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USA TODAY: Obama opposes boy scouts ban on gays/homosexuals, their official policy of "excluding gays as members and adult leaders"...... will it be problematic, or a good idea and why or why not?

stevegtexas@aol.com 2012/08/10 14:45:00
i think the same thing, if it hasnt already happened will be like the problems that the catholic church ran into and still has happening with Gay priests, leaders and young men........ guess we will find out if "this movement" has peoples childrens safety in their interest or is it just, "a political strategy?" Obamas whitehouse should maybe consider pursuing its position on other ideas such as missing children and teens across America and put that in the media. Respectfully.
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  • Schläue~© 2012/08/10 15:15:12
    Schläue~©
    +5
    There's no room for openly gay people in an organization like the boy scouts.
    That's why there's also the girl scouts which doesn't allow males to be troop leaders.

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  • Alexander T Steward 2012/08/29 17:38:07
    Alexander T Steward
    I'm guessing this refers to scoutmasters rather than scouts. But in either case, how would you know weather they're gay or not?
  • sjalan 2012/08/13 05:21:25
    sjalan
    It is a continued strategy to impose the beliefs of Christendom upon our entire nation.

    The Fascist Theocracy of Christendom is what they are after.
  • stevegt... sjalan 2012/08/14 14:19:31 (edited)
    stevegtexas@aol.com
    i wonder if Jesus was gay/homosexual? he seemed not not be very inclusive of the women.....12 disciples....no women......never married, never had a girlfriend....kind of suspect?
  • sjalan stevegt... 2012/08/14 15:02:49
    sjalan
    You forget that at that period of time there was a totally different mindset as to the place of women, they were considered chattle and OWNED by their husbands.

    And at the same time it does say the took the company of prostitutes. As well as Mary Magnoline was a constant companion of the entire group. And of course his mother and sisters were along for the ride as well.

    But who knows!
  • boss hawg 2012/08/12 02:09:26
    boss hawg
    this may cost him the election
  • stevegt... boss hawg 2012/08/14 14:20:46
    stevegtexas@aol.com
    i dont know.......i think America wants a KING! do you think democracy is schtill alive and well in the United States, or is the country looking more for a KING?
  • morris44 2012/08/10 17:31:09
    morris44
    Just because one is president does not mean they have to give up their rights of opinion.
  • stevegt... morris44 2012/08/14 14:22:10
    stevegtexas@aol.com
    i understand that......but it just seems "suspect" when the newspaper article says stuff like, "the white house says"........ is that what Obama thinks? or his staff that he hired? Hes the one the people elected, not necessarily his white house staff.....of course, maybe im wrong.
  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/08/10 16:32:38
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    No. Private clubs and organisations have the right to choose who to allow entry or not.
  • stevegt... Anonymo... 2012/08/14 14:22:44 (edited)
    stevegtexas@aol.com
    so like private roads without city or state funding/maintenance can be closed to the publiC?
  • Anonymo... stevegt... 2012/08/18 12:59:27
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    I don't know, can they? Anyway, a private club can refuse entry to anyone for whatever reason. I'd think private roads probably could as well - private roads around where I live are only for residents and no one else is allowed to drive on them unless they have permission.
  • stevegt... Anonymo... 2012/08/18 15:28:33 (edited)
    stevegtexas@aol.com
    yeah, especially dirt roads, or toll roads......cant use them unless you can pay, or have permission if its a "private dirt road". (not maintenanced by the city. or township, etc.).
  • fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust" 2012/08/10 16:25:34
    fuzzy Ken "In G-d We Trust"
    +1
    THIS IS NONE OF OBAMA'S BUSINESS!
    Doesn't he have more important things to attend to?

    Contrary to what some have already posted, the Scout's ban on openly gay leaders is not about safety.
    Most people know that child rapists are predominantly hetero.
    The gay ban is due to religious organizations' belief that homosexuality is deviant and not a good example for children.
    These religious organizations, be they Churches, Synagogues or Mosques are the ones who sponsor troops, giving them a place to meet and store supplies. Pissing them off is not in the best interests of Scouting overall.
  • BrianD3 2012/08/10 16:01:25
    BrianD3
    +2
    we do not need foxes guarding the hen house
  • stevegt... BrianD3 2012/08/14 14:23:49
    stevegtexas@aol.com
    what do you mean by that exactly? i understand the analogy, but not in this context.
  • BrianD3 stevegt... 2012/08/14 15:39:16
    BrianD3
    dont like the idea of homosexual leaders in the Boy Scouts, dont want them spending time alone with the boys where THEY are the ones charged with their safety and such.
  • Eddie_says_OrlyTaitez_is_nutz 2012/08/10 15:48:39
    Eddie_says_OrlyTaitez_is_nutz
    I think at this time, President Obama doesn't need to get involved, other than perhaps just saying the BSA policy is unfair.

    However, excluding gays from scouting isn't a safety issue. Typical these offenders are married with children of their own. The single offenders presume to be "straight". The perpetrators on the kids isn't about orientation, it's a perverse need to satisfy abnormal attraction to children. Most preps are male, however there are adult female perps as well.
  • schjaz 2012/08/10 15:38:35
    schjaz
    +2
    Private organizations can make their own rules. The Boy Scouts have nothing to do with the government and do not accept its funding so the fact that Oblahblah thinks he has a right to tell this organization what it can and cannot or should or should not do is problematic.
    Poking his nose where it doesn't belong. In a perfect world, I would say, yes, allow Gays to join and lead but this is not a perfect world and this could be a perfect breeding grounds for ill behavior and predatory activity.
  • captainquiggle 2012/08/10 15:34:12
    captainquiggle
    +1
    To assume that gays are child molesters is unfounded and showing your ability to express hate speech without batting an eye. How much of an anti-gay bigot can you be before you start for feel ashamed of yourself?
  • schjaz captain... 2012/08/10 15:55:24
    schjaz
    +1
    You don't think predators would be attracted to this?
  • captain... schjaz 2012/08/10 16:11:39
    captainquiggle
    You think all gays are predators?
  • schjaz captain... 2012/08/11 16:48:42
    schjaz
    I never said that. Of course all gays are not predators. I said the Boy Scouts would be an excellant place for predators to be attracted to.
  • captain... schjaz 2012/08/11 18:47:15
    captainquiggle
    But, what does that have to do with gays?
  • schjaz captain... 2012/08/11 20:34:01
    schjaz
    The gay predator would love to be involved in the boy scouts. You want to separate same sex pedophilia from predators? In order to be a scout leader you have to be a male. In order to be in the scouts, you have to be a young male. It is an attraction for predators.
  • Just me... schjaz 2012/08/12 02:33:25
    Just me ∞ijm♥G☮F♀U∞
    +2
    Women can be Boy Scout leaders as long as they go through with the training. We have several women leaders in my son's troop and 2 of them went to summer camp with them this year.
  • schjaz Just me... 2012/08/12 17:48:18
    schjaz
    i didn't know that. i thought it was just cub scouts that had den mothers.
  • captain... schjaz 2012/08/12 03:46:14
    captainquiggle
    I'm still not sure what that has to do with banning gays.
  • schjaz captain... 2012/08/12 17:51:02
    schjaz
    seriously? are you a parent? can you distinguish the predatory gay from the righteous gay to the satisfaction of sending your son off with a guy you don't know? to have him in a position of authority over your child? its a safe step for the children. i am not saying its fair. i am saying this is too serious a situation to take a gamble.
  • captain... schjaz 2012/08/12 20:12:49
    captainquiggle
    So, what you're telling me is that you think that gays are more prone to be child molestors than straight males.

    Why do you think that?
  • schjaz captain... 2012/08/13 16:43:42
    schjaz
    no. i never said gays are more prone to be predators. i said the environment of the boy scouts is a perfect playground for gay predators and thats why it could be more problematic. most straight males involved have their own children but they should all be monitored.
  • captain... schjaz 2012/08/13 19:43:05
    captainquiggle
    If they should all be monitored, why should anyone single out the gays and ban them? That's discriminatory. That's unamerican.
  • schjaz captain... 2012/08/13 19:58:34
    schjaz
    Because they are sexually attracted to males. SEXUALLY attracted to males. Its not discriminatory. Its realistic. I am not putting my pet fox in the henhouse. As wonderful as the fox is, its temptation. I understand there are gays that would be great as leaders but they have no business in this private organization. And the atmosphere fosters comfort for the predators. They are not wanted.
  • captain... schjaz 2012/08/13 20:30:25
    captainquiggle
    They are sexually attracted to adult males.

    Are you sexually attracted to males? Will you start molesting little boys because of that? No.

    So, what you're saying is that you shouldn't be left alone with little boys because you like men.

    I guess that's just you, though. Right?
  • schjaz captain... 2012/08/14 15:44:32
    schjaz
    I see your point. Which, is why I know lots of them would make terrific leaders. My brother and his husband would make fab leaders. His husband is a teacher. He loves kids and he is verry patient. They have a lot to contribute and I trust them completely......but that does not mean that the boy scouts environ isn't a magnet for predators.
    And, if something is misconstrued by a boy, gays would be blamed when they had done nothing wrong.
    No gays in the boy scouts.
  • captain... schjaz 2012/08/14 15:47:38
    captainquiggle
    How about a "it's none of anyone's business" approach to the issue? As I firmly think should be the case.

    It's really nobody's business who does what when in bed, when it comes to being a boy scout leader.

    Nor, should it ever be.
  • schjaz captain... 2012/08/14 17:19:58
    schjaz
    come on...its the parents business...its THEIR JOB to protect their children and not to take chances with their well being.
  • captain... schjaz 2012/08/14 17:27:29
    captainquiggle
    Wait? It's the parents' business to know how their Boy Scout leaders have sex? Why?

    If you think it safe that parents can discriminate against gays with unfounded reasons, I can't agree to that.
  • schjaz captain... 2012/08/15 16:28:43 (edited)
    schjaz
    I never said it was the parents business to know HOW the leaders have sex. But they have a right to know if they are gay.
    Well, maybe you should try to understand where parents are coming from.....they don't know who they are really getting when someone is gay. gay pareade

    They have a right (and duty) to know who is influencing their children behing closed doors. And they must protect their children.
  • captain... schjaz 2012/08/15 16:47:53
    captainquiggle
    Well, if they don't have a right to know how people have sex, why should they have a right to know about gay sex?

    You know that they don't really know who they are getting when their prospects are straight, either. Those two nutjobs that went on a killing spree recently-- were either of them gay?

    I believe the parents do have a right to know who is influencing their children and that right doesn't go into how people have sex. That shouldn't change the discussion on what people have a right to or not.

    I wouldn't have my child taken away from a female camp leader because she wasn't gay anymore than I would remove them from a male leader because he was gay. The idea that I should is based in bigotry and ignorance.
  • schjaz captain... 2012/08/15 20:33:20
    schjaz
    none of what you just said had anything to do with parental responsibility nor predatory gays. gays do not have the right to be scout leaders because it can be problematic. child safety is more important.

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