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U.S.: Should We Nuke The Oil Spill?

News 2010/05/17 22:08:58
Yes, let the military take over and end this oil spill.
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A former nuclear submarine officer and Iraq veteran has suggested that we think in radical terms in ending the massive oil spill in the Gulf coast, including using a nuclear bomb.

But the idea by Christopher Brownfield, who is now a visiting scholar on nuclear policy at Columbia University, is not as far fetched as it sounds. Brownfield says BP is less interested in stopping the leak, but in catching the oil. It's ill-prepared to use major explosives to seal the oil well.

But the military has the tools to seal it. Soviet military used nuclear explosives on four separate occasions, beginning in 1966, to seal off runaway oil and gas wells under water, according to Brownfield. The issue is if Obama would go a route that would alienate many of his supporters on the left.

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  • Crazy Bill 2010/05/19 02:31:27
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    Crazy Bill
    +7
    That video looked like an H-bomb and not a simple fission bomb. A 50 Megaton blast like that would cause a Tsunami that would wipe half of Alabama off the map. A 15 Kiloton fission bomb would leave a lot of radiation. Choose your poison.

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  • Melizmatic KLK 2010/05/18 21:55:19
    Melizmatic
    +1
    Oh, the earth isn't danger at all.
    Just all the lifeforms that exist on it are.
  • hunt16 2010/05/18 16:23:12
    Are you crazy? This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
    hunt16
  • Michael 2010/05/18 16:22:28 (edited)
    Yes, let the military take over and end this oil spill.
    Michael
    +2
    Small nuclear charge can be lowered INTO the well and exploded like a mile BELOW the ocean floor. The explosion will hardly ever reach the ocean water, it will just bury the oil well under a pile of rocks.

    Conventional explosives can achieve the same of course, but you need a lot of explosives to seal the well completely. Nuclear is cheaper and faster. Russia has done it before to stop catastrophic oil leaks.

    Unrelated note:

    Check political donations of BP to Obama and other Democrats. Could it be the explanation why Obama excepted BP from regular inspections in 2009? Could it be the explanation why Obama didn't do anything for 9 days after the catastrophe? Could it be the explanation why Obama still lets BP to handle the problem?
  • riceron... Michael 2010/05/19 03:36:00
  • Michael riceron... 2010/05/19 21:38:43 (edited)
    Michael
    Bush was an oil man, everybody knows that.

    Under Obama administration in 2009, BP got a complete EXCEPTION from any government inspections. Explain that somehow with Bush please.

    Btw, I am not a Republican, so I could care less what Bush did or didn't do. Throw them all out from Washington, DC, both Republicans and Democrats, and I won't cry.

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    Obama biggest recipient of BP cash
  • Freelance Minions 2010/05/18 16:13:48
    Are you crazy? This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
    Freelance Minions
    +4
    And my house has a crack in the ceiling. I was thinking of fixinging it with dynamite.
  • BadDog Freelan... 2010/05/19 17:37:28
    BadDog
    no no no....dynamite is to fix clogged toilets! Mine are clean as a whistle!
  • BornToBeWild 2010/05/18 15:49:32
    Are you crazy? This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
    BornToBeWild
    +6
    Radiation in the waters and ocean breeze is not exactly what I call a cure for BP's neglects and damages! The leaks could be capped and should have been capped just after the devastating explosion in order to keep those leaks in control! BP neglected to do so and prolonged any effort in containing the leaks! We (tax payers) should be taxed to pay for the damages or neglects! BP should be fully responsible for ALL damages, ALL neglects, ALL businesses hurt by their own neglected actions which caused all this! This just goes to show that their has never been any kind of means to handle accidental spills and maybe BP should be shut down period!
  • Michael BornToB... 2010/05/18 16:17:33
    Michael
    +2
    Check political donations of BP to Obama and other Democrats.
  • BornToB... Michael 2010/05/18 17:39:57 (edited)
    BornToBeWild
    +2
    TRUST ME...I already know their ties together! So lets work on cutting the cord!
  • lalouis... Michael 2010/05/18 21:34:00
    lalouisiane
    +1
    BP gave Obama $71,000 dollars.
  • Michael lalouis... 2010/05/18 22:05:55
    Michael
    +2
    Left-wing web site

    http://www.politico.com/news/...

    Obama biggest recipient of BP cash

    While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years.

    BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees — $2.89 million flowed to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals.

    On top of that, the oil giant has spent millions each year on lobbying — including $15.9 million last year alone — as it has tried to influence energy policy.

    During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.

    An Obama spokesman rejected the notion that the president took big oil money.

    “President Obama didn’t accept a dime from corporate PACs or federal lobbyis...



    Left-wing web site

    http://www.politico.com/news/...

    Obama biggest recipient of BP cash

    While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years.

    BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Donations come from a mix of employees and the company’s political action committees — $2.89 million flowed to campaigns from BP-related PACs and about $638,000 came from individuals.

    On top of that, the oil giant has spent millions each year on lobbying — including $15.9 million last year alone — as it has tried to influence energy policy.

    During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records.

    An Obama spokesman rejected the notion that the president took big oil money.

    “President Obama didn’t accept a dime from corporate PACs or federal lobbyists during his presidential campaign,” spokesman Ben LaBolt said. “He raised $750 million from nearly four million Americans. And since he became president, he rolled back tax breaks and giveaways for the oil and gas industry, spearheaded a G20 agreement to phase out fossil fuel subsidies, and made the largest investment in American history in clean energy incentives.”

    In Congress, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), who last week cautioned that the incident should “not be used inappropriately” to halt Obama’s push for expansion of offshore drilling, has been one of the biggest beneficiaries of BP’s largesse. Her comments created some blowback, with critics complaining that she is too blasé about the impact of the disaster, even though she was among the first lawmakers to call for a federal investigation into the spill.

    As the top congressional recipient in the last cycle and one of the top BP cash recipients of the past two decades, Landrieu banked almost $17,000 from the oil giant in 2008 alone and has lined her war chest with more than $28,000 in BP cash overall.
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  • lalouis... Michael 2010/05/19 04:32:48
    lalouisiane
    +1
    Very interesting. Thanks.

    I hope this house of cards falls squarely on Obama's head.
  • mike224 BornToB... 2010/05/19 00:15:20 (edited)
    mike224
    +1
    Just for future reference, nuclear radiation in it of itself does not contaminate water. It's when you take radioactive waste and pour it into water that you have a problem.
  • BornToB... mike224 2010/05/19 16:29:36
    BornToBeWild
    true to a certain extent...it still develops a radiation cloud in the air we breath!
  • mike224 BornToB... 2010/05/21 07:12:55
    mike224
    Now here's a real pickle - if using the nuke will seal the oil spill, we have a choice.

    a) deal with minor radiation poisoning cases for some time, but stop leaking oil everywhere, or...
    b) don't have any radiation cases, and let the oil keep killing everything off.

    Above you go on quite a bit of a tyrade but don't seem to mention anything about how we should handle the spill itself, given sufficient funds and personally responsible persons. If you've got nothing, and explosives will mitigate further damages, why not run with explosives?
  • BornToB... mike224 2010/05/21 07:20:01 (edited)
    BornToBeWild
    The damage is already done and adding radiation poisoning is not the answer! Actually there has been a better way introduced to take care of the oil...its called HAY, yes simple HAY in which has already been proven to work and absorb the oil from the water 100%.
  • mike224 BornToB... 2010/05/21 07:25:10
    mike224
    Hook me up with the people who say we've got enough hay readily available to use right now. I understand the material properties of hay may be suited to the job, but do we a) have enough, and b) will that destabilize any sort of agriculture for any substantial period of time?
  • BornToB... mike224 2010/05/21 20:53:27
    BornToBeWild
    They tested it and the results were amazing which proved that the hay completely absorbed the oil leaving the water more purified. The only question was what to do with the hay, well I think they can collect it up and burn it. With as many farms around that bail up hay for agricultural and farm animal use may find shortages in some areas but it would be worth it to help restore the devastated damages the oil will do to the ocean life and environment. Can't say we have enough hay around but what is used would make a great difference and lower the impact of damages.
    Read these: http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
    http://dailypaul.com/node/134517
  • mike224 BornToB... 2010/05/22 03:27:46
    mike224
    It is interesting about the hay - personally I rather like the idea.
    As for collecting the hay and burning it up - that just continues pollution. You're pretty anti-pollution to be talking about that...

    Also, do you have the latitude and longitude of the spill, and can you use this information to tell me what the cases of radiation poisoning would be like, in the event we used a nuke?
  • BornToB... mike224 2010/05/22 16:34:38
    BornToBeWild
    Effects to humans - http://ezinearticles.com/?Rad...
    The particles contain mostly sea salts with some water; these can have a cloud seeding affect causing local rain out, underwater bursts the visible surge is, in effect, a cloud of liquid (water) droplets with the property of flowing almost as if it were a homogeneous fluid. After the water evaporates, an invisible base surge of small radioactive particles may persist... http://www.globalsecurity.org...
    Effects of Ozone and marine life - http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ozon...
  • mike224 BornToB... 2010/05/23 22:20:43
    mike224
    Of course there is danger and lethality to humans. What I'm asking is if you've identified if the radiation will actually reach the human population, based on where the blast is, the blast radius, and the type of bomb. My grandparents were alive in 1945 and they didn't get radiation poisoning (extreme example to make a point) - so what I'm trying to figure out is whether you've actually looked at that the effects of using nukes in this situation would be, or if you're just afraid of nukes in general and will avoid them even when they're a good call.
  • BornToB... mike224 2010/05/24 19:29:56
    BornToBeWild
    So you want a prediction of what the winds would be like? What will the winds be like in the Gulf 2 weeks from now...do you know? The spill is already on it's way through the JET stream headed to the Key's then it will be along the east coast. I think its already to late to even consider NUKES at this point and time, don't you?
  • AndrewP... BornToB... 2010/05/25 05:57:49
    AndrewPatton
    +1
    99% of the radiation will be gone in two days. Radiation lines are also highly eccentric, meaning the radiation levels diminish rapidly as one travels crosswind. Consider also that radiation can be shielded just by staying indoors, further reducing exposure. Fact is, most of the fallout would be spread out underwater, with only a small fraction getting blown into the air. Fact is fission fragments just don't travel very far in water (or in anything else, for that matter). Most of the water droplets shot up from detonating a bomb on the sea floor would be clean.
  • ☼ Homew... AndrewP... 2010/05/25 12:15:27
    ☼ Homeward Bound ☼
    You must be an Obamanite.
  • BornToB... AndrewP... 2010/05/26 17:32:44
    BornToBeWild
    And the hell with wildlife , plant life or other...I DON'T THINK SO!
  • mike224 BornToB... 2010/06/08 02:28:11
    mike224
    i really don't think you understand how much nukes are going to damage wildlife. that is to say, not very much at all. negligibly compared to how much more oil is going to come out of that thing.

    you need to learn science.
  • BornToB... mike224 2010/06/08 02:57:11 (edited)
    BornToBeWild
    wildlife??? not till it hits land so what about the marine life! You going to warn the marine life something like that is coming? HOW? Oh that's right, expendable! Besides, if they were going to do that then they would have already done it! The problem is they don't want to stop the drilling or loose the drilling rights there by stopping the oil leak! They stop it then they will loose their drilling rights there.
  • mike224 BornToB... 2010/06/08 20:28:43
    mike224
    The amount the marine life will suffer is known due to a nuke, and it's not as much as you make it out to be. If we just keep sitting around, the oil will keep leaking, and more marine life will be hurt than if we had just nuked it in the first place.

    It's called pragmatism. Mitigation of losses. Sometimes reality sucks and we have to deal with it. Hippies don't get anything done.
  • BornToB... mike224 2010/06/08 20:57:19
    BornToBeWild
    Like I said, if they were serious about it then they would have already done it!
  • mike224 BornToB... 2010/06/09 07:37:09
    mike224
    yes, but the fact of the matter is that you still seem to think it's the worst option. *sigh. hippies.
  • BornToB... mike224 2010/06/11 19:43:38
    BornToBeWild
    LOL...your must be joking or just stuck on the hippie thing for excuses! Do you really think blasting a bigger hole on the bottom of the ocean floor would stop it. Do you by chance know anything about the earths core and how it works along with its rotation, the cycle for which WE even revolve?
  • mike224 BornToB... 2010/06/12 02:48:16
    mike224
    Glad to know you think that a nuclear warhead can even come close to affecting the core of the earth in a way we'd notice. You're either incredibly ignorant, or a troll. I can't decide which.
  • ☼ Homeward Bound ☼ 2010/05/18 15:37:55 (edited)
    I think ...
    ☼ Homeward Bound ☼
    +1
    They couldn't POSSIBLY screw that one up.

    Revelation 16:3
    The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead man, and every living thing in the sea died.

    Revelation 8:8
    8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
    sea turned blood 9a living creatures sea died ships destroyed
  • BenSprouse ☼ Homew... 2010/05/18 18:01:48
    BenSprouse
    +4
    Great another religious whack job...
  • ☼ Homew... BenSprouse 2010/05/18 18:35:03
    ☼ Homeward Bound ☼
    +1
    And proud of it too. :) Have a lovely day won't you?
  • lalouis... BenSprouse 2010/05/18 21:39:28
    lalouisiane
    +1
    The Destruction of Sennacherib

    The Assyrian came down like the wolf on the fold,
    And his cohorts were gleaming in purple and gold;
    And the sheen of their spears was like stars on the sea,
    When the blue wave rolls nightly on deep Galilee.

    Like the leaves of the forest when Summer is green,
    That host with their banners at sunset were seen:
    Like the leaves of the forest when Autumn hath blown,
    That host on the morrow lay withered and strown.

    For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
    And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
    And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
    And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

    And there lay the steed with his nostril all wide,
    But through it there rolled not the breath of his pride;
    And the foam of his gasping lay white on the turf,
    And cold as the spray of the rock-beating surf.

    And there lay the rider distorted and pale,
    With the dew on his brow, and the rust on his mail:
    And the tents were all silent, the banners alone,
    The lances unlifted, the trumpet unblown.

    And the widows of Ashur are loud in their wail,
    And the idols are broke in the temple of Baal;
    And the might of the Gentile, unsmote by the sword,
    Hath melted like snow in the glance of the Lord!

    by Lord Byron

    Yeah.. that's the God I serve. I am not ashamed.
  • TheNigh... lalouis... 2010/05/19 00:18:14
    TheNightFly
    I read this so many times but but I totally can't make sense of it. Just bits a pieces of death, agony and a murdering God. Whatever turns you on.
  • lalouis... TheNigh... 2010/05/19 04:35:05
    lalouisiane
    +1
    It's sad that that is what you see.

    Read the actual story in the Bible, do some research. Maybe that will help you.
  • TheNigh... lalouis... 2010/05/19 14:56:32
    TheNightFly
    It's only sad that you can only give insults instead of explanations. That means you aren't trying to be reasonable.

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