the truth must be revealed.
    http;//www.infowars.com/attor...
  • Daniel Freedom... 2012/08/24 08:27:06
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    Freedom "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

    Freedom • Politics and Government "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

    PLEASE AND I MEAN REALLY REALLY, PLEASE READ THIS AND TELL ME WHAT YOU SEE ! WARNING THIS SHOULD SCARE THE BEJESUS OUT OF YA.

    Adolf Hitler's Speech to the German Nation, Berlin
    FEBRUARY 1, 1933
    Page 3

    May the good will of all others assist in the fulfillment of this our earnest wish for the welfare of Europe and of the whole world. Great as is our love for our Army as the bearer of our arms and the symbol of our great past, we should be happy if the world, by reducing its armaments, would see to it that we need never increase our own.

    If, however, Germany is to experience this political and economic revival and conscientiously fulfill her duties toward the other nations, one decisive step is absolutely necessary first: the overcoming of the destroying menace of communism in Germany. We of this Government feel responsible for the restoration of orderly life in the nation and for the final elimination of class madness and class struggle. . Reich's präsident von...




































    thomas jefferson government fears people liberty people fear government tyranny
    Freedom "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

    Freedom • Politics and Government "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

    PLEASE AND I MEAN REALLY REALLY, PLEASE READ THIS AND TELL ME WHAT YOU SEE ! WARNING THIS SHOULD SCARE THE BEJESUS OUT OF YA.

    Adolf Hitler's Speech to the German Nation, Berlin
    FEBRUARY 1, 1933
    Page 3

    May the good will of all others assist in the fulfillment of this our earnest wish for the welfare of Europe and of the whole world. Great as is our love for our Army as the bearer of our arms and the symbol of our great past, we should be happy if the world, by reducing its armaments, would see to it that we need never increase our own.

    If, however, Germany is to experience this political and economic revival and conscientiously fulfill her duties toward the other nations, one decisive step is absolutely necessary first: the overcoming of the destroying menace of communism in Germany. We of this Government feel responsible for the restoration of orderly life in the nation and for the final elimination of class madness and class struggle. . Reich's präsident von Hindenburg has called upon us to bring about the revival of the German nation. Unity is our tool. Therefore we now appeal to the German people to support this reconciliation. The National Government wishes to work and it will work. It did not ruin the German nation for fourteen years, but now it will lead the nation back to health. It is determined to make well in four years the ills of fourteen years. But the National Government cannot make the work of reconstruction dependent upon the approval of those who wrought destruction. The Marxist parties and their lackeys have had fourteen years to show what they can do. The result is a heap of ruins.

    Now, people of Germany, give us four years and then pass judgment upon us. In accordance with Field Marshal von Hindenburg's command we shall begin now. May God Almighty give our work His blessing, strengthen our purpose, and endow us with wisdom and the trust of our people, for we are fighting not for ourselves but for Germany.

    President-Elect Barack Obama's Speech
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    ...And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn — I may not have won your vote, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your President too.

    And to all those watching tonight from beyond our shores, from parliaments and palaces to those who are huddled around radios in the forgotten corners of our world — our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American leadership is at hand. To those who would tear this world down — we will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security — we support you. And to all those who have wondered if America's beacon still burns as bright — tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from our the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity, and unyielding hope.

    For that is the true genius of America — that America can change. Our union can be perfected. And what we have already achieved gives us hope for what we can and must achieve tomorrow. This election had many firsts and many stories that will be told for generations. . America, we have come so far. We have seen so much. But there is so much more to do. So tonight, let us ask ourselves -if our children should live to see the next century what progress will we have made?

    This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment. This is our time - to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American Dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth — that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope, and where we are met with cynicism, and doubt, and those who tell us that we can't, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people:

    Yes We Can. Thank you, God bless you, and may God Bless the United States of America

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  • Freedom... Daniel 2012/08/24 09:03:30
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    My friend I have been scared for along time. America may have won WWII but communisum has been imported to America by the Vatican with the ratline and into NASA, and alot of the ABC groups. The roots of ugenitics that the Germans used came from America when American citizens were ordered into a court rooms to be steralized that were retarded or mentally ill.
    If only the American people would wake up all they have to do is LOOK at the State Symbols of the USSR it is telling people something its about World Communisum this is happening on a Global scale. Russia didn't start communisum it was a victum of this and the illuminati uses it as a tool. There are government documents to back this up I have read them. The logo on Obama's Presidentual Campaign button is the Sun rising over the mountains. Dawn of a New Day is the symbol of the Dawning of World Communisum and the begining of the New Man- which means man will become extinct because (as like Hitler) genocide will begin and the illuminati are preparing this planet for a New World Leader (an enitity) to rule.

    It will be worse than Germany, at least if the Jews listen and left Germany they could survive in another country. But there will be no other country to run to because this will be going on world wide. The symbols of co...
    My friend I have been scared for along time. America may have won WWII but communisum has been imported to America by the Vatican with the ratline and into NASA, and alot of the ABC groups. The roots of ugenitics that the Germans used came from America when American citizens were ordered into a court rooms to be steralized that were retarded or mentally ill.
    If only the American people would wake up all they have to do is LOOK at the State Symbols of the USSR it is telling people something its about World Communisum this is happening on a Global scale. Russia didn't start communisum it was a victum of this and the illuminati uses it as a tool. There are government documents to back this up I have read them. The logo on Obama's Presidentual Campaign button is the Sun rising over the mountains. Dawn of a New Day is the symbol of the Dawning of World Communisum and the begining of the New Man- which means man will become extinct because (as like Hitler) genocide will begin and the illuminati are preparing this planet for a New World Leader (an enitity) to rule.

    It will be worse than Germany, at least if the Jews listen and left Germany they could survive in another country. But there will be no other country to run to because this will be going on world wide. The symbols of communisum are all over they are on Military logos, The Roman Fasci on either side of the Senate tells anyone who the senate rule for. All over National Flags of other countries have symbols of communisum on them,all one has to do is look. Watch Jordan Maxwell Dawn of a New Day on you tube and look at the documents he backs up what he says.
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  • Daniel Freedom... 2012/08/24 23:54:23
  • Freedom... Daniel 2012/08/25 02:20:42
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    Thank you, Daniel.
  • Connor June 2012/08/24 01:27:08
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    Connor June
    He did seem pretty insane, based on what he wrote on his facebook wall. I just don't know, if he actually became a terrorist and tried to kill people, like he was calling out for people to do, the government would be blamed for a lack of action, but, they couldn't do anything either, since he hasn't committed a crime, It would be much better if he could have been put in an asylum
  • Daniel Connor ... 2012/08/24 02:34:59
    Daniel
    +2
    You are way off ! but your only 16, heck you just figured out how to stand and go pee ! LOL... But thanks for trying...
    16 heck figured pee lol

    have you figured this apparatus out yet? LOL, when ya do, then you will be 1 step closer to enlightenment.
  • Odinsown Connor ... 2012/09/05 05:47:50
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    I am curious what you found to "seem pretty insane"? I am curious is all.
  • SFCDDT Connor ... 2012/09/05 13:59:33
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    He didn't say anything worse than what the new black panther party leaders are spouting. They call for the murder of cracker babies and hang out at polling places with the intent to intimidate republican voters and the govt does nothing. Gewgle it.
  • Matt 2012/08/23 20:28:21
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    +3
    Meaningful news and totally missed by our corporate media.

    If it weren't for people like Julian Assange, we wouldn't get any news at all. He came up with more scoops in a year than the rest of the media combined.
  • Daniel Matt 2012/08/24 00:15:21 (edited)
    Daniel
    +2
    Veteran Marine Sergeant Victim Of Pre-Crime Authoritarianism, is FREE! today by court order ! YEAH !!!
    THE CONSTITUTION ROCKS

    Freedom "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

    Freedom • Politics and Government "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

    thomas jefferson government fears people liberty people fear government tyranny
  • holly g... Matt 2012/08/24 01:08:58
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    +2
    that was totally intentional.
  • Barbi Rose 2012/08/23 15:08:39
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    Barbi Rose
    +1
    I think I need more information it could be very bad but now adays with all the freaks out there they might be erroring on the side of caution.
  • Daniel Barbi Rose 2012/08/24 00:28:51
    Daniel
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    REMEMBER THESE YOUNG LADY ! PRICE OF FREEDOM IS NOT CHEAP

    Freedom "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

    Freedom • Politics and Government "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

    thomas jefferson government fears people liberty people fear government tyranny
  • Barbi Rose Daniel 2012/08/29 15:58:50
    Barbi Rose
    Hey Thomas Jefferson was a great guy he's 100 percent right but I don't have all the facts. To convict anyone without all the facts is simply to be a lynch mob. I won't do that I want to know all of what happened and why. If the government is dead wrong well then they need to fire the jerks who did it and pay reparations to this man. The story is weak so please lets not try this out in the press till we know what really is going on. I'm not siding with either I wasn't there and in this day and age people lie like dogs their word is not good as gold so lets see how it plays out. People who get on my case for playing cautious or wanting more facts I'm sorry it's how I am. I'd rather get it right the first time then be convict some poor guy or organization who was proven in the end to be right.
  • ★Calliope★ 2012/08/23 00:34:45
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    ★Calliope★
    +5
    This and HATE crimes really piss me off.

    This guy was supposedly taken in because he 'resisted' arrest.
  • holly g... ★Calliope★ 2012/08/23 22:37:23
    holly go lightly
    +4
    yet he was not under arrest ?
  • ★Calliope★ holly g... 2012/08/23 22:40:34
    ★Calliope★
    +3
    exactly!
  • Daniel holly g... 2012/08/24 00:16:26 (edited)
    Daniel
    +3
    Veteran Marine Sergeant Victim Of Pre-Crime Authoritarianism, is FREE! today by court order ! YEAH !!!
    THE CONSTITUTION ROCKS

    Freedom "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

    Freedom • Politics and Government "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

    thomas jefferson government fears people liberty people fear government tyranny
  • Daniel ★Calliope★ 2012/08/24 00:16:18 (edited)
    Daniel
    +3
    Veteran Marine Sergeant Victim Of Pre-Crime Authoritarianism, is FREE! today by court order ! YEAH !!!
    THE CONSTITUTION ROCKS

    Freedom "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

    Freedom • Politics and Government "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

    thomas jefferson government fears people liberty people fear government tyranny
  • Vision of Verve 2012/08/23 00:31:31
  • Daniel Vision ... 2012/08/24 00:16:37 (edited)
    Daniel
    +1
    Veteran Marine Sergeant Victim Of Pre-Crime Authoritarianism, is FREE! today by court order ! YEAH !!!
    THE CONSTITUTION ROCKS

    Freedom "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

    Freedom • Politics and Government "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

    thomas jefferson government fears people liberty people fear government tyranny
  • Kat 2012/08/22 19:16:43
    THIS MAN IS A TRUE PATRIOT AND AMERICAN
    Kat
    +7
    Government is not our friend.
  • holly g... Kat 2012/08/23 22:37:47
    holly go lightly
    +2
    Not at all.
  • Daniel Kat 2012/08/24 00:30:13 (edited)
    Daniel
    +2
    Veteran Marine Sergeant Victim Of Pre-Crime Authoritarianism, is FREE! today by court order ! YEAH !!!
    THE CONSTITUTION ROCKS

    Freedom "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

    Freedom • Politics and Government "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

    thomas jefferson government fears people liberty people fear government tyranny
  • Kat Daniel 2012/08/24 00:31:03
    Kat
    +3
    Glad to hear it thanks for the update Daniel.
  • Daniel Kat 2012/08/24 00:43:23 (edited)
    Daniel
    +2
    thomas jefferson government fears people liberty people fear government tyranny
    Freedom "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."

    Freedom • Politics and Government "President Thomas Jefferson"
    "When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    Communistic / Tyrannical Government in America is a FACT ! WATCH

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?...


  • mrk5panzer 2012/08/22 19:14:20
    THIS MAN IS A TRUE PATRIOT AND AMERICAN
    mrk5panzer
    +5
    Need I say more?
  • Daniel mrk5panzer 2012/08/24 00:16:46
    Daniel
    +2
    Veteran Marine Sergeant Victim Of Pre-Crime Authoritarianism, is FREE! today by court order ! YEAH !!! THE CONSTITUTION ROCKS
  • Dave**Gay for Girls** 2012/08/22 19:09:05
    WHO IS WATCHING THE WATCHERS
    Dave**Gay for Girls**
    +8
    I think some of the FBI and police should be 'not arrested' and hauled away in handcuffs to a mental facility when they pull this type of non-constitutional, illegal kind of action.
  • DeeB 2012/08/22 18:56:33
    THIS MAN IS A TRUE PATRIOT AND AMERICAN
    DeeB
    +8
    If he wasn't being arrested then why was he cuffed????? And who are they to judge by what someone posts that they are crazy? I think they are crazy, does that give me the right to take them away to be mentally evaluated? Matter of fact I think Washington DC is full of insane psychopaths, why aren't they being taken away?
  • ConLibF... DeeB 2012/08/22 19:58:13
    ConLibFraud
    +7
    I ask that all the frigen time! The most insane murderous criminals are in DC!!!
  • Daniel ConLibF... 2012/08/22 20:04:11 (edited)
    Daniel
    +5
    the friggin dept of justice is corrupt, the DNC is corrupt, the GOP is corrupt, and all the 3 and 4 letter agency's take their marching orders from th above mentioned powers to be.
  • ConLibF... Daniel 2012/08/22 20:09:55
    ConLibFraud
    +5
    Big time and the dumbed down sheeple are too blind to see!
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